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After my recent epic failed Fandex, I want to flesh out some fluff, and for that I have a few questions:

Say a person with the same build and strength as a Marine stole parts of their power armour, would they be able to wear it? I'm talking about small parts, like pauldrons and greeves.

Could a person with the same build as a Marine use a Bolter without power armour?

 Matthew wrote:
After my recent epic failed Fandex, I want to flesh out some fluff, and for that I have a few questions:

Say a person with the same build and strength as a Marine stole parts of their power armour, would they be able to wear it? I'm talking about small parts, like pauldrons and greeves.

Could a person with the same build as a Marine use a Bolter without power armour?

maybe use bits and peices as scavanged but they'd not be able to wear the full suit due to the black carapeice.
as for the bolter.. yeah sure, you don't need PA to fire a bolt gun.

that said, a PERSON with the same strength and build as an Astartes proably doesn't exist. not humans at any rate.

Bolters are carried by all kinds of people. However, the size of an Astartes Bolter makes it decidedly unwieldy for a regular human to carry. For, say, an Ogryn, who is generally the same size as a Space Marine, wielding an Astartes bolter should pose no physical problem.

However, it is also noted that the war-spirit of an Astartes Bolter recognizes when a non-Astartes is wielding it, and gets offended. It may not function. Or it might just cook the rounds (all of the rounds) off in the chamber and blow your arm(s) off.

As far as piecing together bits of a broken suit of power armor? Well... maybe. On anyone not the same general size of a Space Marine, using the pauldrons is going to look real stupid, since these things are going to be huge on you. The rest of the armor simply won't fit. On, again, someone the same general size, yes, they could wear it, but they lack a Black Carapace, and so are hampered by the sheer bulk and size of the armor, and are not as nimble or dextrous as they would otherwise be... and are most certainly not on par with a Space Marine in Power Armor.

I dunno, I mean SoBs appear to be rather nimble in their power armour, and they don't have the strength of a SM or the black carapace.

 Happyjew wrote:
I dunno, I mean SoBs appear to be rather nimble in their power armour, and they don't have the strength of a SM or the black carapace.

...No, they don't?

 Happyjew wrote:
I dunno, I mean SoBs appear to be rather nimble in their power armour, and they don't have the strength of a SM or the black carapace.

It's the difference between someone who is trained to use heavy armour, who knows how to account for its weight and presence... and someone whose kinaesthetic sense actually naturally adapts to where their armour is.

SOB armor is also of clearly lighter construction then astartes armor.

Yeah, SOB use a different model than the SM. there is PA for humans out there....Just have to get lucky and kill/find the right person

BrianDavion wrote:
SOB armor is also of clearly lighter construction then astartes armor.

All the protective ability, none of the extraneous drivel.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
SOB armor is also of clearly lighter construction then astartes armor.

All the protective ability, none of the extraneous drivel.

It does make you look like a BDSM mistress though...

 Furyou Miko wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
SOB armor is also of clearly lighter construction then astartes armor.

All the protective ability, none of the extraneous drivel.

No, it quite clearly isn't. The abdomen is completely unarmored on sisters, and their power armor is thinner in such areas as the pauldrons.

Not to mention their bolters and other weapons are cut-down and smaller versions compared to Astartes gear. Without the augmented strength, humans can't wield weapons like bolters, astartes power fists, or probably the pauldrons.

However even with augmented strength, Astartes struggle to move in their armor if the power is cut.

 Psienesis wrote:
For, say, an Ogryn, who is generally the same size as a Space Marine, wielding an Astartes bolter should pose no physical problem.

The ogryns are far larger and bulkier than the average marine - a bolter could well be too small for them to use. You might have to modify it with a larger grip and remove the trigger guard. The recoil itself shouldn't pose any problem to an ogryn, seeing as it also is far stronger and more resilient than said average marine.

I thought there were difference versions of bolters, meant for different users. Like Space Marine bolters are significantly bigger than the IG or SoB counterparts.

Wasn't there that one piece of fluff that said a Marine bolter would blow a normal human's arms out of the his shoulders if he was stupid enough to fire it?

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
SOB armor is also of clearly lighter construction then astartes armor.

All the protective ability, none of the extraneous drivel.

No, it quite clearly isn't. The abdomen is completely unarmored on sisters, and their power armor is thinner in such areas as the pauldrons.

Not to mention their bolters and other weapons are cut-down and smaller versions compared to Astartes gear. Without the augmented strength, humans can't wield weapons like bolters, astartes power fists, or probably the pauldrons.

However even with augmented strength, Astartes struggle to move in their armor if the power is cut.

for the record Light power armor in the FFG is noted as having an armor rating of 7 vs astartes which has a rating of 8, (obviously this is considered statisticly irrelevent on tabletop)

 Zaki66 wrote:
I thought there were difference versions of bolters, meant for different users. Like Space Marine bolters are significantly bigger than the IG or SoB counterparts.

Wasn't there that one piece of fluff that said a Marine bolter would blow a normal human's arms out of the his shoulders if he was stupid enough to fire it?

Don't go by the fluff, it's all over the place - originally bolters were supposed to be recoilless and fire caseless ammunition.

