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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 Ahtman wrote:
Brian France, the racing association's CEO, appeared Monday alongside Drumpf during a rally at Valdosta State University, touting the Republican front-runner's success in his business and personal life.


What is this I don't even.

Depends what qualifies as "success".

He's got money... he's got mucho arse... gotta give him that at least.



You apparently forgot: He's got a daughter that, if she wasn't his daughter, he'd want to bang


Someone told me that. As a Dad, thats really, really ed up.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Super Tuesday seems to be all over the UK press for some strange reason. Was our application to be the 51st state accepted?

The fate of the free world hangs in the balance, we look to America to lead the way, and what do we get....

Clinton and Trump

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 Frazzled wrote:

Someone told me that. As a Dad, thats really, really ed up.


As a Dad myself, I completely agree....


But if you search, probably youtube or somewhere, you can hear it straight from his fake tan orangutan haired self.
   
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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:

Someone told me that. As a Dad, thats really, really ed up.


As a Dad myself, I completely agree....


But if you search, probably youtube or somewhere, you can hear it straight from his fake tan orangutan haired self.


Whoa. That's pretty harsh, man.

Orangutans are peaceful, shy, and book-loving. Let's not do them a disservice by comparing them to Trump.
   
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 Spinner wrote:
 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:

Someone told me that. As a Dad, thats really, really ed up.


As a Dad myself, I completely agree....


But if you search, probably youtube or somewhere, you can hear it straight from his fake tan orangutan haired self.


Whoa. That's pretty harsh, man.

Orangutans are peaceful, shy, and book-loving. Let's not do them a disservice by comparing them to Trump.


Well, they are peace loving, until they get on the quest for "man's red flower"
   
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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
 Spinner wrote:
 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:

Someone told me that. As a Dad, thats really, really ed up.


As a Dad myself, I completely agree....


But if you search, probably youtube or somewhere, you can hear it straight from his fake tan orangutan haired self.


Whoa. That's pretty harsh, man.

Orangutans are peaceful, shy, and book-loving. Let's not do them a disservice by comparing them to Trump.


Well, they are peace loving, until they get on the quest for "man's red flower"


Or someone uses the m-word. But I think we can all agree that these are justified circumstances, right? Occasionally accompanied by a brief musical number, too...
   
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As long as it's a jazzy musical number, yes
   
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Everett, WA

Okay. The voice we've all been waiting for - Louis Farrakhan - has spoken about Trump.

Louis Farrakhan praises Donald Trump

Praise for what, you ask? Well, I'll let you guys read the article if you want. It's really not worth posting here as it's as racist as you probably imagine it would be, given the clowns involved.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/louis-farrakhan-donald-trump-220021

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I went to my primary voting station that I went to for the last several elections and no one was there! Then I remembered that my state switched from a primary to just a caucus. Therefore, I have to go later.

Why would you switch from a cool primary to a lame, limp-wristed caucus?


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 Easy E wrote:
I went to my primary voting station that I went to for the last several elections and no one was there! Then I remembered that my state switched from a primary to just a caucus. Therefore, I have to go later.

Why would you switch from a cool primary to a lame, limp-wristed caucus?


The caucus system really does blow.... but, hey, the State's party can do whatever they want.

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I am a student of American history, and I follow American politics quite a lot, but things like primary, caucas, and gubernational?

still stump me

Don't you guys still yearn for the simplicity of the parliamentary system you used to have?

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I am a student of American history, and I follow American politics quite a lot, but things like primary, caucas, and gubernational?

still stump me

Primary vs Caucus.

"gubernational" are for State's Governors (ie, the "President" of their respective state).

Don't you guys still yearn for the simplicity of the parliamentary system you used to have?

No. It's our mess to wallow in...

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 whembly wrote:
 Easy E wrote:
I went to my primary voting station that I went to for the last several elections and no one was there! Then I remembered that my state switched from a primary to just a caucus. Therefore, I have to go later.

