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Azreal13 wrote: I asked you for examples of where I'd made outlandish claims and failed to back them up with evidence or a compelling argument, not threads where I was defending myself from a user who has taken any opportunity to jump down my throat for months.
Or just one of the many users who finds your arrogance and seemingly OCD level habit of twisting other users words and behaviour and then presenting it in a completely different light irksome. I for example have not waited to jump at your throat for months. You're just annoying as a person.
Someone might make a completely valid argument and even back it up. Your response is often along the general lines of "X is just making arguments that have no substance and are as coherent as a band of raving lepers."
Your defense when argumenting, which is infact offense, includes a statement inwhich you supposedly just singlehandedly decide someones argument is invalid in one or numerous ways ( decided and conjured from thin air by you ) with the added offensive, sometimes partially humorous twist.
Start behaving better and seize to attract such attention. Next to that you weren't defending yourself in said thread, you were being childish and on the offensive, and no amount of squirming that will surely follow will change this fact.
"Does it hurt when you poop? Watching over them like an oversensitive batman."
Not the words I'd expect from a person you make yourself out to be on these forums ( aside from this behaviour. ) Get over yourself.
My own opinion regarding the apparent topic is that playing a list that utilizes the most broken combinations in the game does not equal skill. I've seen examples of people that do think that though. There is a Necron player I know ( just for example ) that used to say he is a really good player when playing his Necrons ( which consisted from 3 Annibarges, CCB, and a minimum of 6 flyers without exception. ) He said he is only "okay" when playing his Blood Angels ( old Codex. ) Atleast he was honest.
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Quickjager wrote: Or you can just accept the fact people hate certain units in your army and get over it.
lol nothing for me to get over nice try bro I am perfectly fine with people hating the Tau but crying that they're OP when their not gets tiresome. That goes for anyone saying they can't win against any unit or any army just because their quote unquote "OP".
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Tau have op units but in and of itself, no they are no longer op, riptides and missile sides are on the knife edge off powerful to op but that's about it.
Everyone has one or more of there own units like this, my black knights for example, God damned nasty when spammed.
Formosa wrote: Tau have op units but in and of itself, no they are no longer op, riptides and missile sides are on the knife edge off powerful to op but that's about it.
Everyone has one or more of there own units like this, my black knights for example, God damned nasty when spammed.
Oh for sure I totally agree with you that they're strong but by no means are they these invincible things that people continually complain about and as you mentioned other armies have stronger if not just a strong units. Its just a complaint I don't like in general as to me it feels like people are just giving up and creating an excuse why they can't beat it.
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Well the thing is, the thread was meant to revolve around whether or not a winning percentage of 50% was "proof" that a certain army is "cheezy"
I'm convinced of some things 6 pages in:
1. No. It's not proof.
2. Cheezy is an OVER used term. Good lord its over used and its definition never agreed upon anyways.
3. LOTS of mising data, so really how can you even evaluate it without an even number of very good generals taking an even number of cracks at it using all the armies. You'd need expert generals playing 320 games or so (by my estimation) just to even know for sure. And whose got that kind of time in a year? No one.
So really I am satisfied that this data doesnt disprove or prove anything other than that many good players have chosen to play some armies more than others yet we don't know if they could do the same with others simply by dent of the fact they never even tried.
So we're spinning in circles.
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Formosa wrote: Tau have op units but in and of itself, no they are no longer op, riptides and missile sides are on the knife edge off powerful to op but that's about it.
Everyone has one or more of there own units like this, my black knights for example, God damned nasty when spammed.
Oh for sure I totally agree with you that they're strong but by no means are they these invincible things that people continually complain about and as you mentioned other armies have stronger if not just a strong units. Its just a complaint I don't like in general as to me it feels like people are just giving up and creating an excuse why they can't beat it.
yeah lol, I surprised people don't cry cheese at me when I rad grenade a riptide then hit it with 8 plasma talons then a demolisher, I haven't seen one survive that yet, even with 3++, I plan on dealing with wraiths the same way, if they advance on me I will just hit them with my knights (now they are t4) 50 + twin linked bolters, plasma talons and demolishers will ruin there day, then assault what's left with the knights and hit/run away end of there turn, I know real life it's not that easy but meh
Formosa wrote: Tau have op units but in and of itself, no they are no longer op, riptides and missile sides are on the knife edge off powerful to op but that's about it.
