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hi, i recently played a game against an ork army and he ran in his shooting phase and then also charged in the assault, i think you can do that but i just want to make sure. another thing, he said he had a rule called power of "waaagh" and we couldn't figure out on what it is (he only has 5th and 6th codex) any hints would be appreciated('');

Normally, no a unit cannot run in the shooting phase and then charge in the assault phase.
Orks, however have a special rule called "Waaagh!" on their warbosses that they may use once per game. This special rule allows every model in the army with the "'ere we go!" special rule to charge even if they made a run move earlier. Check the Warboss entry in the 7th edition Ork codex, if you have access to one. I"m not sure about their waaagh effects in the other editions.

I suggest you read the relevant rulebook section for finding out whether models may Run and then charge in the following Assault phase - it's very clearly stated whether this is allowed.

Your friend should read his codex to find out what the Power of the Waaagh! is. If it is not in his codex then he should stick to using the rules from that codex alone.

thanks, i am a bit annoyed as he managed to take out an entire assault squad by running and then charging 3 times. even though i dont play orks i am still going to try to get 7th ork codex as there were a few rules he was unsure on especially how much dakka each of the ork planes can have, any ideas?
thanks agian

It might be ok, under certain circumstances, for a veteran player who has had his codex for years to play a game without his book for reference. This is because he would be extremely familiar with all his rules. (It's still only a maybe, though, because if a rules conflict arises, it's not possible for him to provide the verbatim rules for comparison.)

For a player to try and mix rules from several different versions of the Ork codex, and for him to not even OWN or have read the current codex, is just barmy.
My usual approach is that if my opponent doesn't have his codex, and makes claims that seem overpowered and against the BRB, then I don't let him do it. Too easy to misremember (or, unfortunately, lie).

He should get the latest Codex.
A Dakkajet clearly says what weapons it has and the profile-page clearly says how often they shoot.

Sounds like your friend is cherry picking the best things from 6th ed codex and then trying to apply 7th ed changes.

You can't (or at least shouldn't) do that. Either play with one codex or the other... no taking some from that and some from this.

Very poor gamesmanship on that one.

Generally orks can call a Waaagh once per game, that allows all units (with ere we go) to run and charge for that turn only. There are some cases when you can never call a Waagh during a game (if a Warboss is not your Warlord), and at least one case where the ork player can call a Waaagh every turn except the first.

It sounds like your buddy didn't know his codex; but you should be aware that orks can have a 17"-30" charge range (depending on a few factors) when they waaagh.

Also just nitpicking here, but there is no 6th ed ork codex. There is one (paperback) that was written at the start of 5th ed, and the current codex that was written at the start of 7th ed.

I would also suggest that if he brings up a rule, and you ask him about, and he isn't able to show you the rule in writing in either the codex or the BRB, then he is not allowed to use it.

That's my rule when I play people. If, when pressed, they are unable to produce the material for the rule they are trying to execute, then I say they can't do it.

Simplest solution: ask.

Your opponent does something you're not familiar with, ask about it. It's a social game, communicate.

thank you guys. loads of replies, the problem is that he (who is quite new and not all that familiar with the rules) bought an ork jet (i think it is meant to be a dakka jet) and equipped it with almost every weapon available. it had 3 twin linked big shootas ,a few bombs and some scorchas i think, i was wondering if he could do this.

I definitely think I will get the new ork codex , the reason i find this annoying is that he has done it several times and gets very huffy so if i can definitively prove it he cannot argue. i have been playing 40k for about 4-5 years now but he has only been playing for 9 months so dosent really now the rules very well so i give a bit of lee way. thanks guys, again if you could post the options of for the ork jets it would be very appreciated.

Once a game he can Waagh if he has a warboss as his warlord. Furthermore his dakkajets get 1 more shot for each gun.

He can either have a Dakkajet, a Blitza Bomba or a Burna Bomba.

Blitzabombas get 2 bombs and 2 guns

Dakkajets get 3 supashootas
and
Burna bombas get 2 Burna Bombs and up to 6 skorcha missiles as well as 2 guns.

He cant mix and match those weapons though. its either one of the three or hes cheating

thanks he had almost all, i will bring it up next time a battle him (might not be for a while as he is annoyed at me beating him at the weekend, he is not a good sport and he will just bring down the game for me)

Dont play him. I play to win but its not worth playing if its not fun for everyone. If your playing a game and its not fun then its work

yeah, he is a really bad loser, to make things worse he isnt that good at 40k either

If he's using the old codex from 5th, point out the WAAAGH rule grants him fleet. Look in the rule book and read fleet. If you playing in 5th, it works, 6&7 it doesn't.

7th with the new ork dex you can run and assault again.


For the jets, the old rules in the white dwarf & aerial assault the jets got 2x the shots, with the new dex its just 1 extra.

Settle on a rules edition, and then have him agree to abide by the rules for the edition you're playing. Don't try to mix and match the rule sets, it will only end badly.

we have we settled on 7th but its just he doesn't have that edition codex (don't know why he chose 7th, he doesn't even have that edition rule book but we both have 4-6th edition rules and codexs anyway) i don't think i will battle him anytime soon anyway, in our last battle he took losing quite badly and then he made up loads of lies about the match later on and tolled all the other players at my club :(

 the clone wrote:
yeah, he is a really bad loser, to make things worse he isnt that good at 40k either

he's new to the game and already a sore loser? oh man, I have very bad news for you...

change his stance on defeat while you can! Ths kind of neckbeardness can't be cured later!

