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2016/04/22 05:13:14
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Still waiting to see my first one. I laughed aloud when she opened the folder and a bright glow shines out of it like she's just opened the Ark of the Covenant. I was waiting for her face to melt like a Nazi who had been confronted with the righteous blinding light of Cruz.
2016/04/22 13:16:02
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
That was actually an OK video, until the patented Cruz narcissism kicked in. Also, I guess this is my first time seeing that TrusTed logo. That was a very bad idea, I think. The parodies just write themselves: DistrusTed, UntrusTed, DisuniTed, and so on.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
2016/04/22 13:51:07
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Tannhauser42 wrote: That was actually an OK video, until the patented Cruz narcissism kicked in. Also, I guess this is my first time seeing that TrusTed logo. That was a very bad idea, I think. The parodies just write themselves: DistrusTed, UntrusTed, DisuniTed, and so on.
I agree with you on Cruz's logo... it doesn't work for me either. But, from what I gather, he used that during his Senate campaign, so I guess it worked in the past.
*shrugs*
So... just saw this and Kasich staying in the race makes a bit more sense now...
HOLLYWOOD, Fla. — If Republican National Committee rules governing the party's nominating process remain unchanged, it's all but impossible for Ohio Gov. John Kasich to gain enough delegates to put his name into nomination at the convention this July.
But he can become the GOP nominee anyway.
The rule governing the Republican Party's nomination process currently requires that a candidate demonstrate the written support of a majority of delegates from eight or more states. That threshold has helped winnow the field, with candidates dropping out as it became clear they'd be unable to meet it.
Currently, both Ted Cruz and Donald Trump have met the eight-state threshold, while Kasich, if polls of the remaining primary states hold, is highly unlikely to get there.
But top RNC strategists confirmed to reporters Thursday at the committee's Spring Meeting that the 40b requirement amounts to little more than a technciality. Having your name put into nomination affords candidates a number of advantages, like space in the convention hall and a nominating speech. But it's not required to ultimately win the nomination.
Under the current rules, even those candidates who don't meet the 8-state threshold can continue to amass delegate votes. And if they're able to cobble together the support of a majority of delegates — the magic 1237 number — they win, even if it's spread across all 50 states.
Typical interpretations of Rule 40 assumed Kasich's campaign would somehow have to rewrite the convention rules to get the governor into contention for the nomination. That's a tall order for the campaign, as they'd have to pack the committee finalizing the convention rules with supporters, and both Cruz and Trump already have an advantage in that effort. Still, Rule 40b isn't final — the Convention Rules Committee will meet the week before the convention to finalize changes to the rules.
But the fact that Rule 40b doesn't bar a candidate from gaining delegates' votes removes a huge obstacle from his path to the nomination.
And that's the assumption the Kasich campaign is operating under. Kasich strategist Mike Biundo told reporters at the RNC meeting that even if the rule isn't changed, they see a path for the candidate.
"Rule 40b doesnt exist until it exists, and even if…nothing changes in the rules, anybody who gets 1,237 gets the nomination," he said. "You dont have to have your name put in nomination. All that means is you don't get the speech and the pomp and circumstance.
"But if delegates keep coming our way on subsequent ballots and we get to 1,237, we're gonna be the nominee."
So... the savior?
Spoiler:
RUBIO!?!?!
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2016/04/22 13:54:03
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
This is a seriously stupid commercial. So the HRC campaign thinks Trump's positions are scary? Wouldn't that be a good thing for GOPers? Also, why the heck would HRC crew be critical of stuff that aligns with their position??? But they are scared of Ted Cruz because "he is an outsider" and "honest". Okay....
Yeah, the TrusTed thing is already something of a joke, even on some of the more conservative sites. BusTed was a big one when the sex scandal stuff hit.
Cruz seems to really be struggling for coherent platforms that distinguish him from Trump and his ego seems to be crippling him just as much (the comments about fornicating with a rat, etc.). I think the nonstop attacks aren't playing very well and were it not for superior technical campaign management, Cruz would not be holding on (he couldn't even with the southern states to push Trump out). At this point it is just a question of which trainwreck limps over the finish line to be declared the chosen dumpster fire.
-James
2016/04/22 14:06:36
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
dogma wrote: Whembly, do you actually like Cruz's positions?
Mostly... yes. There are few things I just roll my eyes at, but I acknowledge that no candidate is perfect. He's more aligned to my views than Clinton that's for sure.
But, imo, he doesn't have the charismatic allure to motivate the voters. He'll only get the hard nosed GOP voters and will lack the means to convince the swing voters
Neither does Clinton... but, I believe most Clinton voters would hold their nose and vote for her regardless who the GOP puts up.
In a weird way, TRUMP does have that "north eastern tough guy" charisma, and it may work in the General Election. Even so, I would hate (absolutely hate) a Trump Presidency.
'Tis why I believe the GOP voters missed a huge opportunity in Rubio... as he's easily contrasts to Clinton and her policies, such that I'd believe he can attract those swing voters.
If Cruz's the nominee? I don't think he'd survive the DNC / Clinton onslaught.
If Trump's the nominee? I wouldn't have a fething clue as he's constantly overcomes the conventional wisdom.
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2016/04/22 19:04:31
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Mostly... yes. There are few things I just roll my eyes at, but I acknowledge that no candidate is perfect. He's more aligned to my views than Clinton that's for sure.
That's apples and oranges. Which Cruz positions do you like?
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2016/04/22 21:07:08
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Mostly... yes. There are few things I just roll my eyes at, but I acknowledge that no candidate is perfect. He's more aligned to my views than Clinton that's for sure.
That's apples and oranges. Which Cruz positions do you like?
