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 Blacksails wrote:
For the record...

Here is the full comment in the thread, which (if the link doesn't work) is page 13 of the 'Would you advise a beginner to start any GW game' thread.

The specific quote is this:

In essence what I´m saying is:

-GW´s sales will have increased after the last financial reports due to the vast amount of new product, some of them ( especially the Tyranid drop pod ) having been reported selling really well. This is true.
-Warhammer 40,000 is still an enjoyable game, with the largest playerbase in it´s field. This matter is subjective, and can therefore be true and false.
-Games Workshop is the largest, most successfull wargaming company in existence. This is true.

Emphasis mine, to show the specific line in question.

 RunicFIN wrote:
There is no denying the decline. I'm merely talking about the ridicilous doomsaying.

Careful, back peddling that furiously could snag the chain on something delicate.

Related to the OP, my regular "gaming club" swore up and down that after the last codex was released in hard-back, we are locking down -- no more codex upgrades.

I'm very interested to see how long this conviction sticks whenever the first pre-7th codex gets an update.

 Azreal13 wrote:

It's the first time we've been active in the same thread since the interim report dropped, and I'd quite forgotten!

Come on, Runic, out with it or what credibility you, may have had is going right down the toilet.

Go reread the discussion and the posts, as you have clearly interpreted something abysmally wrong or missed the bottom line.

Delicious.

I'm pretty sure the "3 horsemen, their steeds and various hangers on of GWpocalypse" have only talked about the decline and then followed up with
a) hope it's quick and someone good grabs the IP
b) if it's a long drawn out decline, nobody will touch the IP with a pointy stuck

But hey why let that get in the way of saying what boils down to "I don't like your opinion and think you shouldn't be able to say it"

 Azreal13 wrote:

 RunicFIN wrote:
There is no denying the decline. I'm merely talking about the ridicilous doomsaying.

Careful, back peddling that furiously could snag the chain on something delicate.

Have never stated they aren't in a slow decline. You can read it from the reports plain and simple. I am now interested why you would say I am backpedaling from something I have never said?

Oh wait, it's that habit of yours I just talked about, presented right now, right here, as a perfect example. Thank you.

I linked the specific claim.

Its abundantly clear what you meant, and in fact, was clarified during that thread. There is no room for interpretation.

Really at this point, your best bet is to admit your claim was wrong.

 RunicFIN wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 RunicFIN wrote:
There is no denying the decline. I'm merely talking about the ridicilous doomsaying.

Careful, back peddling that furiously could snag the chain on something delicate.

Have never stated they aren't in a slow decline. You can read it from the reports plain and simple. I am now interested why you would say I am backpedaling from something I have never said?

Oh wait, it's that habit of yours I just talked about, presented right now, right here, as a perfect example. Thank you.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270/633991.page#7565574

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:


Adjust the numbers for inflation and track them back to 2004 and you get a different picture. Relative to 2004, inflation adjusted gross revenue is down 50%. Adjust that 2007 low number for 2014 inflation rates, and it's actually slightly higher than the 2014 revenue.

Well, 2004 was still a "LoTR-year". If revenue is "only" down 50% it'd be less than I thought. GW certainly is at best 1/4 the company it was back than staff-wise, etc..

Most of that staff was in stores, that's a cost cutting measure, not a revenue related issue really. 2004 was on the tail end of the LotR train, but that alone should not explain the drop.

So excluding those, seems like 2014 was a slightly-poorer-than-2007 year, while 2012 and 2013 were slightly-better-than-2008 year, I still see only cyclicality at best. Nothing that inherently says .. um ... 2016 and 2017 couldn't be again slightly better than 2007 at the current business model (not saying it wouldn't be nice if they did switch things up though)

The bigger thing to keep in mind is that revenue during this time period is largely stagnant, while prices have risen dramatically. In 2007 Codex books were $20, some were $22 by the end of the year. In 2014 they were $50. In 2007 Land Raiders were $55, in 2014 they were $75. Guardsmen were $35 for 20 in 2007, in 2014 they were $30 for 10. Stagnant revenue coupled with increased prices means they're moving less product. This has unfortunate implications.