Why would you switch from a cool primary to a lame, limp-wristed caucus?


The caucus system really does blow.... but, hey, the State's party can do whatever they want.


Texas does a roundup. You just herd your cattle into the pen and they count brands.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Don't you guys still yearn for the simplicity of the parliamentary system you used to have?

Not really. The election cycle may be a circus but our Republic is a very stable model of government. I don't believe in no confidence votes as they're little more than your political enemies ganging up on you. I'm also not fond of the idea of minority parties being spoilers in forming/breaking up ruling coalitions.


 
   
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So... I've been reading tweets all day, and of course most of the discourse is over Trump.

Many NY/NJ'er really don't believe Trump is racist, but man... his campaign isn't acting like it.

I wonder if it has to do with the fact that Trump & Campaign strategists has a NY liberal's view of what the Republican party is made of... and in the South, they think it’s made up of a bunch of racists. It’s all part of a grand strategy, that they'd believe, of appealing to Southern white racists. I don’t believe there are as many of them as Trump & Co. evidently believes.

Hence, he'd be brutalized by whomever the Democrat nominee.

<---this guy is praying for brokered convention to nominate Rubio.

However, if Trump's unbelievably wins the Presidency... at least his wife seems really classy:


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 Breotan wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Don't you guys still yearn for the simplicity of the parliamentary system you used to have?

Not really. The election cycle may be a circus but our Republic is a very stable model of government. I don't believe in no confidence votes as they're little more than your political enemies ganging up on you. I'm also not fond of the idea of minority parties being spoilers in forming/breaking up ruling coalitions.



We've only had one vote of no confidence in 80 years. The flip side of the parliamentary system is that it allows a thumping majority to get things down i.e legislation goes through the house pretty quickly, unlike some of the deadlock that has crippled the US government over the years.

I suppose both systems have their pros and cons.


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 whembly wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I am a student of American history, and I follow American politics quite a lot, but things like primary, caucas, and gubernational?

still stump me

Primary vs Caucus.

"gubernational" are for State's Governors (ie, the "President" of their respective state).

Don't you guys still yearn for the simplicity of the parliamentary system you used to have?

No. It's our mess to wallow in...


Thanks, whembley

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I usually read Slate for the lulz...

But, this was pretty spot on...

To save itself, the Republican Party must finally put the working class ahead of the donor class.

Donald J. Trump is laying waste to the conservative movement. His overwhelming lead in Super Tuesday polls stands as further evidence, if further evidence were even necessary, that his appeal among Republicans is deep and durable, even as his campaign makes a mockery of conservative ideals. While conservatives have traditionally emphasized the central importance of limited government, Trump has built his campaign around the promise of an unlimited government that will solve every problem that ails America, provided it is fully under his command.

To many on the right, Trump’s enormous popularity seems particularly galling in light of the failures this election cycle of one conservative true believer after another. No candidate was more ideologically orthodox than Bobby Jindal, the government-slashing, hard-right governor of Louisiana, yet Trump ridiculed his campaign out of existence. Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker defeated powerful public-sector unions in a state that had long been a citadel of progressivism, and he too exited the race, as Trump stole his populist thunder. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio were both backed by Tea Party activists in their respective Senate campaigns, and both have made their mark by singing from the Reaganite hymnal. Now both are being bested by a man who praises Planned Parenthood, has warm words for socialized medicine, and seems almost Bernie Sanders–esque in his delight at the prospect of waging class warfare.

Though the rise of Trump has taken almost everyone by surprise, we really should have seen it coming. America has been long overdue for something like Trumpism. In the years since the financial crisis, populist insurgencies have devastated mainstream parties of the center right and center left in virtually every market democracy. Barack Obama’s rhetorical gifts mask the many ways in which he is a deeply conventional political figure, a man who trusts the wisdom of technocrats rather than seeking to overturn the established order. One could argue that the Obama presidency rescued America’s upper classes from a more ferocious post-crisis backlash, at least for a time. The twin insurgencies of Trump and Sanders demonstrate that the anger is still there—that it was just waiting for the right person to conjure it up. What separates the two politicians is that Sanders is in tune with the ideological orthodoxies of the left while Trump has no regard for those of the right. This iconoclasm is one of the sources of his power.