Planned Parenthood sells body parts of unborn human beings. (Sep 2015) [whem: that's apparent, but the real question is if they're profiting from that] Allow vote to end Planned Parenthood's funding. (Aug 2015) [whem: and ensure that the $$$ is redirected from PP to other non-abortion providers] Prosecute Planned Parenthood for criminal violations. (Aug 2015)[whem: if found, yep] Ban taxpayer funding of abortion & partial birth abortion. (Mar 2015) [whem: agreed] Companies can deny insuring birth control. (Apr 2012)[whem: agreed] Protect innocent human life with partial-birth ban. (Jul 2011)[whem: agreed] Opposes public abortion funding. (Oct 2012) [whem: agreed] Opposes churches providing birth control. (Oct 2012)[whem: I opposed forcing churches to do that against their will... I'm assuming that Ted's stance]
Ted Cruz on Budget & Economy
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Original sponsor of Audit-The-Fed bill. (Jan 2016)[whem: No. Injecting more politics into the Fed's operation is a recipe for disaster] Would I bail out the banks again? Absolutely not!. (Nov 2015)[whem: agreed] I would not bail out Bank of America. (Nov 2015)[whem: you tell them Ted!] 1.2% annual growth over last 8 years is a disaster. (Nov 2015)[whem: it is pretty bad...] Audit the Fed; then end quantitative easing. (Oct 2015)[whem: no. stay the feth away. Nominate "your guy" when a chairman seat opens up, but let 'em do their job.] Use debt limit as leverage for policy change. (Oct 2015)[whem: agreed] Top 1% under Obama got fat & happy while workers are hurting. (Feb 2015)[whem: well that's aparent] Lost Generation: Obama agenda hammers young people. (Mar 2014)[whem: politicking] Balanced budget amendment to stop bankrupting our country. (Mar 2014)[whem:agreed... no chance in hell to pass... ] Choice is more federal spending, or free markets & liberty. (Aug 2012)[whem: duh] FactCheck: Yes, gross federal debt now exceeds GDP. (Aug 2012)[whem:duh ] Demand a Balanced Budget amendment. (Jul 2010)[whem: demand all you want... it ain't passing Ted. Focus on other things please ] Limit federal spending growth to per-capita inflation rate. (Jul 2010)[whem: eh, sounds good in principle... but, Congress sets spending priorities... work with them Ted. ] Supports a constitutional BBA. (Oct 2012)[whem: politicking] Supports the Cut-Cap-and-Balance Pledge. (Jan 2012)[whem: politicking] Endorsed by the Club for Growth, for pro-growth stances. (Aug 2012)[whem: k] Audit the Federal Reserve & its actions on mortgage loans. (Feb 2013)[whem: no]
Ted Cruz on Civil Rights
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Don't empower more lawsuits by demanding equal pay. (Oct 2015)[whem: eh? Not sure what this is about really.] Supreme Court gay rights ruling undermines the Constitution. (Jul 2015)[whem: agreed. Kennedy should've used the equal protection clause] Adopt economic affirmative action instead of race-based. (Jun 2015)[whem: agreed] Pray against a court decision legalizing same-sex marriage. (Apr 2015)[whem: politicking] Liberals obsessed with mandatory gay marriage in 50 states. (Apr 2015)[whem: seems so... but, SC ruled already] Zealotry on same-sex marriage leaves out religious liberty. (Apr 2015)[whem: yup] Most states can ignore Supreme Court legalizing gay marriage. (Mar 2015)[whem: politicking... and... disagree with Ted] Overturn Supreme Court with anti-gay marriage Amendment. (Oct 2014)[whem: good luck] Opposes gay pride parades and opposes gay marriage. (Feb 2012)[whem: politicking] One-man-one-woman marriage is building block of society. (Jul 2011)[whem: politicking] Disallow Ku Klux Klan from participating in Adopt-A-Highway. (Jul 2011)[whem: why? Let 'em. That we can pollute their stretch of reads. ] Voted NO on reauthorizing the Violence Against Women Act. (Feb 2013)[whem: not up to speed on this... need to read up on it.] Supports defining traditional marriage. (Oct 2012)[whem: politicking] Sponsored state definition of marriage supersedes federal gay marriage. (Feb 2014)[whem: politicking]
Ted Cruz on Corporations
Spoiler:
End sugar subsidies and corporate welfare. (Nov 2015)[whem: OH YES!] Business flat tax of 16%; big business same as small. (Oct 2015)[whem: not really a big fan of his tax plan... but, it'll do.] Slash corporate tax rates to 15 percent. (Mar 2015)[whem: to spur economic growth?] Get senseless obstacles from Washington out of the way. (Jan 2015)[whem: agreed]
Ted Cruz on Crime
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Convert regulatory crimes into civil offenses. (Apr 2015)[whem: ABSO-FETHING-LUTELY!] World Court should have no say in Texas executions. (Jul 2011)[whem: agreed] Fully monitor sexual predators & bring them to justice. (Jul 2011)[whem: within reasons... sure. ] Supports the death penalty. (Oct 2012)[whem: I don't support the Death Penalty] Rated 55% by the NAPO, indicating a moderate stance on police issues. (Dec 2014)[whem: cool.]
Ted Cruz on Drugs
Spoiler:
Let's see what happens in Colorado with legalization. (Nov 2015)[whem: AGREED! 10th Amendment Honk!] Lower minimums and mandatory sentencing for drugs. (Apr 2015)[whem: agreed.] 2014: federal enforcement; 2015: let states experiment. (Mar 2015)[whem: AGREED!] I disagree with states legalizing pot, but it's their right. (Feb 2015)[whem: I don't disagree with, but totally agree it should be decided at the State.] Let states be laboratories of democracy on marijuana. (Feb 2015)[whem: yup.] I foolishly smoked pot when young, but never since. (Feb 2015)[whem: me to... but, as an old fogey, might try some "da chronic" products in Colorado.]