Everyone has one or more of there own units like this, my black knights for example, God damned nasty when spammed.
Oh for sure I totally agree with you that they're strong but by no means are they these invincible things that people continually complain about and as you mentioned other armies have stronger if not just a strong units. Its just a complaint I don't like in general as to me it feels like people are just giving up and creating an excuse why they can't beat it.
yeah lol, I surprised people don't cry cheese at me when I rad grenade a riptide then hit it with 8 plasma talons then a demolisher, I haven't seen one survive that yet, even with 3++, I plan on dealing with wraiths the same way, if they advance on me I will just hit them with my knights (now they are t4) 50 + twin linked bolters, plasma talons and demolishers will ruin there day, then assault what's left with the knights and hit/run away end of there turn, I know real life it's not that easy but meh
To be honest, they probably don't call cheese against your rad grenades, plasma talons and your demolisher for one reason:
Azreal13 wrote: I asked you for examples of where I'd made outlandish claims and failed to back them up with evidence or a compelling argument, not threads where I was defending myself from a user who has taken any opportunity to jump down my throat for months.
Or just one of the many users who finds your arrogance and seemingly OCD level habit of twisting other users words and behaviour and then presenting it in a completely different light irksome. I for example have not waited to jump at your throat for months. You're just annoying as a person.
Someone might make a completely valid argument and even back it up. Your response is often along the general lines of "X is just making arguments that have no substance and are as coherent as a band of raving lepers."
Your defense when argumenting, which is infact offense, includes a statement inwhich you supposedly just singlehandedly decide someones argument is invalid in one or numerous ways ( decided and conjured from thin air by you ) with the added offensive, sometimes partially humorous twist.
Start behaving better and seize to attract such attention. Next to that you weren't defending yourself in said thread, you were being childish and on the offensive, and no amount of squirming that will surely follow will change this fact.
"Does it hurt when you poop? Watching over them like an oversensitive batman."
Not the words I'd expect from a person you make yourself out to be on these forums ( aside from this behaviour. ) Get over yourself.
I won't be held responsible for you inability to spot, or grasp, any attempt I make at humour. Or simply your ability to choose to act outraged because you get something out of it.
I won't be changing my personality nor my posting style just to protect your sensibilities, and I'm frankly tired of the constant haranguing, so please either put me on ignore and really, really mean it or just over your own self get.
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I'm with you grey Templar, it may just be because I don't have many dark eldar players at my local store but I have never seen a scary dark eldar list, not one. Granted I have only played a handful of games against a pure dark eldar list but those games were cake walks.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Further I rarely see in all my time searching through torrent of fire, dakka, and the rest of the net posts for "competitive" dark eldar. Kinda like seeing a "competitve" Black Templar list. You just don't see it.
Tau cheese is kinda funny to me, the it's a shooting only army that is bs3 across the board. Yes they have marker lights but take those out and you neuter the army.
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Epartalis wrote: I'm with you grey Templar, it may just be because I don't have many dark eldar players at my local store but I have never seen a scary dark eldar list, not one. Granted I have only played a handful of games against a pure dark eldar list but those games were cake walks.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Further I rarely see in all my time searching through torrent of fire, dakka, and the rest of the net posts for "competitive" dark eldar. Kinda like seeing a "competitve" Black Templar list. You just don't see it.
Tau cheese is kinda funny to me, the it's a shooting only army that is bs3 across the board. Yes they have marker lights but take those out and you neuter the army.
If the Riptide was toned down a bit and Vespids buffed a bit, they'd be darn near passable in external and internal balance.
