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 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

GOP leadership is the blame by ignoring the conservatives/tea party movement. They're paying the piper now...

You forgot to mention the part where they created the Tea Party movement first, then ignored them. Their rhetoric about all govt. being evil, all govt. spending being evil (while at the same time increasing spending), death panels, etc. all helped to give rise to the movement while at the same time never believing it themselves. Trump really is a monster, but don't ignore the doctor that created it and then turned away after being terrified at the ugliness of it.

 jasper76 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

It's all about freedom of religion polonius... not, freedom from religion.

You better believe that implicit in 'freedom of religion' is the freedom from compulsion to adhere to any religion. Otherwise, it's a meaningless phrase.

Yep, it's not just that the government is not allowed to stop you from practicing your religion (with the basic restrictions all our rights have ), butthat the government can also not establish religion.

 whembly wrote:
Oh... heyo!

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/ted-cruz-trump-sniveling-coward-n545026

"It's not easy to tick me off. I don't get angry often," Cruz told reporters while campaigning in Wisconsin. "But you mess with my wife, you mess with my kids, that'll do it every time. Donald you are a sniveling coward and leave Heidi the hell alone."

I'm liking *this* Ted Cruz...

Is this the same Ted Cruz who said we need to let our police occupy Muslim neighborhoods to keep them from radicalizing?

Oh it is! http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ted-cruz-defends-police-us-muslim-neighborhoods/

I guess he is trying to woo voters away from Trump.

Cruz is scarier than Trump.

The only thing worse than a stupid donkey-cave is a clever one.

 shasolenzabi wrote:
Cruz is scarier than Trump.

In my honest opinion, picking between Trump and Cruz would be like picking between delusions of grandeur and delusions of persecution. I don't know which one I think would do more damage to the country, and because my state doesn't have open GOP primaries, I don't have a vote on the issue anyways.

 whembly wrote:
Oh... heyo!

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/ted-cruz-trump-sniveling-coward-n545026

"It's not easy to tick me off. I don't get angry often," Cruz told reporters while campaigning in Wisconsin. "But you mess with my wife, you mess with my kids, that'll do it every time. Donald you are a sniveling coward and leave Heidi the hell alone."

I'm liking *this* Ted Cruz...

The Ted Cruz that has fully embraced the Republican Primary becoming Wrestlemania?

 jasper76 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

It's all about freedom of religion polonius... not, freedom from religion.

You better believe that implicit in 'freedom of religion' is the freedom from compulsion to adhere to any religion. Otherwise, it's a meaningless phrase.

What was it that Cruz was arguing before the Supreme Court that compelled anyone?


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 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

It's all about freedom of religion polonius... not, freedom from religion.

You better believe that implicit in 'freedom of religion' is the freedom from compulsion to adhere to any religion. Otherwise, it's a meaningless phrase.

Yep, it's not just that the government is not allowed to stop you from practicing your religion (with the basic restrictions all our rights have ), butthat the government can also not establish religion.

None of which were the cases that Cruz argued before the Supreme Court.


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 Easy E wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Oh... heyo!

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/ted-cruz-trump-sniveling-coward-n545026

"It's not easy to tick me off. I don't get angry often," Cruz told reporters while campaigning in Wisconsin. "But you mess with my wife, you mess with my kids, that'll do it every time. Donald you are a sniveling coward and leave Heidi the hell alone."

I'm liking *this* Ted Cruz...

Is this the same Ted Cruz who said we need to let our police occupy Muslim neighborhoods to keep them from radicalizing?

Oh it is! http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ted-cruz-defends-police-us-muslim-neighborhoods/

I guess he is trying to woo voters away from Trump.

Um... he's not advocating the police to occupy Muslim neighborhoods.

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 plastictrees wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Oh... heyo!

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/ted-cruz-trump-sniveling-coward-n545026

"It's not easy to tick me off. I don't get angry often," Cruz told reporters while campaigning in Wisconsin. "But you mess with my wife, you mess with my kids, that'll do it every time. Donald you are a sniveling coward and leave Heidi the hell alone."

I'm liking *this* Ted Cruz...

The Ted Cruz that has fully embraced the Republican Primary becoming Wrestlemania?