More than anything else, Trump has demonstrated that white working-class voters have minds of their own. They will not simply line up behind the candidates selected for them by hedge-funders and industrialists during the “invisible primary.” If we define working-class voters as those without a college degree, Ronald Brownstein of the Atlantic estimates that this bloc represents 53 percent of Republicans, split almost evenly between those who are conservative Christians and those who are not. The Pew Research Center reports that in 2012, 53 percent of Republicans were part of families that earned less than $75,000 a year. These groups, which tend to overlap, are Donald Trump’s base. Ever since the Nixon era, Republicans have relied on the white working class to achieve political victories. Now, it has revolted against the GOP elite.

Why wouldn’t they be furious? The Republican failure to defend the interests of working-class voters, and to speak to their hopes and fears, has made Trump’s authoritarianism dangerously alluring. Trump recognized that elite Republicans—a group rooted in affluent coastal metropolises and dominated by members of the credentialed upper middle class, which has shielded itself from the social and economic devastation that has wreaked such havoc in less-privileged corners of the country—often fall prey to wishful thinking about the rank-and-file voters who actually elect GOP candidates. They imagine that working- and middle-class conservatives are passionately devoted to the things they care about—tax cuts and entitlement reform—when these voters are far more passionate about other issues: economic nationalism, limits on less-skilled immigration, and minimum-wage hikes.

Having recognized this chasm separating the Republican donor class from the grassroots, Trump has exploited it brilliantly. He has defended entitlement programs, and he has bashed bankers. He has defied the elite consensus on trade and immigration. He is channeling the Republican id, and in doing so he may have already dashed conservative hopes of winning the White House. Why can’t his GOP opponents convince Republican voters that they would do a far better job than Trump of defending middle-class economic interests? The answer is that they are trapped by the delusions of the donor class, and they can’t break free.

In the coming weeks and months, old-school conservatives will do everything they can to defeat a man they consider a charlatan and provocateur. Alexander Burns, Maggie Haberman, and Jonathan Martin of the New York Times report that leading GOP donors and congressional bigwigs are mounting a desperate rearguard action to do just that. But whether or not they succeed, the GOP establishment must acknowledge that the Trump campaign has surfaced important and uncomfortable truths. Those truths can no longer be evaded.

If the Republican Party is to have a future, it must learn from Trump’s rise. By launching a frontal attack on movement conservatism, Trump has demonstrated its weakness and the failure of its stale policy agenda to resonate with voters. In doing so, he is giving conservatives a once-in-a-generation opportunity to change direction.

There is only one way forward in the post-Trump era. The GOP can no longer survive as the party of tax cuts for the rich. It must reinvent itself as the champion of America’s working- and middle-class families. In every campaign, Democrats and Republicans talk about getting the working class and the middle class back on their feet. Those are almost always empty words. The GOP must now become a genuinely populist party, putting the concerns of voters ahead of those of donors. The alternative will be a decade or more of marginalization and defeat, during which the left will have free rein.

Following this path will be uncomfortable for a Republican elite that has grown accustomed to getting its way, and to selling an agenda that’s best suited to the interests of the already well-to-do as an agenda for America. While tossing aside long-held orthodoxies will be difficult, it is absolutely necessary. By embracing populism, this new GOP will have the potential both to speak to Trump’s voters and to grow the party’s base, uniting voters across lines of race, class, and region.

What might a more populist GOP agenda look like? Here is a brief sketch of how the party can change course.