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Epartalis wrote: I'm with you grey Templar, it may just be because I don't have many dark eldar players at my local store but I have never seen a scary dark eldar list, not one. Granted I have only played a handful of games against a pure dark eldar list but those games were cake walks.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Further I rarely see in all my time searching through torrent of fire, dakka, and the rest of the net posts for "competitive" dark eldar. Kinda like seeing a "competitve" Black Templar list. You just don't see it.
Tau cheese is kinda funny to me, the it's a shooting only army that is bs3 across the board. Yes they have marker lights but take those out and you neuter the army.
You definitely have to play a skilled DE player, but I've seen some nasty lists. The problem is DE are so fragile that unless they can outmaneuver you or get in first, they just get shot to pieces
Epartalis wrote: I'm with you grey Templar, it may just be because I don't have many dark eldar players at my local store but I have never seen a scary dark eldar list, not one. Granted I have only played a handful of games against a pure dark eldar list but those games were cake walks.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Further I rarely see in all my time searching through torrent of fire, dakka, and the rest of the net posts for "competitive" dark eldar. Kinda like seeing a "competitve" Black Templar list. You just don't see it.
Tau cheese is kinda funny to me, the it's a shooting only army that is bs3 across the board. Yes they have marker lights but take those out and you neuter the army.
If the Riptide was toned down a bit and Vespids buffed a bit, they'd be darn near passable in external and internal balance.
The Riptide does not need to be toned down though, really what needs to be changed is the points cost for the Ion Accelerator as even I can agree its to low. Other then that its perfectly fine, if were talking about toning down the Riptide then Grey Knight Dreadknights should also be in the discussion.
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Epartalis wrote: I'm with you grey Templar, it may just be because I don't have many dark eldar players at my local store but I have never seen a scary dark eldar list, not one. Granted I have only played a handful of games against a pure dark eldar list but those games were cake walks.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Further I rarely see in all my time searching through torrent of fire, dakka, and the rest of the net posts for "competitive" dark eldar. Kinda like seeing a "competitve" Black Templar list. You just don't see it.
Tau cheese is kinda funny to me, the it's a shooting only army that is bs3 across the board. Yes they have marker lights but take those out and you neuter the army.
If the Riptide was toned down a bit and Vespids buffed a bit, they'd be darn near passable in external and internal balance.
The Riptide does not need to be toned down though, really what needs to be changed is the points cost for the Ion Accelerator as even I can agree its to low. Other then that its perfectly fine, if were talking about toning down the Riptide then Grey Knight Dreadknights should also be in the discussion.
No, not really. The Dreadknight can't disintegrate my entire list from 60" away and LOL at any return fire. The Dreadknight has to put itself much more in harms way. The base chasis of the Riptide needs a points boost and then the ion accelerator needs banned or a massive boost. Pointing to a squad and having the whole thing picked up from 60" on a platform that can't be killed is insane. And Riptides effectively can't be killed at 60".
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Epartalis wrote: I'm with you grey Templar, it may just be because I don't have many dark eldar players at my local store but I have never seen a scary dark eldar list, not one. Granted I have only played a handful of games against a pure dark eldar list but those games were cake walks.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Further I rarely see in all my time searching through torrent of fire, dakka, and the rest of the net posts for "competitive" dark eldar. Kinda like seeing a "competitve" Black Templar list. You just don't see it.
Tau cheese is kinda funny to me, the it's a shooting only army that is bs3 across the board. Yes they have marker lights but take those out and you neuter the army.
If the Riptide was toned down a bit and Vespids buffed a bit, they'd be darn near passable in external and internal balance.
The Riptide does not need to be toned down though, really what needs to be changed is the points cost for the Ion Accelerator as even I can agree its to low. Other then that its perfectly fine, if were talking about toning down the Riptide then Grey Knight Dreadknights should also be in the discussion.
No, not really. The Dreadknight can't disintegrate my entire list from 60" away and LOL at any return fire. The Dreadknight has to put itself much more in harms way. The base chasis of the Riptide needs a points boost and then the ion accelerator needs banned or a massive boost. Pointing to a squad and having the whole thing picked up from 60" on a platform that can't be killed is insane. And Riptides effectively can't be killed at 60".