Ted Cruz on Education
Spoiler:
Race-to-the-Top is blackmail against the states. (Mar 2016)[whem: Riders will do that...] Abolish the U.S. Department of Education. (Apr 2015)[whem: ...and Block-grant the money to the states. Cool.] The rich already have school choice; give it to the poor. (Apr 2015)[whem: yup] Supports ending racial preferences for college admissions. (Apr 2015)[whem: agreed.] Right to education: public, private, charter, or homeschool. (Mar 2015)[whem: agreed.] We should thank parents who homeschool. (Mar 2015)[whem: yup] Local control of education instead of Common Core. (Mar 2015)[whem: yup] Facilitate school choice for poor Americans. (Jan 2014)[whem: yup] Education decisions best made at local level. (Jun 2012)[whem: yup] Denounce the Common Core State Standards. (Feb 2014)[whem: politicking] Block funding for Common Core; it's too heavy-handed. (Apr 2014)[whem: yup]
Ted Cruz on Energy & Oil
Spoiler:
Fight against Gulf moratorium on offshore exploration. (Jul 2011)[whem: yup] Signed the No Climate Tax Pledge by AFP. (Aug 2012)[whem: yup] Cap-and-trade has no impact on global temperatures. (Jul 2010)[whem: eh... we don't know, but rather not spend $$$ on something we don't know like this.] Explore proven energy reserves & keep energy prices low. (Jul 2010)[whem: whole kitchen sink baby.] Let states lease energy rights on federal lands. (Jun 2013)[whem: Yup]
Ted Cruz on Environment
Spoiler:
Federal government shouldn't own $14 trillion worth of land. (Jun 2015)[whem: agreed, but only of the states want it (ie, the western state may not afford all of it.] Don't pick winners & losers like RFS' ethanol in gasoline. (Mar 2015)[whem: agreed.] Voted NO on protecting ocean, coastal, and Great Lakes ecosystems. (May 2013)[whem: need to research that.]
Ted Cruz on Families & Children
Spoiler:
Hispanic values: faith, family & patriotism. (Feb 2016)[whem: cool... but don't really care.] Defend Judeo-Christian values against liberal fascism. (Apr 2015)[whem: politicking, but doesn't bother me] Opposes the unrelenting assault on traditional marriage. (Mar 2015)[whem: not a big issue for me.]
Ted Cruz on Foreign Policy
Spoiler:
Countries aspire to be like America, the exceptional nation. (Mar 2016)[whem: 'Murrica] Break diplomatic relations with Cuba. (Mar 2016)[whem: Unless we get something in return, sure.] Neutrality on Israel is moral relativism. (Feb 2016)[whem: yup] Under Hillary's leadership, every region of world is worse. (Nov 2015)[whem: AGREED!] Fighting ISIS is more important than fighting Assad. (Oct 2015)[whem: In terms of limited resources... agreed.] If Mideast strongmen still in power, better for US interests. (Oct 2015)[whem: appears that way... Ted seems to be playing MMQ] US should not engage in nation building in Afghanistan. (Oct 2015)[whem: agreed, or anywhere for that matter. If we go to war, we break stuff. ] Don't let world courts bind American sovereignty. (Sep 2015)[whem: yup] Move American embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. (Sep 2015)[whem: yup] Law of the Sea Treaty undermines US sovereignty. (Jun 2015)[whem: yup] Guide policy with true leadership of moral clarity. (Jun 2015)[whem: politicking] Cuba is oppressive but never misses chance to propagandize. (Oct 2014)[whem: politicking] Vigorous sanctions against Putin; help eastern Ukraine. (Jul 2014)[whem: if that's in our best interest...] America is indispensable; our allies need our leadership. (Jun 2014)[whem: agreed] Sanctions on Putin for Ukraine: tyrants respond to weakness. (Mar 2014)[whem: agreed] US has a responsibility to defend our values abroad. (Mar 2014)[whem: agreed] Move US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem; recognize as cap. [whem: agreed](Jan 2015)
Ted Cruz on Free Trade
Spoiler:
I always opposed TPP, but I supported TPA. (Mar 2016) [whem: huh? need more research.] Import taxes are paid by consumers, not by China. (Mar 2016)[whem: duh] End the Export-Import Bank. (Aug 2015)[whem: duh... good like tho... hella graft for lobbiest/politicians/corporations....] The Export-Import bank is corporate welfare. (Mar 2015)[whem: duh] Defended Chinese company on intellectual property theft. (May 2012)[whem: cool] Dewhurst lying about defending Chinese intellectual property. (May 2012)
Ted Cruz on Government Reform
Spoiler:
Current administration defies Constitution and rule of law. (Mar 2016)[whem: agreed.] Authored 70 Supreme Court briefs & argued 9 cases. (Mar 2016)[whem: woah.] Need principled constitutionalist on high court. (Feb 2016)[whem: AGREED] 80-year history of no Supreme Court changes in election year. (Feb 2016)[whem: politicking] Executive orders abuse presidential power; undo them all. (Feb 2016)[whem: cool.] Obama-era regulations hurt small business. (Nov 2015)[whem: politicking, but true.] Eliminate IRS, HUD, and Departments of Commerce & Energy. (Nov 2015)[whem: good luck] If you like special interests, I ain't your guy. (Aug 2015)[whem: apparently.] Limits on individual campaign donations make things worse. (Jun 2015)[whem: agreed] Campaign finance laws function as incumbent protection. (Jun 2015)[whem: YUP!] Executive