A Pay-Your-Own-Way Immigration Policy

No issue better illustrates the divide between elite Republicans and the party’s base. One recent survey found that a large majority (67 percent) of Republicans favor decreasing immigration levels while only 7 percent of them favor an increase. Nevertheless, leading Republicans, including Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush, have backed proposals that would greatly increase immigration levels in defiance of the Republican grassroots. Trump, meanwhile, has used incendiary language to electrify Republicans who oppose immigration.

What accounts for this divide between the policies prominent Republicans have backed and those favored by rank-and-file GOP voters? For high-income Republicans, skilled immigrants are their colleagues, neighbors, and friends, and less-skilled immigrants provide them with the low-cost child care, restaurant meals, and other services that allow them to lead comfortable lives. These affluent conservatives thus take a more relaxed approach to immigration, which is reflected in the immigration reform proposals they’ve advanced. Less-affluent conservatives, meanwhile, are far more likely to see immigrants as either competitors for scarce public resources or as a burden on hard-pressed taxpayers.

To unite the right, the GOP ought to embrace a simple immigration reform principle: The U.S. will only welcome immigrants who can pay their own way. Immigrants who earn high wages are less likely to need public assistance than those who earn low wages. They are in a better position to provide for their families, and their children are more likely to flourish as adults. Republicans should not shrink from advocating immigration policies that protect the interests of American workers. That means welcoming immigrants who are economically self-sufficient and who can help finance social programs for poor Americans—whether native- or foreign-born, of every racial and ethnic group—rather than relying on those social programs themselves.

Eat China’s Lunch

On more than one occasion, Donald Trump has said that “China’s just eating our lunch,” and that we ought to retaliate. He’s not wrong.

It really is true that Chinese import competition has had a powerfully negative impact on America’s Rust Belt, and that China shields its domestic market from competition while encouraging intellectual property theft on a grand scale. Yet it’s also true that China is experiencing a wave of deindustrialization not unlike what already took place in the U.S., as many of its labor-intensive manufacturers embrace labor-saving technologies. Moreover, the Chinese economy is entering a rocky period, as growth slows and domestic unrest rises. Now might be the perfect time for the U.S. to rethink its relationship with China, and its approach to global economic integration more broadly.

As automation accelerates, labor costs will be of decreasing importance for manufacturers. This could lead to more “insourcing,” or a return of manufacturing jobs to U.S. shores. But even if the U.S. attracts new manufacturing facilities in large numbers, the number of manufacturing jobs created will likely be modest, as these new facilities will make far greater use of machines than factories of the past. Nevertheless, insourcing of this kind would be an economic boon. Republicans ought to offer a comprehensive agenda for making the U.S. more attractive to manufacturers, through corporate tax reform but also through a renewed commitment to investing in infrastructure—in other words, an economic nationalism rooted in substance, not shopworn nostalgia.

More broadly, Republicans ought to put forward specific policy proposals to improve the lives of workers who lose their jobs to outsourcing or automation. One promising idea is a wage insurance program that provides workers with a strong incentive for rapid re-employment. As Lael Brainard, Robert Litan, and Nicholas Warren proposed in 2005, workers who lose their jobs and then find lower-wage work would receive an insurance payout that would cover up to 50 percent of the earnings gap, up to $10,000 a year for no more than two years.

This is exactly the kind of social program that elite Republicans tend to oppose. But a GOP more attuned to the interests of its working-class base must think differently, particularly if the alternative is subjecting American workers to long-term unemployment and all the suffering that comes with it.

Defend the Safety Net

One of the hallmarks of the Trump campaign has been his support for Social Security and Medicare, and his insistence that he would protect these programs from budget cuts. To many conservatives, Trump’s defense of these old-age entitlements is his greatest heresy. What they fail to understand is that conservative voters are very fond of these programs, and their fondness can’t be chalked up to simple hypocrisy.