It appears so. It's gutter politics... but, in the case I don't blame Cruz for feeling like he needs to defend his wife.

It's a quick simple test really. Ask people if we should put "Allahu Akbar" on all money printed in 2017 and you will have an answer to the question about Cruz's stance on religion and the constitution.

I blame him for making his defense sound like Trump might be about to appear and hit him with a chair.
I think it's an off-key response honestly. His voters aren't the people lapping up this sort of bluster, those are all Trumpeters.

 d-usa wrote:
It's a quick simple test really. Ask people if we should put "Allahu Akbar" on all money printed in 2017 and you will have an answer to the question about Cruz's stance on religion and the constitution.

Sure... ask away.

 whembly wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
It's a quick simple test really. Ask people if we should put "Allahu Akbar" on all money printed in 2017 and you will have an answer to the question about Cruz's stance on religion and the constitution.

Sure... ask away.

I didn't realize you spoke for the people.

I guess it was to be expected. You already speak for every liberal politician by telling us what their tiny sound bites really mean, so this is just a natural evolution.

But here we are, and yet another natural conclusion of a simple argument. It's my fault really, for thinking it could possibly go another way.

 d-usa wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
It's a quick simple test really. Ask people if we should put "Allahu Akbar" on all money printed in 2017 and you will have an answer to the question about Cruz's stance on religion and the constitution.

Sure... ask away.

I didn't realize you spoke for the people.

I guess it was to be expected. You already speak for every liberal politician by telling us what their tiny sound bites really mean, so this is just a natural evolution.

But here we are, and yet another natural conclusion of a simple argument. It's my fault really, for thinking it could possibly go another way.

Oh. My bad... I thought your mind was already made up and you know what the outcome would be.

Let's hypothesis something.

Would they're be a backlash if we'd replaced ALL monetary denominations from "God we Trust" to "Allahu Akbar" or something similar?

Yeah, there would be.

But, let's say on a new $200 bill? Sure, I'd be fine with that.

Maybe on the new coins, rotate sayings from religion around the world? That'd be neato.

I think it would be neat as well, especially on coins.

We have a lot of different coin sets between the quarters and dollar coins in circulation. A series on world religions could be a nice touch.

I just have zero faith that it would work out and I think that it would end the same way as the "monument park" at the Oklahoma Legislature. Some "private group" donates a 10 Commandment Monument that is placed there and the legislature says it's okay because they didn't pay for it, some private group donated it and they are just hosting it. Only to be outraged when Satanists and Buddhist line up to donate their own monuments and asking them where they should place them next to the 10 Commandments.

There are just a lot of folks that wouldn't want any other religion on their money, but they don't see why anybody else should care that "God" is mentioned on their money. People be crazy.

 d-usa wrote:
I think it would be neat as well, especially on coins.

We have a lot of different coin sets between the quarters and dollar coins in circulation. A series on world religions could be a nice touch.

I just have zero faith that it would work out and I think that it would end the same way as the "monument park" at the Oklahoma Legislature. Some "private group" donates a 10 Commandment Monument that is placed there and the legislature says it's okay because they didn't pay for it, some private group donated it and they are just hosting it. Only to be outraged when Satanists and Buddhist line up to donate their own monuments and asking them where they should place them next to the 10 Commandments.

There are just a lot of folks that wouldn't want any other religion on their money, but they don't see why anybody else should care that "God" is mentioned on their money. People be crazy.

People are crazy... and in your case, OK should've allowed the Satanists / Buddhist monuments as well.

 whembly wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

Let's hypothesis something.

Would they're be a backlash if we'd replaced ALL monetary denominations from "God we Trust" to "Allahu Akbar" or something similar?

Yeah, there would be.

But, let's say on a new $200 bill? Sure, I'd be fine with that.

Maybe on the new coins, rotate sayings from religion around the world? That'd be neato.

You gotta pray like one of these to get on US paper:


I could see something like a "world religion" thing on the back of the nickel with various symbols and such. But you know the right would go ballistic if anything Islam-oriented were included. Didn't they throw a hissy when a Hindu held a prayer in the House or something?