actions override Congress & the Constitution. (Nov 2014)[whem: Some... but many could be argued under the Chevron doctrine.] Stop IRS from asking: 'tell me the content of your prayers'. (Mar 2014)[whem: agreed] Presidents should not pick & choose laws to enforce. (Mar 2014)[whem: agreed, but within reasons. IE, weed laws] End Washington cronyism via Congressional term limits. (Mar 2014)[whem: I'm actually against this. (see CA's legislatures)] Obama dishonors Constitution by bypassing Congress. (Jan 2014)[whem: politicking] Obama's executive orders is open door for future lawlessness. (Jan 2014)[whem: yup] Debt ceiling limits "blank check" of federal spending. (Jan 2014)[whem: yup.] Dems want to get as many Americans as possible dependent. (Oct 2012)[whem: Lyndon Johnson articulated those sentiments long ago...] Head of the Center for Tenth Amendment Studies. (Jul 2011)[whem: cool] Require voters to show ID to avoid voter fraud. (Jul 2011)[whem: agreed] Identify constitutionality in every new congressional bill. (Jul 2010)[whem: AGREED] Audit federal agencies, to reform or eliminate them. (Jul 2010)[whem: agreed] Moratorium on all earmarks until budget is balanced. (Jul 2010)[whem: politicking] Prohibit IRS audits targeting Tea Party political groups. (Feb 2014)[whem: yup]
Ted Cruz on Gun Control
Spoiler:
Lack of individual right to guns leads to confiscation. (Jan 2016)[whem: YUP] Obama is coming for our guns. (Oct 2015)[whem: politicking, if Obama *could*, he *would* confiscate guns] 2nd Amendment is ultimate check against government tyranny. (Jun 2015)[whem: agreed] Opposes unreasonable and burdensome gun restrictions. (Jul 2011)[whem: yay!] Voted NO on banning high-capacity magazines of over 10 bullets. (Apr 2013)[whem: w00t!] Opposes restricting the Second Amendment. (Oct 2012)[whem: duh] Oppose the United Nations' Arms Trade Treaty. (Sep 2013)[whem: agreed]
Ted Cruz on Health Care
Spoiler:
Don't exempt Congress from ObamaCare, or any law. (Nov 2015)[whem: YES,YES,YES,YES!!!] I regret voting for John Roberts because of ObamaCare vote. (Sep 2015)[whem: politicking] Left calls it "single-payer," but that's socialized medicine. (Jun 2015)[whem: politicking] Washington wants ObamaCare, the people want liberty. (Feb 2015)[whem: politicking] Support nuns' battle for religious liberty against ObamaCare. (Jan 2015)[whem: agreed] Government shutdown on ObamaCare worked: GOP won in 2014. (Nov 2014)[whem: politicking... he's not wrong though.] Suspend commercial air travel to Ebola-infected areas. (Oct 2014)[whem: politicking] To repeal ObamaCare, show Dems they'd lose by supporting it. (Mar 2014)[whem: politicking] Obama changed ObamaCare mandate deadline by a blog post. (Jan 2014)[whem: politicking] Obama asked companies to disobey ObamaCare rules for a year. (Jan 2014)[whem: politicking] 5 million had health insurance canceled because of ObamaCare. (Jan 2014)[whem: yup] Vow to repeal ObamaCare. (Oct 2012)[whem: cool] Save Medicare by raising eligibility age. (Aug 2012)[whem: would that really save it?] Throw my body in front of a train to stop ObamaCare. (Apr 2012)[whem: politicking] Defeat ObamaCare; rein in the federal government. (Jul 2011)[whem: agreed] Defund, repeal, & replace federal care with free market. (Jul 2010)[whem: agreed] Repeal any federal health care takeover. (Aug 2012)[whem: agreed] Supports repealing ObamaCare. (Oct 2012)[whem: agreed] Supports market-based health insurance. (Oct 2012)[whem: agreed]
Ted Cruz on Homeland Security
Spoiler:
Provide our veterans the care they have been promised. (Mar 2016)[whem: absolutely] Snowden guilty of treason, but exposed massive surveillance. (Mar 2016)[whem: agreed] Increase armed forces to 1.4 million troops. (Feb 2016)[whem: do we need to? Not opposed, just want strong justifications] Waterboarding isn't torture; but not for low-level officers. (Feb 2016)[whem: our law says it's not, but rather not "put it on the table" in the first place.] Torture is wrong, unambiguously; America does not need it. (Jan 2016)[whem: yup] Americans who join ISIS forfeit their citizenship. (Jan 2016)[whem: actually disagrees with Ted here... baaaaaad slippery slows to revoke citizenships] On day one, rip to shreds the Iranian nuclear deal. (Sep 2015)[whem: w00t! suck that mullahs!] Label the enemy that Obama won't: radical Islamic terrorists. (Aug 2015)[whem: yup] Benghazi: administration knew right away it was terrorism. (Jun 2015)[whem: <breathes heavily> INDEED!] No more domestic BRAC until overseas BRAC closures. (Jun 2015)[whem: not sure what the issue is here...] Torture was rightly outlawed, but keep tactics classified. (Dec 2014)[whem: I actually waffle on this...] Americans who join ISIS should be barred from coming home. (Sep 2014)[whem: no. Extra scrutiny... yeah.] Vital role for deploying military force abroad. (Mar 2014)[whem: yup] Opposes TSA and National Defense Authorization Act. (Sep 2012)[whem: yup] Fierce advocate of recruiting and growing the military. (Jul 2011)[whem: agreed] Supports banning military gay marriage. (Oct 2012)[whem: disagrees] Sponsored opposing the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty. (Mar 2013)[whem: agreed] No transfers of Gitmo prisoners to US or abroad. (Jan 2015)[whem: yup]
