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 insaniak wrote:
Freman Bloodglaive wrote:
The 7th Edition rulebook basically says that base sizes aren't important, just base them as you see fit..

No, it doesn't. It says to use the base the model came with, and if you get a model that has a non-standard base then you should use whatever a similar model has.


Thus, you have to use two bases. 32 AND 25 mm. 57 mm.
   
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Only if the model you bought was supplied with both.

 
   
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SirDonlad wrote:
 agnosto wrote:
 Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:
Where are the other two models?


lol. GW math. 10+1 = 13!!!!


it's only in a courtroom that the word 'including' with a list of things after it ONLY includes the things after it.

it would spoil the flow of the sentence somewhat and indeed raise more questions to put 'includes without limitation...' before the list of things.





you know sometimes you have something relevant to say, but halfway through typing you look at what you're saying and think "man, I can be really boring..."

yeah.....


The thing is, it does only come with the 11 models they list, there isn't 13 models. It was just an error.
   
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 Grey Templar wrote:
They're giving you the options to base on whichever you want.

Personally, I think 25mm is good for normal infantry. Larger models like jump packs or characters make a little more sense on the larger 32mm base.


Me too, since I play mostly in a friendly context I like what happened when Terminators went to 40mm as it provided more modelling opportunity and accomodated wider stances and more imposing models. So in general I would probably choose 32mm for e.g. Necron Triarch Praetorians to try to do some modelling on the bases. But then again, Terminators were not given the choice to remain at 25mm..

I still think the disadvantages of having a larger base outweigh the positives (less template coverage) so I see it as a drawback gaming wise, but advantageous modelling wise. Units that would be the trickiest to choose for IMHO are biggish models in units of 5+ with CC as their primary role, such as assault marines. They would look good on 32mm but loose out due to fewer models enganged in combat.

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As I said roughly 2 months ago when I got the word from my local GW store manager, (which was when they started dropping the new bases), it is your choice if you want to switch to new bases or stick with the old ones.

Personally, I'm putting my 'nid warriors on the 50's. I had one set of warriors on the 40mm's and they barely fit on there as it is. The feet and the tails would stick out off the bases. Also, it doesn't make sense. A 'nid warrior is much bigger than a terminator. (Not that 'nids are in way scaled properly on the table )

If I ever get around to actually building my space wolves I'll probably throw them on the 32s, since I don't have an existing army to start with.

And I haven't heard a thing about orks changing bases...

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 ImAGeek wrote:
When the first BA kits with 32mm bases came out a few people emailed them and the reply was just that they chose 32mm for aesthetic reasons and you can use either. It doesn't change any game mechanics. It will affect things like how many models you can get in CC, or template weapons, but it doesn't actually change any mechanics.


But it changes the effects of those mechanics.

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 Schlyne wrote:
As I said roughly 2 months ago when I got the word from my local GW store manager, (which was when they started dropping the new bases), it is your choice if you want to switch to new bases or stick with the old ones.

Personally, I'm putting my 'nid warriors on the 50's. I had one set of warriors on the 40mm's and they barely fit on there as it is. The feet and the tails would stick out off the bases. Also, it doesn't make sense. A 'nid warrior is much bigger than a terminator. (Not that 'nids are in way scaled properly on the table )


surely it's happy days for the 'nid player? you can put your overbalancing hormogaunt variants on them for less hits from blast templates and even have them stand up on their own without help!

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 ImAGeek wrote:
Oh I see. It's swings and roundabouts I think; if you use the 32mm you'll get less models into combat, but you're also gonna be effected less by template weapons, as the opponent won't get as many models under their template.


You'll actually get more models into combat, since the models in base to base contact are on bigger bases, which means you can get models within 2" of them from further away from the enemy models.
   
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NauticalKendall wrote:
Their was a rule in the 6th edition book near the front saying you where to use which ever base you where supplied with inside the box. If you're given 25mm in the box, use those no rebasing required.

If you're given 32, well I would personal use the 32's.


I once ordered a box of Wraithguard for my eldar and received a bunch of 25mm bases.... I was ALMOST, that guy before I decided to get some proper bases.


Ok so since i bought my 30 metal wraithguard before the plastic ones came out and when they were still supplied with 25mm bases I am automatically a "That Guy"? Might want to check yourself before you post.

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morgoth wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
When the first BA kits with 32mm bases came out a few people emailed them and the reply was just that they chose 32mm for aesthetic reasons and you can use either. It doesn't change any game mechanics. It will affect things like how many models you can get in CC, or template weapons, but it doesn't actually change any mechanics.


But it changes the effects of those mechanics.


In all, but the most extreme situations, it boils down to possibly one, maybe two, less models in assault, or under a template.