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
I'm pretty sure the "3 horsemen, their steeds and various hangers on of GWpocalypse" have only talked about the decline and then followed up with
a) hope it's quick and someone good grabs the IP
b) if it's a long drawn out decline, nobody will touch the IP with a pointy stuck

But hey why let that get in the way of saying what boils down to "I don't like your opinion and think you shouldn't be able to say it"

Next to:

c) spreading negative comments allround in general
d) repeating that they/some of them have quit the game for reason X, which has been perceived by anyone with a pair of eyes before, yet the behaviour is continous and adds no substance whatsoever
e) derailing each and every discussion related to 40K into a thread about how GW fails/game sucks/game is dying
f) attacking people who enjoy the game or like an aspect of it directly or indirectly ( admittedly, most of them abide the forum rules but are pretty good at doing this regardless )
g) doing what you just described to beforementioned users: not liking their positive opinion, criticizing it, and plain stating someone with a different opinion is wrong instead of just saying they disagree

Found some more from that thread.

Musashi363 wrote:
Soooo your "Proof" is six weeks away? So in other words, you have none. Yet demand proof beyond the financial reports put out by GW themselves? Wow!

I have some. I can PM you also ( but be prepared I will smear it in your face that I was correct. )

So, can you still PM your proof?

Needn't be to me, but please do say who you've sent it to.

 Azreal13 wrote:

Have never stated they aren't in a slow decline. You can read it from the reports plain and simple. I am now interested why you would say I am backpedaling from something I have never said?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270/633991.page#7565574

You linked me saying their decline can't be denied regarding me saying that I have never said that they aren't in a slow decline?

I think you were looking for a sentence where I say "GW isn't in decline."

 RunicFIN wrote:

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
I'm pretty sure the "3 horsemen, their steeds and various hangers on of GWpocalypse" have only talked about the decline and then followed up with
a) hope it's quick and someone good grabs the IP
b) if it's a long drawn out decline, nobody will touch the IP with a pointy stuck

But hey why let that get in the way of saying what boils down to "I don't like your opinion and think you shouldn't be able to say it"

Next to:

c) spreading negative comments allround in general
d) repeating that they/some of them have quit the game for reason X, which has been perceived by anyone with a pair of eyes before, yet the behaviour is continous and adds no substance whatsoever
e) derailing each and every discussion related to 40K into a thread about how GW fails/game sucks/game is dying
f) attacking people who enjoy the game or like an aspect of it directly or indirectly ( admittedly, most of them abide the forum rules but are pretty good at doing this regardless )
g) doing what you just described to beforementioned users: not liking their positive opinion, criticizing it, and plain stating someone with a different opinion is wrong instead of just saying they disagree

So, as Mozzyfuzzy said: you don't like it when people say things you don't like?

Does it hurt when you poop?


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 RunicFIN wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

Have never stated they aren't in a slow decline. You can read it from the reports plain and simple. I am now interested why you would say I am backpedaling from something I have never said?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270/633991.page#7565574

You linked me saying their decline can't be denied regarding me saying that I have never said that they aren't in a slow decline?

I think you were looking for a sentence where I say "GW isn't in decline."

You're trying to say their sales increased but that doesn't mean they've grown.

You're saying this about a company whose raison d'être is to sell stuff. There is no way that their sales can increase and they can't have grown, well, unless they got a massive licensing deal I guess.

But that hasn't happened.

It is impossible for a company that sells things to not grow if it sells more things.

Your whole preposition is ludicrous.