 Zaki66 wrote:
I thought there were difference versions of bolters, meant for different users. Like Space Marine bolters are significantly bigger than the IG or SoB counterparts.

Wasn't there that one piece of fluff that said a Marine bolter would blow a normal human's arms out of the his shoulders if he was stupid enough to fire it?

Considering Astartes Bolters are fully automatic .75 caliber assault rifles, yeah, they'd seriously feth up your entire body. Humans already can barely even fire .50 weapons from the hip, and can only use 20mm rifles mounted on bipods dug into the ground or on turrets.

Talking about ogryns what would happen if you turned one of them into a marine?

Magnificent things, surely.

 e.earnshaw wrote:
Talking about ogryns what would happen if you turned one of them into a marine?

It already happened. It was called Crackdown.

 e.earnshaw wrote:
Talking about ogryns what would happen if you turned one of them into a marine?

it's proably wouldn't work, given how picky geneseed is supposed to be I bet an abhuman with one wouldn't work.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
SOB armor is also of clearly lighter construction then astartes armor.

All the protective ability, none of the extraneous drivel.

No, it quite clearly isn't. The abdomen is completely unarmored on sisters, and their power armor is thinner in such areas as the pauldrons.

Not to mention their bolters and other weapons are cut-down and smaller versions compared to Astartes gear. Without the augmented strength, humans can't wield weapons like bolters, astartes power fists, or probably the pauldrons.

However even with augmented strength, Astartes struggle to move in their armor if the power is cut.

I am not fighting you over this again. The codex clearly states that the armour provides the same protection. The codex clearly states that their wargear is just as effective, in absolute terms, with that of the Astartes in every way, except for specifically noting that Sororitas power armour does not have the same life support capabilities.

You are still wrong.

And the SM codex says no one has authority over a Chapter Master, not even Super-Grand Inquisitor Lord Whateverus the Entitled, but people just disregard that.

I am not buying that SoB armour provides equal protection. Despite what the codex might think, I am not an idiot, and I am not blind either. 10 mm of steel provides less protection than 20 mm of steel, even if the smelter tells you otherwise. Ceramite is no different.

If it's so bothersome, consider the SoB codex to be Imperial propaganda.

Your opinion doesn't count because you think Space Marines can walk through lava.

Naw.

Fire, yes.

Grenades, yes.

But lava does evil things to soft armour.

Non-Astartes can wear power armor no problem. Inquisitors and Rogue Traders do it all the time. However, the lack of a Black Carapace will make them slower in the armor. Wearing parts of power armor isn't going to boost your strength, too. It's all or nothing (except the ever-so-cinematic helmet, of course).

If you lose power and you don't have Astartes implants and gene-conditioning, you're going to have a hell of a time moving. You might be stuck completely, depending on the model of armor.

Well, no, all Imperial power armour will be practically impossible to move in without power.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Well, no, all Imperial power armour will be practically impossible to move in without power.

Not so.

 Psienesis wrote:
However, it is also noted that the war-spirit of an Astartes Bolter recognizes when a non-Astartes is wielding it, and gets offended. It may not function. Or it might just cook the rounds (all of the rounds) off in the chamber and blow your arm(s) off.

Well, if an ork would put it, it would become an even better weapon because, unlike when used by a space marine, it would not need any maintenance whatsoever!

 Iron_Captain wrote:
It does make you look like a BDSM mistress though...

If your BDSM mistress looks like this:

then you are into some weird, very unusual kind of fetish that seems focused on baroque blingy shiny stuff.

 Wyzilla wrote:
No, it quite clearly isn't. The abdomen is completely unarmored on sisters

Cf just above. That does not seem “unarmored” to me. Or this:

 j31c3n wrote:
Non-Astartes can wear power armor no problem. Inquisitors and Rogue Traders do it all the time. However, the lack of a Black Carapace will make them slower in the armor. Wearing parts of power armor isn't going to boost your strength, too. It's all or nothing (except the ever-so-cinematic helmet, of course).

If you lose power and you don't have Astartes implants and gene-conditioning, you're going to have a hell of a time moving. You might be stuck completely, depending on the model of armor.

There are examples of "humans" wearing bodygloves which include neural links which simulate to a greater or lesser degree the black carapace - as an Inquisitor Amberley Vail uses one when she wears her Artificer armour - Power fist and Hv Bolter equipped.....

The Sororitas armour is often referred to as equal in protection to the Astartes -but like the majority of things in 40k - whether you agree and accept is upto you.

obligatory - why would you steal anyone's power armor? It's really bad you know?


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 Ashiraya wrote:
And the SM codex says no one has authority over a Chapter Master, not even Super-Grand Inquisitor Lord Whateverus the Entitled, but people just disregard that.

I am not buying that SoB armour provides equal protection. Despite what the codex might think, I am not an idiot, and I am not blind either. 10 mm of steel provides less protection than 20 mm of steel, even if the smelter tells you otherwise. Ceramite is no different.

If it's so bothersome, consider the SoB codex to be Imperial propaganda.

Well it doesn't confer the T4 to the sister which must be the explanation.