EDIT: And like d-usa said, you'd have the Satanists and so forth pressing for inclusion as well.

 jasper76 wrote:

I could see something like a "world religion" thing on the back of the nickel with various symbols and such. But you know the right would go ballistic if anything Islam-oriented were included. Didn't they throw a hissy when a Hindu held a prayer in the House or something?

Back to Oklahoma (oh my home state, what a wonderful example you are):

Back in 2007, the Governor's Ethnic American Advisory Council was offering a copy of the Quran with the Oklahoma State Seal as a centennial gift to each member of the State Legislature. 20+ members of the legislature made a grand show out of refusing the gift. Even if they wanted to go the "I'm a Christian, I believe in the Bible and don't need the Quran" route, they could have simply emailed them a "no thanks" instead of making a public spectacle out of it.

The thing is, my religion will never make it to the money.

 skyth wrote:
The thing is, my religion will never make it to the money.

Pastafarian?

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

GOP leadership is the blame by ignoring the conservatives/tea party movement. They're paying the piper now...

You forgot to mention the part where they created the Tea Party movement first, then ignored them. Their rhetoric about all govt. being evil, all govt. spending being evil (while at the same time increasing spending), death panels, etc. all helped to give rise to the movement while at the same time never believing it themselves. Trump really is a monster, but don't ignore the doctor that created it and then turned away after being terrified at the ugliness of it.

Even though our resident Republican mouthpiece has avoided this, I'd just like to highlight it again.

I haven't seen any graphs or Venn diagrams to prove it, but I'd guess there is a large overlap between Tea Partiers and Trumpers. The fact that the Tea Party is pretty much universally viewed as a joke apparently still doesn't register. Bachman, Palin, Odonell, etc are all forgotten somehow. The fact that they've introduced feth all towards a sensibly smaller govt but hate the fact two men can kiss and get it legalized same as the rest of us doesn't register.

Face it, if you're a modern Republican, and you're not a social issue tyrant, you should be ashamed of your party. Blame whomever you want, but its still your party.

And yes, the Democrat erosion of the 2nd Amendment is deplorable, to me at least. Something something emails Libya (but never Iraq) Mexican walls.

 whembly wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
I think it would be neat as well, especially on coins.

We have a lot of different coin sets between the quarters and dollar coins in circulation. A series on world religions could be a nice touch.

I just have zero faith that it would work out and I think that it would end the same way as the "monument park" at the Oklahoma Legislature. Some "private group" donates a 10 Commandment Monument that is placed there and the legislature says it's okay because they didn't pay for it, some private group donated it and they are just hosting it. Only to be outraged when Satanists and Buddhist line up to donate their own monuments and asking them where they should place them next to the 10 Commandments.

There are just a lot of folks that wouldn't want any other religion on their money, but they don't see why anybody else should care that "God" is mentioned on their money. People be crazy.

People are crazy... and in your case, OK should've allowed the Satanists / Buddhist monuments as well.

Surely the clause that prohibits establishment of a religion prohibits the establishment of multi-faith religion. In other words, the government should be secular.


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DutchWinsAll wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

GOP leadership is the blame by ignoring the conservatives/tea party movement. They're paying the piper now...

You forgot to mention the part where they created the Tea Party movement first, then ignored them. Their rhetoric about all govt. being evil, all govt. spending being evil (while at the same time increasing spending), death panels, etc. all helped to give rise to the movement while at the same time never believing it themselves. Trump really is a monster, but don't ignore the doctor that created it and then turned away after being terrified at the ugliness of it.

Even though our resident Republican mouthpiece has avoided this, I'd just like to highlight it again.

I haven't seen any graphs or Venn diagrams to prove it, but I'd guess there is a large overlap between Tea Partiers and Trumpers. The fact that the Tea Party is pretty much universally viewed as a joke apparently still doesn't register. Bachman, Palin, Odonell, etc are all forgotten somehow. The fact that they've introduced feth all towards a sensibly smaller govt but hate the fact two men can kiss and get it legalized same as the rest of us doesn't register.

Face it, if you're a modern Republican, and you're not a social issue tyrant, you should be ashamed of your party. Blame whomever you want, but its still your party.

And yes, the Democrat erosion of the 2nd Amendment is deplorable, to me at least. Something something emails Libya (but never Iraq) Mexican walls.