Ted Cruz on Immigration
Spoiler:
Bar refugees from terrorist-ridden regions. (Mar 2016)[whem: yup. Setup refugee camps elsewhere with protection] Children deported with parents can come back, if citizens. (Feb 2016)[whem: yup] I led the fight to defeat the Reid-Schumer amnesty bill. (Feb 2016)[whem: politicking] FactCheck: Yes, Bill Clinton deported 12M illegal aliens. (Dec 2015)[whem: politicking] Build a wall instead of massive amnesty plan. (Dec 2015)[whem: k] Enforce the law against millions of illegals currently here. (Dec 2015)[whem: agreed] Illegals are an economic calamity for low-wage Americans. (Nov 2015)[whem: duh] Support Kate's Law: oppose our leaders who won't enforce. (Aug 2015)[whem: absolutely] Path to citizenship is profoundly unfair to legal immigrants. (Feb 2015)[whem: agreed] End Obama's illegal amnesty via Congress' checks & balances. (Nov 2014)[whem: DOING IT 'DA PROPPA WAY!] Defund amnesty; and refuse any nominees until rescinded. (Nov 2014)[whem: politicking] No path to citizenship for 1.65 million illegals in Texas. (Oct 2012)[whem: agreed] Give police more power to ask about immigration status. (Jun 2012)[whem: duh] Boots on the ground, plus a wall. (Apr 2012)[whem: duh] Triple the size of the Border Patrol. (Mar 2012)[whem: k] Strengthen border security and increase enforcement. (Jul 2011)[whem: yup]
Ted Cruz on Jobs
Spoiler:
Job outlook great for lobbyists; not so great for others. (Jan 2016)[whem: politicking] Pass a flat tax and abolish the IRS, and jobs will follow. (Sep 2015)[whem: not big on his plan, but it'll do.] Raising minimum wage by executive fiat opposes rule of law. (Jan 2014)[whem: yup] Lowest labor force participation in over three decades. (Jan 2014)[whem: duh] Extending unemployment benefits exacerbates joblessness. (Aug 2012)[whem: yup]
Ted Cruz on Principles & Values
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I hear, "I didn't vote for you but you did what you said". (Feb 2016)[whem: politicking] FactCheck: Yes, Cruz speaks Spanish & understands Univision. (Feb 2016)[whem: politicking] FactCheck: McCain was born in US territory, not Panama. (Jan 2016)[whem: true] $1M campaign finance scandal: "I made a paperwork error". (Jan 2016)[whem: duh] NY values means not a lot of conservatives from Manhattan. (Jan 2016)[whem: everyone knew what he meant.] We the people can turn this nation around. (Nov 2015)[whem: 'Murrica] I'm not guy to have beer with; I'm the guy to drive you home. (Oct 2015)[whem: Ha! that's a good one Teddy...] How about talking about the issues, unlike mainstream media. (Oct 2015)[whem: politicking] I've been taking on government and my party. (Oct 2015)[whem: He's not wrong] I'm a consistent conservative, not a campaign conservative. (Aug 2015)[whem: politicking] Domestic policy adviser to George W. Bush campaign. (Jun 2015)[whem: politicking] I'm despised by GOP establishment, but so was Reagan. (Feb 2015)[whem: politicking] We win elections by bold principles & a positive agenda. (Mar 2014)[whem: politicking] Washington would be better with more farmers & fewer lawyers. (Mar 2014)[whem: politicking] OpEd: definition of "natural born" has wiggle room. (Dec 2013) Great Awakening: response to mess from career politicians. (Aug 2012) OpEd: His law firm donated $200,000 to Obama's campaign. (Apr 2012) Defend Ten Commandments and "under God" in the Pledge. (Jul 2011) Endorsed Member of the Tea Party movement. (Aug 2012)
Ted Cruz on Social Security
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Personal accounts for young; no changes for elderly. (Nov 2015)[whem: eh...] Eliminate payroll tax entirely. and IRS entirely. (Nov 2015)[whem: yup] No changes for seniors; personal accounts for young. (Oct 2015)[whem: eh] Implement commonsense reforms for younger workers. (Jun 2015)[whem: politicking] Raise retirement age; cap increases to inflation rate. (Aug 2012)[whem: k] Transition younger workers into personal savings system. (Jun 2012)[whem: yay!] Rated 0% by ARA, indicating a pro-privatization stance. (Jan 2013)[whem: politicking]
Ted Cruz on Tax Reform
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Tax returns on a postcard. (Feb 2016)[whem: worthy goal... can you herd cats?] There are more words in the tax code than in the Bible. (Nov 2015)[whem: politicking] Eliminate payroll tax, death tax, business tax, and IRS. (Oct 2015)[whem: okay] Abolish the IRS. (Feb 2015)[whem: good luck] Permanent Washington elite protects the tax code. (Apr 2012)[whem: politicking] Adopt a single-rate tax system. (Jul 2010)[whem: would love to... but barriers would be high to achieve this.] Repeal tax hikes in capital gains and death tax. (Jul 2010)[whem: yup] Supports the Taxpayer Protection Pledge. (Aug 2012)[whem: politicking] Opposes increasing tax rates. (Oct 2012)[whem: agreed] Supports eliminating the inheritance tax. (Oct 2012)[whem: agreed] Replace income tax and IRS with FairTax. (Mar 2015)[whem: meh... his version has somthing akin to a VAT to business side... which is a "hidden tax"... so, I'm 'meh' about it.]