   
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 insaniak wrote:
Freman Bloodglaive wrote:
The 7th Edition rulebook basically says that base sizes aren't important, just base them as you see fit..

No, it doesn't. It says to use the base the model came with, and if you get a model that has a non-standard base then you should use whatever a similar model has.


No it doesn't say that.

   
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Wonderwolf wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
Freman Bloodglaive wrote:
The 7th Edition rulebook basically says that base sizes aren't important, just base them as you see fit..

No, it doesn't. It says to use the base the model came with, and if you get a model that has a non-standard base then you should use whatever a similar model has.


No it doesn't say that.


Actually it does:

The rules in this book assume that models are mounted on the base they are supplied with. Sometimes, a player may have models in his collection on unusually modeled bases. Some models aren't supplied with bases at all. In these cases... you should always feel free to mount the model on a base of appropriate size if you wish, using models of similar type as guidance.

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 Xerics wrote:
NauticalKendall wrote:
Their was a rule in the 6th edition book near the front saying you where to use which ever base you where supplied with inside the box. If you're given 25mm in the box, use those no rebasing required.

If you're given 32, well I would personal use the 32's.


I once ordered a box of Wraithguard for my eldar and received a bunch of 25mm bases.... I was ALMOST, that guy before I decided to get some proper bases.


Ok so since i bought my 30 metal wraithguard before the plastic ones came out and when they were still supplied with 25mm bases I am automatically a "That Guy"? Might want to check yourself before you post.


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No, not really, but it really is remarkable how every two years a rather common model (say, TDAs) has a base change... and the troubles begin again as the great wheel of time turns

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 Ghaz wrote:
Wonderwolf wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
Freman Bloodglaive wrote:
The 7th Edition rulebook basically says that base sizes aren't important, just base them as you see fit..

No, it doesn't. It says to use the base the model came with, and if you get a model that has a non-standard base then you should use whatever a similar model has.


No it doesn't say that.


Actually it does:

The rules in this book assume that models are mounted on the base they are supplied with. Sometimes, a player may have models in his collection on unusually modeled bases. Some models aren't supplied with bases at all. In these cases... you should always feel free to mount the model on a base of appropriate size if you wish, using models of similar type as guidance.


No. It doesn't.

Where in that quote does it say that models need to be based on bases they are supplied with?
   
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I kinda like the bigger bases. Necrons would look great on them.
   
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 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
zilka86 wrote:
My understand is now you need to base things on 32mm sucka to have to rebase your army but that's way it is now so people not playing with 32mm are doing it wrong

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That's a little hopeful of you, isn't it?

I mean, sure, it'd be awesome if GW higher-ups were visiting the tabletop gaming forums to see how their product is perceived by their customers, but it's pretty clear that the only GW employees monitoring sites like DakkaDakka are working in the legal division.

...said the person who posted photos of a WD she got early and had them taken down from Photobucket by a C&D from GW within four hours.

More on-topic though, this is gonna be an annoying change, because I don't think 32mm bases will fit in the same foam alcoves that are designed for models on 25mm bases. The width and depth will be off.

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Wonderwolf wrote:
Where in that quote does it say that models need to be based on bases they are supplied with?

It doesn't. What it says is that the rules assume that they are. Which means that if they're not], then you put them outside of the bounds of the rules.

 
   
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 insaniak wrote:
Wonderwolf wrote:
Where in that quote does it say that models need to be based on bases they are supplied with?

It doesn't. What it says is that the rules assume that they are. Which means that if they're not], then you put them outside of the bounds of the rules.


Games Workshop could've been a lot more clear with that one. It's very open to interpretation. With a literal interpretation, there's no mention of any particular base size being mandatory for any model. With a looser interpretation, you start to wonder why, if there's not any definitive rules given there, they bothered to write it all out. Unfortunately, because Games Workshop's rules are often written in conversational language, this one could go either way as to what the writers actually intended to mean - in my opinion.
   
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I don't think GW really cares what you use, as long as you buy it from them

   
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 adamsouza wrote:
I don't think GW really cares what you use, as long as you buy it from them


This makes the most sense of all.
   
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 Pouncey wrote:
Games Workshop could've been a lot more clear with that one. It's very open to interpretation. With a literal interpretation, there's no mention of any particular base size being mandatory for any model. With a looser interpretation, you start to wonder why, if there's not any definitive rules given there, they bothered to write it all out. Unfortunately, because Games Workshop's rules are often written in conversational language, this one could go either way as to what the writers actually intended to mean - in my opinion.

The thing is, as much as GW have historically been all about the modelling, the rules have never really addressed conversions of any type. So yes, they don't address changing the on your model's base. They also don't address altering your models in any other way, or using proxies, or models from other companies... They simply assume that you're using the 'correct' models and leave anything different up to the players to sort out for themselves.

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