We saw this dynamic at play during the early days of the Tea Party, the last time elite Republicans faced a serious populist challenge. Many conservative intellectuals viewed the Tea Party movement as the realization of their fondest wishes: a grassroots rebellion demanding fiscal austerity. In fact, as Emily Ekins of the Cato Institute has observed, Tea Party members were chiefly motivated by a theory of economic fairness. They believed, in Ekins’ words, that “everyone should be rewarded in strict proportion to their achievements and failings and that government should not shield people from the consequences of their decisions.” This is why Tea Party conservatives are more favorably disposed toward programs like Social Security and Medicare—to which workers contribute over a lifetime in exchange for benefits when they need them—than they are to programs that lack this contributory element.

Republicans ought to reform old-age entitlements to make them sustainable over the long haul. But in doing so, they must ensure that these programs perform their core functions better than they do today, particularly for the poorest and most vulnerable seniors. To improve Social Security, Republicans might back a package of reforms that would encourage older Americans to work by slashing or eliminating their property taxes and that would ensure that all seniors receive a benefit that would keep them from falling into poverty, which is not currently the case. On Medicare, they could improve the quality of care for seniors while lowering costs by defaulting seniors into Medicare Advantage, a program that allows beneficiaries to access high-quality private insurance coverage.

More controversially, Republicans should follow Trump’s lead and accept that some of the core aspects of Obamacare are here to stay. Trump often seems confused when questioned about health policy, but he does intuitively understand that Americans hate the idea that people with pre-existing medical conditions might be denied care. The best way forward for the right would be to call an Obamacare truce: accept that the exchanges are here to stay, as they’re a guarantee that people with pre-existing conditions will always have access to health insurance they can afford. The GOP should instead focus on reforming Obamacare so that people would have the option to buy lightly regulated plans with their own money. This wouldn’t be as satisfying for Republicans as repealing Obamacare root and branch, but it’s a far more realistic approach that might win over at least some Democrats and independents. And it would demonstrate that all Republicans, like Trump, “won’t let people die in the streets”—a commitment that doesn’t always come across.

Respect, Not Compassion

Republican anti-poverty rhetoric often reeks of condescension. When George W. Bush spoke of compassion for the downtrodden, it was very clear that he meant well. It’s equally clear, though, that for most poor Americans, a hand up is vastly preferable to a shoulder to cry on.

Encouragingly, a number of conservative reformers have proposed using the tax code to help low-income families. Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush, among others, have called for increases in wage subsidies, and their proposals have much to recommend them. One serious challenge, however, is that sliding-scale wage subsidies help workers as they climb the bottom rungs of the job ladder, but they can also discourage them from earning more as they gain experience, because the subsidies taper off as workers earn more income. The Bipartisan Policy Center has proposed solving this problem by replacing the current earned income tax credit with a refundable earnings credit equal to 17.5 percent of the first $20,000 in earnings that would apply to each worker, with or without children. This would make life for low-wage workers much easier, not least by lowering the cost of tax preparation, a huge burden for poor families. Better still, it would remove the disincentive to earn more money.

Republicans should go further and back a more generous refundable per child tax credit. Such a credit would help equalize the tax benefits received by low-income parents and their better-off counterparts, who benefit more from other provisions of the tax code. Conservatives might fear that a program that gives poor parents money with no strings attached will discourage them from working. This is a legitimate concern, but the experience of other market democracies suggests that it is overblown. Indeed, there is some evidence to suggest that a well-designed child credit can lead to increased work hours. Keep in mind that many low-income families with children already receive substantial assistance in the form of food stamps and other benefits. By replacing much of this in-kind assistance with cash, Republicans would give poor parents greater flexibility, and they’d also treat them with greater respect.

No New Tax Cuts for the Rich

If Republicans are to win the trust of working- and middle-class voters who’ve grown deeply skeptical of their economic nostrums, they will have to do something dramatic: It’s time for the GOP to abandon its near-obsessive devotion to tax cuts that disproportionately benefit upper-income households.