Ted Cruz on Technology
Spoiler:
Require Apple to unlock iPhones used by terrorists. (Feb 2016)[whem: No. Disagree with Ted] Target cell phones and tech that Bad Guys likely to use. (Dec 2015)[whem: with warrants? sure!] Of course China & Russia have conducted cyberwarfare on US. (Aug 2015)[whem: duh] Net neutrality is ObamaCare for the Internet. (Nov 2014)[whem: politicking, but he's not wrong] Voted NO on authorizing states to collect Internet sales taxes. (May 2013)[whem: agreed]
Ted Cruz on War & Peace
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U.S.-Israel alliance is a strategic bedrock. (Mar 2016)[whem: agreed] Russia too strong for Syria cease-fire to hold. (Feb 2016)[whem: agreed] Overwhelming air power against ISIS, & arm the Kurds. (Feb 2016)[whem: agreed] Our enemies will feel our full force & fury. (Jan 2016)[whem: agreed] FactCheck: No, ISIS and Iran haven't declared war on America. (Dec 2015)[whem: duh] Assad is bad, but toppling him gives Syria to ISIS. (Dec 2015)[whem: duh] When terrorists join ISIS, they sign U.S. death warrant. (Dec 2015)[whem: No... unless they're in the field of battle. No extrajudicial dronings] If you wage jihad on America, you sign your death warrant. (Aug 2015)[whem: agreed] Toughen sanctions on Iran, to safeguard America. (Mar 2015)[whem: politicking] Provide defensive weapons for Ukraine against Russia. (Feb 2015)[whem: agreed] Arm the Kurds to fight ISIS, with US air support. (Feb 2015)[whem: agreed] Focused, direct military objective of destroying ISIS. (Feb 2015)[whem: agreed] Bomb ISIS back to the Stone Age. (Oct 2014)[whem: agreed... 'Murrica] Arm & aid the Peshmerga Kurds against ISIS. (Oct 2014)[whem: agreed] Don't arm Syrian rebels without a clear plan to combat ISIS. (Sep 2014)[whem: duh] Bomb ISIS back into the Stone Age, with Congress' approval. (Sep 2014)[whem: agreed] Install Eastern European ABMs; stand up to Russia in Ukraine. (Jun 2014)[whem: agreed] Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan went on too long. (Jun 2012)[whem: agreed] Sponsored shutting down Iranian foreign reserves. (May 2013)[whem: agreed]
Ted Cruz on Welfare & Poverty
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Regulations like ObamaCare lead to layoffs of the poorest. (Feb 2016)[whem: already happened...] FactCheck: Yes, 3.7M women became impoverished since 2008. (Oct 2015)[whem: politicking] If you really want to help needy, use private charities. (Jun 2015)[whem: sure] Government checks create dependency. (Aug 2012)[whem: politicking, but he's not wrong]
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2016/04/23 00:05:30
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
I made it as far as "Liberal fascism" in "defending the family" What. The. Feth.
As my own response to his/and your positions:
Ehh, abortion is a hot button issue. We all get that. Every single state that has investigated PP for illegal activities has wasted it's time. Let's leave sleeping dogs lie, eh?
On economics, methinks you, and Teddy don't quite have a grasp on how things really are.... 2% growth per year is considered amazing. 1.2% is, ehh, pretty damn good. I do agree with you on not bailing out banks again.
Also, I think he fails to realize that the top 1% who got "fat and happy" under Obama, were even MORE fat and happy under Bush jr. (and in general, whenever there's a "trickle down" president in office... fething snake oil)
"zealotry on SSM leaves out religious liberty" Say wut?? BAHAHAHA, that's pretty fething stupid right there. No body is forcing religious people to get SSM. All the SC has done is ensured that those who DO wish to get a SSM, can do so, and receive the same goods and services as more traditional couples do (namely the goods of cakes and that sort of thing, I don't think church ministers should be forced to marry against religious codes within the confines of their church, however if the couple wants to be wed in say, a city park, then it's fair game services)
His corporate ideals are kind of all over the place. I agree with y'all on the "sugar tax relief subsidies"... but then, that Jewish "socialist" guy does as well That's about where the coherency ends, his idea of a flat tax, and then "slashing" taxes for corporate entities is pretty all over the place, but slashing them is definitely a Trickle-down theory, and I am thoroughly against that.
When it comes to his stance on drugs, I disagree that each state should legalize weed or whatever on their own... Personally, I think that Colorado, Washington and Oregon have shown that it's OK, the world wont fall apart. That said, I think that because those states legalized it, if it is legalized at the federal levels, there should be ZERO federal tax dollars involved (as in, no "cigarette tax" on them) because that would basically end up punishing those states who jumped on that bandwagon early.
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2016/04/23 00:07:11
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Hillary’s primary success is a sham: Bernie Sanders will remain the true Democratic front-runner until the FBI finishes its Investigation
It's not over until the FBI clears Hillary Clinton— which it absolutely shouldn't
Bernie Sanders is the only Democratic candidate for president not linked to an FBI investigation. This used to mean something in American politics, but those days are gone. Today, I’m viewed as delusional, by the same people who think smart politics and qualifications entail endless scandals, poor decision-making on everything from major foreign policy decisions to Wall Street speeches, and ongoing FBI investigations. In truth, the only delusion is believing that a candidate at risk of DOJ indictments, and facing political repercussions even without these indictments, would make a great president.
Nonetheless, this election season has been a bizarre case study in group think and competing narratives. At first, Bernie couldn’t win and Hillary was inevitable. Now, Bernie almost won, but apparently lost because of New York, and the FBI is simply a minor speed bump on the road to the White House. Tomorrow, Clinton will claim victory is just around the corner, even without knowledge of the FBI’s verdict.