And he plays Orks?!

Oh man, usually Ork players are the best about losing as stuff randomly blows up and goes all wonky on them.

In an ork's eyes they never lose. that's even in the codex. So show him that section and maybe he will cheer up a bit.

 Icculus wrote:
And he plays Orks?!

Oh man, usually Ork players are the best about losing as stuff randomly blows up and goes all wonky on them.

In an ork's eyes they never lose. that's even in the codex. So show him that section and maybe he will cheer up a bit.

ya Orks are the comic relief. It's not weather you win or lose, it's how spectacularly you can die

Tell him not to think of himself as the great Warboss struggling to win, Think from the perspective of the grots hiding in the back laughing hysterically at the carnage

ooooh, he's going to shoot his Shock Attack Gun, I bet 5 teeth it blows up in his face.

Yeah, Orks are a very unforgiving force and possibly one of the hardest to play well.

As a new player, you need to accept defeats quite a lot.

Can't Orcs waaagh every turn after the the first with the Orc Horde formation (or detachment?). Or is that the Ghaazgul supplement?

Also There is The Orc Fighta, Fighta-Bomma, Bomma, Blasta Bomma with regards to flyers...

 deevil wrote:
Can't Orcs waaagh every turn after the the first with the Orc Horde formation (or detachment?). Or is that the Ghaazgul supplement?

Yes, the Ork Horde Formation and Green Tide Formation allow this.

No idea if either were used in this case though.

In his defense, it is pretty hard to get all the rules right as a beginner, or as a not-so beginner

It would be very helpful if you could find a neutral 3rd party who could help administrate these cases. Getting all the codexes, supplements and rule books would be the first thing to do, however.

 JimOnMars wrote:
In his defense, it is pretty hard to get all the rules right as a beginner, or as a not-so beginner

It would be very helpful if you could find a neutral 3rd party who could help administrate these cases. Getting all the codexes, supplements and rule books would be the first thing to do, however.

On the other hand, holding one book and trying to use abilities out of a newer addition, not in hand, rings more of neck beard, DnD rules abuse that takes advantage of others goodwill. I'm pretty hostile to people ignoring the plain English (even for G'dub) of a unit entry in a codex.

BTW: I play DnD, it's just classic sloppy rule lawyering crops up there more than anywhere else.

Thanks guys i will try to show him that winning should not be the most important thing, if you lose (much as used to do all the time) you should try to learn from that and improve with tactics. on the point of the rules i give a bit of leeway as he is relatively new but i am not going to let him cherry pick rules from different editions so we will probably play 6th with him. anyway it is hard to learn the rules especially if you don't even own the 7th rules but he will always argue with me about something such as my armour saves, if something is in sight(this especially) and about how armour piercing works. thank you guys it has been really helpful

The problem here is you are even letting him play.

You aren't doing him any favors by mixing rules and using outdated rule sets. This will make it even harder to learn.

He needs to pony up and get the latest codex for his army.

Yeah, i think you are right. \

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
It might be ok, under certain circumstances, for a veteran player who has had his codex for years to play a game without his book for reference. This is because he would be extremely familiar with all his rules. (It's still only a maybe, though, because if a rules conflict arises, it's not possible for him to provide the verbatim rules for comparison.)

That's kind of dick think to do, even if he has 100% memorized because he can't show his opponent who is not familiar/as familiar with the codex the proof.

 the clone wrote:
hi, i recently played a game against an ork army and he ran in his shooting phase and then also charged in the assault, i think you can do that but i just want to make sure. another thing, he said he had a rule called power of "waaagh" and we couldn't figure out on what it is (he only has 5th and 6th codex) any hints would be appreciated('');

Soooo, you played someone who 'thought' he knew how things worked, didn't have his rule book and interpreted for his own advantage. I'm sorry, but dice down. He can either play wit the rules he has, and you can agree to that, or he goes an dbuys the new rule book.


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 the clone wrote:
thank you guys. loads of replies, the problem is that he (who is quite new and not all that familiar with the rules) bought an ork jet (i think it is meant to be a dakka jet) and equipped it with almost every weapon available. it had 3 twin linked big shootas ,a few bombs and some scorchas i think, i was wondering if he could do this.

I definitely think I will get the new ork codex , the reason i find this annoying is that he has done it several times and gets very huffy so if i can definitively prove it he cannot argue. i have been playing 40k for about 4-5 years now but he has only been playing for 9 months so dosent really now the rules very well so i give a bit of lee way. thanks guys, again if you could post the options of for the ork jets it would be very appreciated.

And this is some B*&&$#^T. !) he can't do that, 2) he just made something ridiculous up, and forced you to go along with it. Sorry, but if you don't call him on this, then he's going to play someone who will, and that will be a hundred times worse than his buddy putting his foot down and getting him to play by the rules.

And if he can afford a dakka jet, he can afford a codex.