 RunicFIN wrote:

Next to:

c) spreading negative comments allround in general- opposite opinions don't make it negative
d) repeating that they/some of them have quit the game for reason X, which has been perceived by anyone with a pair of eyes before, yet the behaviour is continous and adds no substance whatsoever-Whilst continually stating that they'd love to get back into the game but can't because of the way they feel
e) derailing each and every discussion related to 40K into a thread about how GW fails/game sucks/game is dying- For this particular thread I'm pretty sure that they were on topic until it was used as an answer about being able to see the general state of affairs
f) attacking people who enjoy the game or like an aspect of it directly or indirectly ( admittedly, most of them abide the forum rules but are pretty good at doing this regardless )-As opposed to the group that enjoys the game that don't try very similar things, but they're ok because they like what GW's doing
g) doing what you just described to beforementioned users: not liking their positive opinion, criticizing it, and plain stating someone with a different opinion is wrong instead of just saying they disagree-I think that's called having a discussion, you know where you explain why somebody is wrong in their opinion

 Azreal13 wrote:
So, as Mozzyfuzzy said: you don't like it when people say things you don't like?

Or maybe I don't like the general behaviour described, among countless others.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Does it hurt when you poop?

And you wonder why you're worth the negative attention. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

Next to that you're being paradoxical regarding to what you accused me of in your angry PM before, as you are now guilty of that exact behaviour. Do think about it and see if you can spot it yourself. I can hear the cogs turning inside your head all the way out here.

Musashi is still waiting for the secret proof that GW is "increasing sales."

 RunicFIN wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
So, as Mozzyfuzzy said: you don't like it when people say things you don't like?

Or maybe I don't like the general behaviour described, among countless others.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Does it hurt when you poop?

And you wonder why you're worth the negative attention. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

Next to that you're being paradoxical regarding to what you accused me of in your angry PM before, as you are now guilty of that exact behaviour. Do think about it and see if you can spot it yourself. I can hear the cogs turning inside your head all the way out here.

MY angry PM? To YOU?

Priceless.

Only one of us has been sending angry PMs to the other, and it wasn't me, in fact, you do it so often to so many people it's kinda getting to be your "thing."

Please don't interpret replies to your PMs politely asking you to feth off and bother someone else as "angry." Frankly, I don't really remember much about em, and coupled with you dredging up stuff I posted from months ago that I also barely remembered, I'm starting to feel that you're far more in to me than I am into you.

Get a room

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm starting to feel that you're far more in to me than I am into you.

Oh but that's not the case, otherwise you would've quit in this thread ages ago. Still waiting for you to spot what behaviour you are displaying that you accused me ( and a few others ) of before.

You constantly analyze other peoples behaviour ( often followed by a description you have spiked up to your liking ) so do us all a favor and do it to yourself now.

You're failing to grasp exactly how amusing it is to me that you're completely incapable of realising when I'm joking, or to engage in anything more than po-faced srs toy soldier talk.

I could literally carry on like this forever.

 MWHistorian wrote:
Musashi is still waiting for the secret proof that GW is "increasing sales."

Secret proof sounds like some sort of Scientology thing

 Azreal13 wrote:
You're failing to grasp exactly how amusing it is to me that you're completely incapable of realising when I'm joking, or to engage in anything more than po-faced srs toy soldier talk.

I could literally carry on like this forever.

Like you said in a thread a few months ago: Humour 101: Be funny.

Nice sidetrack though. Now back to waiting for you to realize your oxymoronic behaviour in light of you analyzing everyone elses with an offensive twist. As a sidenote, did you say you run a company and are a CEO? If so, might you share the companys name?

No I ran a company before ill health forced me to wrap it up. It was dissolved a little over two years ago.

I think you'll find that just because you don't find something funny doesn't mean it isn't.

But really, the way you're (apparently) able to recall things I've said months ago is really suggesting you need to unclench and take a breath, this is a discussion forum about toy soldiers - you seem to be taking it waaay too much to heart.

 RunicFIN wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
You're failing to grasp exactly how amusing it is to me that you're completely incapable of realising when I'm joking, or to engage in anything more than po-faced srs toy soldier talk.