At the end of the day, Americans everywhere will realize that the rule of law applies to Hillary Clinton, and that honesty and integrity will propel Bernie Sanders to the presidency. The FBI’s reputation is at stake, both globally and at home, and I explain why in this YouTube segment. James Comey and the agents who’ve devoted endless hours to Clinton’s email investigation will soon disclose their findings to the American people; to think nothing will result from this year-long probe is naive. Remember, the FBI doesn’t give parking tickets.
There will indeed be political repercussions for Clinton, especially if the FBI recommends indictment, and Democrats will need Bernie Sanders. The DNC will need Bernie Sanders. The country will need Bernie Sanders.
We haven’t veered that far away from our former value system as nation, when possible criminal conduct meant the end of presidential campaigns, for the DNC to continue to back Hillary Clinton, even after the FBI recommends indictments.
Think I’m nuts?
The smartest people in the room are again saying that Bernie Sanders can’t win, even though they failed to predict he’d be only 1.4 points nationally from Clinton in April of 2016. Last year, I accurately predicted that Bernie Sanders would continue his surge in the polls, while most observers never imagined Vermont’s Senator already defeating Clinton in two national polls. Not long ago, there was the notion that party unity would save Democrats in November, if Clinton became the nominee. Again, I predicted that many Democrats would never support Hillary Clinton, and that figure is now much larger. The smart Democratic strategists also never imagined Bernie Sanders would have 1,149 delegates, even after New York, and certainly never predicted he’d defeat GOP competition by wider margins than Hillary Clinton. Once again, in almost all my writing advocating Bernie Sanders, I’ve made the case that Sanders would be here, at this point, and perform better against Republican challengers.
Most importantly, nobody in progressive politics took the FBI investigation seriously, even though I’ve addressed the issue since last year, before supporting Bernie and while I was backing Elizabeth Warren. For this reason, and not delegate math (that discounts the over 100,000 voters in Brooklyn who weren’t allowed to vote), there’s only one genuine front-runner in the race for Democratic nominee. You can’t start bringing up rules and delegate count, if voter suppression, rigged debates schedules, and overt foul play have been hallmarks of the 2016 Democratic Primary.
Bernie Sanders will remain the true Democratic front-runner, until the FBI finishes its year-long investigation of the Top Secret and classified intelligence found on Clinton’s private server. This concept is simple, but very difficult for Clinton supporters, and even many observers in the media to comprehend. To most supporters of the former Secretary of State, everything is a Benghazi committee, regardless of the severity of the controversy or questions surrounding Clinton’s decision-making.
First, the Clinton campaign would like nothing more than Bernie Sanders dropping out, and becoming the only candidate standing if the FBI recommends indictments for Clinton or her top aides. The narrative then would be that Democrats had to vote for Clinton, since there was nobody left standing other than the former Secretary of State. Luckily, Bernie Sanders has more than enough money to see this election through; all the way to the FBI’s vote.
Of course, the Hillary faithful can’t even fathom indictment, but it’s a real possibility; in fact, a likely repercussion the more you know about the email investigation. I
It’s not often that a political figure is both investigated by the FBI, and seen as qualified by voters; yet another bizarre aspect of Clinton’s 2016 quest for the White House.
More important than anything I have to say on the topic, Lt. General Michael Flynn has a profound viewpoint. Speaking to Jake Tapper on CNN, President Obama’s former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency makes the case for Hillary Clinton to “drop out” of the 2016 race:
Washington (CNN)President Barack Obama’s former top military intelligence official said Hillary Clinton should pull out of the presidential race while the FBI investigate her use of a private email server for official government communication while secretary of state.
Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, the retired chief of the Defense Intelligence Agency, made the call in an interview with Jake Tapper on “The Lead.”
“If it were me, I would have been out the door and probably in jail,” said Flynn, who decried what he said was a “lack of accountability, frankly, in a person who should have been much more responsible in her actions as the secretary of state of the United States of America.”
“This over-classification excuse is not an excuse,” Flynn said Friday. “If it’s classified, it’s classified.”
…Flynn, who headed the Defense Intelligence Agency from July 2012 to August 2014, told Tapper that Clinton “knew better” given the roles that she has had as a senator, a secretary of state, “even back when she was married to the president of the United States, she was going to have privileged information in that regard.”
Therefore, who’s wrong? Lt. General Michael Flynn, or the Clinton campaign?
I’ll side with Lt. General Michael Flynn.
On the completely opposite end of the spectrum, pertaining to the intelligence community, both Obama’s former intelligence chief and Edward Snowden agree on Clinton’s email situation. Quoted in The Guardian, Snowden makes a similar case:
Snowden said in Al-Jazeera interview that ordinary government workers would ‘very likely face prosecution’ for sending classified emails over personal server…
Edward Snowden has branded as “completely ridiculous” the idea that Hillary Clinton’s personal email server was secure while she was secretary of state…
“This is a problem,” Snowden said, “because anyone who has the clearances that the secretary of state has, or the director of any top-level agency has, knows how classified information should be handled.”
He added: “If an ordinary worker at the State Department or the CIA … were sending details about the security of embassies, which is alleged to be in her email, meetings with private government officials, foreign government officials and the statements that were made to them in confidence over unclassified email systems, they would not only lose their jobs and lose their clearance, they would very likely face prosecution for it.”
Both Snowden and Flynn stated that they’d be in jail if they had acted like Hillary Clinton.
Again, two people on opposite ends of the political spectrum, who are experts on classified intelligence, state the same thing pertaining to the FBI’s investigation of Clinton’s emails.