Virtually every GOP candidate, Trump included, has offered a tax reform proposal that would slash taxes on America’s richest people. But according to a survey conducted last fall, almost one-third of Republicans (31 percent) would be more likely to support a candidate who favored raising taxes on wealthy Americans compared with one-third (34 percent) who’d be less likely to vote for such a candidate and another one-third (34 percent) who were indifferent. Given these numbers, you’d expect that one or two GOP presidential candidates might run on cutting taxes on the rich while one or two others might call for hiking them. Instead, we see elected Republicans march in lockstep on taxes, as though their voters did the same.

The GOP elite has also yet to grasp that most voters simply don’t care as much about taxes as they did in the Reagan era. Megan McArdle of Bloomberg View has observed that the tax burden on middle-income households has declined since the Reagan presidency. The predictable result is that support for cuts in federal taxes has fallen substantially, and the share of voters who consider their federal tax burden their top priority is a mere 1 percent.

To break out of their tax trap, Republicans ought to embrace a very simple strategy. The GOP should continue to back tax cuts for the middle class, and in particular for middle-class parents. But until the country sees large and sustained budget surpluses, there should be no tax cuts for households earning $250,000 or more.

While there are growth-friendly tax reforms that would preserve or even increase the progressivity of the current tax code, this proposal will still be difficult for supply-siders to bear. And that’s to the good. For too long, Republican have been excessively beholden to voters at the top of the income spectrum, and swearing off tax cuts for the rich would be an excellent way to prove that they’ve turned over a new leaf.

I’m under no illusion that Republicans will embrace this agenda tout court, and there’s no question that some of these ideas are more far-fetched than others. This proposal also isn’t comprehensive: I haven’t touched on same-sex marriage or abortion or foreign and defense policy. The point of this exercise is not to dictate exactly where GOP policymakers should go. Rather, it is to demonstrate that the GOP can speak to the interests of working- and middle-class Americans while maintaining conservative principles.

Conservative reformers of earlier eras recognized that to protect and defend capitalism, they needed to ensure that everyone could share in the wealth it creates. This was true of Theodore Roosevelt in the progressive era, and it was true of Ronald Reagan, who broke with his free-trade convictions to protect vulnerable American industries and backed tax reforms that closed loopholes used only by the richest of the rich. Reagan was a conservative true believer, but he also recognized that rapid economic change could cause chaos and dislocation, and that government had a role to play in smoothing out its rough edges.

What defenders of the Republican status quo fail to realize is that unless the party speaks to the interests of working-class voters, they won’t just face slightly higher capital gains taxes or more wasteful spending under a Hillary Clinton administration. They will face a backlash from within that threatens to profoundly damage a party that, at its best, is a champion of the core social and economic institutions that made America great in the first place.

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 whembly wrote:
I usually read Slate for the lulz...
Well, that's a shame because The Bad Astronomer and Dear Prudence are both awesome. There is definitely lots of Democrat/liberal derp going on, but luckily they have a couple writers that can put out bias-free work. Also, their movie reviewer sucks ass.

Despite what you have continually accused me of, Slate is the only left-leaving news source I regularly read, despite the fact that I disagree with a lot of what they put out.


Back to the article, the first paragraph is the most telling: Trump supporters, whether they're disenfranchised Republicans or Democrats, want an authoritarian president. That is absolutely frightening.

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Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!

Indeed Scooty... Indeed.

Luckily... if Trump's the nominee, we can rest soundly that Clinton will win the General.

Which one do we want? A President with extreme authoritarian tendencies? Or a President corrupt in every way imaginable?

All I know... is that my ass is getting drunk on November 8, 2016.

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So suddenly, according to the republicans, Obama hasn't been enough of a dictator?


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 whembly wrote:
Indeed Scooty... Indeed.

Luckily... if Trump's the nominee, we can rest soundly that Clinton will win the General.

Which one do we want? A President with extreme authoritarian tendencies? Or a President corrupt in every way imaginable?