I could literally carry on like this forever.

Like you said in a thread a few months ago: Humour 101: Be funny.

Nice sidetrack though. Now back to waiting for you to realize your oxymoronic behaviour in light of you analyzing everyone elses with an offensive twist. As a sidenote, did you say you run a company and are a CEO? If so, might you share the companys name?

Why don't you let it go ?

You looked somewhat smart in your first posts (maybe), now he's dragged you down to his level and proceeding to beat you with experience (I don't know, I've got him on ignore, but he sure is dragging you down).

He has mentioned his C-level bs before when commenting on a financial report so simple a child could read it (but not him) so it's quite obvious he's just trying to get credibility by any slowed means possible.

 Azreal13 wrote:
No I ran a company before ill health forced me to wrap it up. It was dissolved a little over two years ago.

I think you'll find that just because you don't find something funny doesn't mean it isn't.

But really, the way you're (apparently) able to recall things I've said months ago is really suggesting you need to unclench and take a breath, this is a discussion forum about toy soldiers - you seem to be taking it waaay too much to heart.

I just have a really good memory.

This isn't the first time someone starts the discussion seriously but tries to steer it into a flippant one when a certain thing happens during the "discussion." Pointing it out is useless however; it will be denied because internet. I don't take the hobby in general too seriously, I wouldn't be modeling mentally ill Obliterators or making Rhinos that play disco music if I did. With some individuals it just doesn't pay off to be casual/flippant/unserious, whether they realize it or not.

Sad to hear you have such a limiting health issue.

morgoth wrote:
Why don't you let it go ?

You looked somewhat smart in your first posts (maybe), now he's dragged you down to his level and proceeding to beat you with experience (I don't know, I've got him on ignore, but he sure is dragging you down).

He has mentioned his C-level bs before when commenting on a financial report so simple a child could read it (but not him) so it's quite obvious he's just trying to get credibility by any slowed means possible.

Hmmh, in the light of that I guess I could.

So Runic still hasn't owned up to his false claim?

Honestly man, people would respect you more if you just manned up and admitted your claim was wrong. Everyone else already knows it, so you'd be saving face by owning it at this point.

Morgoth, I hold a first in Business And Communication from Southampton University. I tend not to explicitly mention what my qualifications are as it, to me, feels like showing off, but I will at least mention I hold qualifications when people like you somehow feel obliged to try and undermine my opinion not by countering it with facts and arguments of their own, but merely by casting aspersions.

Your analysis was wrong, I've explained why, yet you still continue to insist it's me - largely by telling me stuff I already understand that either confirms what I was saying or has no bearing on the matter being discussed.

I guess we can be charitable and put it down to a communication rather than an intellectual failure on your part huh? But seriously, if you learned the difference between net and gross, you'd maybe get what I was saying.

 Blacksails wrote:
So Runic still hasn't owned up to his false claim?

Honestly man, people would respect you more if you just manned up and admitted your claim was wrong. Everyone else already knows it, so you'd be saving face by owning it at this point.

I pinpointed before what my claim was, and I wasn't wrong, as it became reality. I claimed nothing else besides it. I feel some individuals didn't even know exactly what they were argumenting against, as they obviously got their financial terms mixed up. Azreal seemingly understood it perfectly for example.

 RunicFIN wrote:


I pinpointed before what my claim was, and I wasn't wrong, as it became reality. I claimed nothing else besides it. I feel some individuals didn't even know exactly what they were argumenting against, as they obviously got their financial terms mixed up.

-GW´s sales will have increased after the last financial reports due to the vast amount of new product, some of them ( especially the Tyranid drop pod ) having been reported selling really well. This is true.

Except we have the financial report which showed a decrease in revenue.

Unless you're seriously claiming their sales went up but revenue went down.

Give it a rest guys, its going sadly offtopic.
You dont get on, ok fine, tap the ignore button or just brush over eachs other posts.