Yes, America needs Bernie Sanders to stay in the race. Vermont’s Senator will win the Democratic nomination, primarily because his competitor can’t even type an email without scandal. It will be interesting to see the nationwide media frenzy once this story hits.
Wait a minute... I thought it was a security review, not an actual to god FBI investigation.
As aside... to put things in context... Bernie Sanders has more primary votes than frontrunner Trump. Caveats galore is that, yeah, Trump had to deal with a loaded GOP field.... but still man.
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2016/04/23 00:20:15
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
It looks to me like Trump has roughly one million more than Sanders in the popular vote and Clinton has three million more than Trump. What is the point with that stat? Clinton is the most popular candidate running right now. There's your context.
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2016/04/23 00:26:06
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
You know, you could also realize that Hillary is a somewhat liberal democrat that generally represents the overall party.
The reason left wing media doesn't care as much for Hillary is because there's a real far left candidate.
The right wing is just so accustomed to treating anybody left of Chris Christie as super-Lenin they have no ability to see nuance.
Not that the left is all that much better. I have one college friend who claims he'd never vote for Hilary because "I don't vote republican."
This is one candidate that's seen both as too conservative to be a dem by some, and a liberal-fascist by others. Crazy.
Meanwhile, a silent plurality just want a president that looks like she could strangle a puppy without breaking eye contact. But will at least appoint liberal judges.
2016/04/23 01:37:51
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Meanwhile, a silent plurality just want a president that looks like she could strangle a puppy without breaking eye contact. But will at least appoint liberal judges.
Well, then I think Clinton is totally your woman then. Wait. Wasn't that a scene in the first season of House of Thrones? Or was it the Apprentice? Or was it Game of Cards? My fictions are getting all mixed up and invading my realities.
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2016/04/23 03:30:57
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Unsurprisingly, Republicans think this is a co-ordinated effort to help HRC get into the White House, as the majority of these felons are African Americans. To his credit, Rand Paul backs it.
Personally, I think it's right to have voting rights back if you've repaid your debt to society.
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2016/04/23 15:02:47
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Unsurprisingly, Republicans think this is a co-ordinated effort to help HRC get into the White House, as the majority of these felons are African Americans. To his credit, Rand Paul backs it.
Personally, I think it's right to have voting rights back if you've repaid your debt to society.
It's not that leap of logic to suggest that this helps pad the Democrat votes. However, remains to be seen that "ex felons" are motivated to vote as a bloc...
Regardless, I applaud this decision...if you paid your dues (incarceration/probations), then your rights *should* snap back to you, end of story.
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2016/04/23 15:15:17
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Unsurprisingly, Republicans think this is a co-ordinated effort to help HRC get into the White House, as the majority of these felons are African Americans. To his credit, Rand Paul backs it.
Personally, I think it's right to have voting rights back if you've repaid your debt to society.
It's not that leap of logic to suggest that this helps pad the Democrat votes. However, remains to be seen that "ex felons" are motivated to vote as a bloc...
Regardless, I applaud this decision...if you paid your dues (incarceration/probations), then your rights *should* snap back to you, end of story.
Let's be honest Whembley: do you think Reagan would have been worried at the D's getting a few hundred thousand votes from this?
A confident and capable Republican candidate, with a clear message and vision for the nation, would barely blink twice at this news.
The Republican reaction tells me they haven't got the heart for the fight. And who can blame them considering their candidates!
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I concede the point to you, Whembley - you were right.
A quick check of Wikipedia tells me that in 2012, Obama was the first D to win Virginia since FDR and that 200,000 votes could make one hell of a difference because the winning margin between Obama and Mitt Romney was roughly 130,000 votes...
Maybe the Republicans are right
Still, if you've paid your debt, you should get your voting rights back.
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2016/04/23 15:51:17
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
I concede the point to you, Whembley - you were right.
A quick check of Wikipedia tells me that in 2012, Obama was the first D to win Virginia since FDR and that 200,000 votes could make one hell of a difference because the winning margin between Obama and Mitt Romney was roughly 130,000 votes...
Maybe the Republicans are right
Still, if you've paid your debt, you should get your voting rights back.
Still, state rights and all that, yeah? So the republicans can grumble all they want but shouldn't actually do anything against it.
If they didn't want it to happen then they should have won the Virginia state elections or whatever they are
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2016/04/23 15:58:29
Subject: The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Compel wrote: All I could think was that there was a big stink in the UK relatively recently about prisoners not being able to vote while they were in prison...
I don't believe that any prisoner should be able to vote and I believe the ECJ or ECHR ruled in the UK's favour on this issue.
But once you've done your time, you should get all your rights back IMHO.
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2016/04/23 16:39:00
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Yes, and it should be an automatic process. The only time it makes sense to me in any way to have your voting rights rescinded is if your were convicted of election fraud or something similar, and even then it's a pretty weak sell to me.
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2016/04/23 16:57:25
Subject: Re:The Political Junkie™ Thread - USA Edition
Yes, and it should be an automatic process. The only time it makes sense to me in any way to have your voting rights rescinded is if your were convicted of election fraud or something similar, and even then it's a pretty weak sell to me.
Just out of curiosity, do you think they should also get 2nd amendment rights restored? Maybe with a similar caveat (if they committed some crime while armed with a gun, no restoration)?
Not trying to play any games, I'm genuinely curious.
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Personally, I think under almost all conditions all rights should be restored.
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
That's about where the coherency ends, his idea of a flat tax, and then "slashing" taxes for corporate entities is pretty all over the place, but slashing them is definitely a Trickle-down theory, and I am thoroughly against that.