All I know... is that my ass is getting drunk on November 8, 2016.


remember all the times that you were cheering for exactly this style of politics? All the times you were delighted in "feth your way, there is no negotiating, I will shut down everything you love if I don't get my way" approaches of governing our country?

This is the end result of that.

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Automatically Appended Next Post:
 whembly wrote:
Indeed Scooty... Indeed.

Luckily... if Trump's the nominee, we can rest soundly that Clinton will win the General.

Which one do we want? A President with extreme authoritarian tendencies? Or a President corrupt in every way imaginable?

All I know... is that my ass is getting drunk on November 8, 2016.


remember all the times that you were cheering for exactly this style of politics? All the times you were delighted in "feth your way, there is no negotiating, I will shut down everything you love if I don't get my way" approaches of governing our country?

This is the end result of that.

I guess you didn't read that Slate article.

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Trump being his insulting self... insults Nikki Haley again.

Her response?
@realDonaldTrump, Bless your heart.

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I heard Cruz on the radio signaling that if Drumpf wins Texas, he's gonna drop out.

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 jasper76 wrote:
I heard Cruz on the radio signaling that if Drumpf wins Texas, he's gonna drop out.


Really??!?!



What station?

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It was on NPR, WAMU.

I'm paraphrasing, but he said "There is no doubt that a candidate who cannot win his home state is in serious trouble."

So I take that to either be a ploy to get more Texans out to vote, a suggestion that tonight's Texas result is make or break, or both. Or maybe I'm reading too much into the statement. Having a hard time finding it online for context.

Here we go:

"Texas, which the Cruz campaign considers the "crown jewel," is a must-win for the senator who acknowledged Tuesday that, "there is no doubt that any candidate who cannot win his home state has real problems." A day earlier, Cruz qualified his statement, saying he wasn't likely to win over 50 percent of the vote in his home state. That 50 percent is the threshold necessary to take home all of Texas's 155 Republican delegates."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ted-cruz-super-tuesday-is-best-opportunity-to-beat-donald-trump/

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I would be amazed if Trump somehow beats Cruz in Texas. Cruz knows how to run and has a solid ground game (about the only thing he really knows, IMHO. If Trump does somehow win Texas, everybody else might as well drop now as nobody else has a shot of winning their home state and it suggests Trump really has somehow got the Republican primary voters to commit suicide.

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I would be amazed if Drumpf won a single state in the Republican primary, yet here we are. He's only down 9 points in Texas in the aggregate polls, so I don't think it's out of the question.
   
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 whembly wrote:
Indeed Scooty... Indeed.

Luckily... if Trump's the nominee, we can rest soundly that Clinton will win the General.

Which one do we want? A President with extreme authoritarian tendencies? Or a President corrupt in every way imaginable?


Remind me again, which one's which?

 jasper76 wrote:
It was on NPR, WAMU.

I'm paraphrasing, but he said "There is no doubt that a candidate who cannot win his home state is in serious trouble."

So I take that to either be a ploy to get more Texans out to vote, a suggestion that tonight's Texas result is make or break, or both. Or maybe I'm reading too much into the statement. Having a hard time finding it online for context.

Here we go:

"Texas, which the Cruz campaign considers the "crown jewel," is a must-win for the senator who acknowledged Tuesday that, "there is no doubt that any candidate who cannot win his home state has real problems." A day earlier, Cruz qualified his statement, saying he wasn't likely to win over 50 percent of the vote in his home state. That 50 percent is the threshold necessary to take home all of Texas's 155 Republican delegates."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ted-cruz-super-tuesday-is-best-opportunity-to-beat-donald-trump/


Cruz's game has stumbled a bit when it comes to Texas. He let Trump go for too long (on the assumption Trump would fizzle and drop out and Cruz would hoover up his supporters), and then Cruz has been taking Texas for granted, too, and that could cost him.

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I just don't understand my fellow right of center voters in the US. They have to know they're cutting off the nose to spite the face.

All this talk of Trump winning is making me a sad panda.

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