The Democrat erosion of the 2nd Amendment at least is based on the laudable idea of reducing crime and violent death, not some personal bias against XXX (gays, Islam, immigrants, black people, etc.)

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 skyth wrote:
The thing is, my religion will never make it to the money.

Pastafarian?

Hellenic Pagan.

 skyth wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 skyth wrote:
The thing is, my religion will never make it to the money.

Pastafarian?

Hellenic Pagan.

Guessing that's the ancient greek pantheon?

Be careful of Zeus, he's a bit of a dick.

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The rest of us just grunt and hit each other with rocks before sacrificing a virgin to the Burning God in the sky.

fething hell America, what the hell happened to you.

 reds8n wrote:

fething hell America, what the hell happened to you.

This is a guy that once said “Obamacare is really I think the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery”

I dont' think nuance or awareness are his strongest suits.

 reds8n wrote:


The rest of us just grunt and hit each other with rocks before sacrificing a virgin to the Burning God in the sky.

Are you sure you're not describing the last few Republican debates there?

If only she'd been armed then ......



It's astonishing really.


Over here someone like that would be being taken care of in a special home, maybe wheeled out for special occasions and so on.

You let him perform surgery and have a significantly better chance than most people get of controlling the worlds largest atomic arsenal

He knows the earth isn't flat right ?

Someone has checked yeah ?

Forget it. I can't get the Quotes to work right.

Here is what Ted Cruz said after the attack on Brussels.

He continued, in a statement released by both his campaign and his Senate office, “We need to empower law enforcement to patrol and secure Muslim neighborhoods before they become radicalized.”

Senate and campaign aides to Mr. Cruz did not respond to questions seeking clarification on how the proposal might be carried out.

The next day he says this to "clarify" his position....

Cruz pointed to a former New York City police unit that targeted Muslims for surveillance as a model for his proposals.

"New York City, under Mayor Bloomberg, had a program that focused on, worked proactively with Muslim communities to stop radicalization to prevent attacks from radical Islamic terrorism before they occur," Cruz said. "Now what happened? Mayor de Blasio came in and decided political correctness mattered more than keeping people safe. He disbanded the program."

I guess he realized that words matter. However, I wonder if it helped him score any points with the Trump base?

I don't really understand my country anymore.

It feels like above everything else we value the blowhard, the fool, and this misguided notion of superiority.

I can only speak for where I live but there is this general feeling of anti intelligence. People sincerely believe that climate change isn't real because it snowed a week ago. Whenever there's a shooting I hear nothing but grandstanding about how they wouldnt have been victims cause they carry. Incidents of violence against women, races, and religion are met with derision and the insistance they earned it.

And I know that these sentiments aren't just limited to my narrow patch of earth.

How the hell did we go from going to the moon to thinking engineers are too fething smart for their iwn good?

 Easy E wrote:
Forget it. I can't get the Quotes to work right.

Here is what Ted Cruz said after the attack on Brussels.

He continued, in a statement released by both his campaign and his Senate office, “We need to empower law enforcement to patrol and secure Muslim neighborhoods before they become radicalized.”

Senate and campaign aides to Mr. Cruz did not respond to questions seeking clarification on how the proposal might be carried out.

The next day he says this to "clarify" his position....

Cruz pointed to a former New York City police unit that targeted Muslims for surveillance as a model for his proposals.

"New York City, under Mayor Bloomberg, had a program that focused on, worked proactively with Muslim communities to stop radicalization to prevent attacks from radical Islamic terrorism before they occur," Cruz said. "Now what happened? Mayor de Blasio came in and decided political correctness mattered more than keeping people safe. He disbanded the program."

I guess he realized that words matter. However, I wonder if it helped him score any points with the Trump base?

It's funny, because this is the party that bitches and moans about how immigrants don't integrate into America (whatever the hell they think that means), and then talks about throwing up all kinds of programs that will specifically targeting them (i.e. make it impossible for them to ever integrate, again, whatever the hell that means). I don't know what Republicans mean when they say "integrate into America" but I feel fairly confident that targeting them for special attention as a 'threat' won't be getting us wherever that is