Though I agree 1v1 a riptide is far stronger than a single dreadknight but how often do you see a dreadknight without his civil partner(s) coming at you?
Epartalis wrote: I'm with you grey Templar, it may just be because I don't have many dark eldar players at my local store but I have never seen a scary dark eldar list, not one. Granted I have only played a handful of games against a pure dark eldar list but those games were cake walks.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Further I rarely see in all my time searching through torrent of fire, dakka, and the rest of the net posts for "competitive" dark eldar. Kinda like seeing a "competitve" Black Templar list. You just don't see it.
Tau cheese is kinda funny to me, the it's a shooting only army that is bs3 across the board. Yes they have marker lights but take those out and you neuter the army.
If the Riptide was toned down a bit and Vespids buffed a bit, they'd be darn near passable in external and internal balance.
The Riptide does not need to be toned down though, really what needs to be changed is the points cost for the Ion Accelerator as even I can agree its to low. Other then that its perfectly fine, if were talking about toning down the Riptide then Grey Knight Dreadknights should also be in the discussion.
No, not really. The Dreadknight can't disintegrate my entire list from 60" away and LOL at any return fire. The Dreadknight has to put itself much more in harms way. The base chasis of the Riptide needs a points boost and then the ion accelerator needs banned or a massive boost. Pointing to a squad and having the whole thing picked up from 60" on a platform that can't be killed is insane. And Riptides effectively can't be killed at 60".
Riptide is not better then a Dreadknight for a few reasons:
-For 50 points cheaper the Dreadknight only has 1 less wound.
-Both have a 2+5+ and before you say it the Riptide Invulnerable save has a 1/3 chance to fail and hurt itself with NO saves of any kind.
-Exagerration clearly on the points boost, I would say max upgrade the Ion Accelerator to 20pts. and leave the model as because its perfectly balanced. If the Riptide goes up, the Dreadknight better go up to, typical Tau hate.
-60 inch range does not matter when you can move 12 inches every turn on top of a free 30 shunt move putting you RIGHT in front of your opponent, or even better Deepstrike in on turn 1.
-Access to Psychic powers which can give your Gatling Psilencer Instant Death, Flamer and Sword for cheaper then most upgraded Riptides
Sorry your argument is incorrect, a single Dreadknight would WOOP a single Riptide.
Didn't mean to derail the thread, just needed to educate. In regards to a 50% win percentage being cheesy no idea how or why that would even be or come up in a conversation or game. If people are accusing you that its only your army is why your doing so well (like Eldar, Imperium Army Shenanigans, Necrons or whatever you play) let them. You play with the armies and units you want to play with, the only thing I would always keep in mind is what kind of game it is (friendly, competitive ect.) and also the skill level of your opponent.
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Only the forgeworld riptides really need a nerf. In a world with grav cannons, eldar, and Knights, I don't think the riptide is so horrendously op. Ion accelerator could use a price bump, but that's about it.
I think the biggest offending monstrous creature in the game right now is the wraith knight.
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Epartalis wrote: I'm with you grey Templar, it may just be because I don't have many dark eldar players at my local store but I have never seen a scary dark eldar list, not one. Granted I have only played a handful of games against a pure dark eldar list but those games were cake walks.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Further I rarely see in all my time searching through torrent of fire, dakka, and the rest of the net posts for "competitive" dark eldar. Kinda like seeing a "competitve" Black Templar list. You just don't see it.
Tau cheese is kinda funny to me, the it's a shooting only army that is bs3 across the board. Yes they have marker lights but take those out and you neuter the army.
If the Riptide was toned down a bit and Vespids buffed a bit, they'd be darn near passable in external and internal balance.
The Riptide does not need to be toned down though, really what needs to be changed is the points cost for the Ion Accelerator as even I can agree its to low. Other then that its perfectly fine, if were talking about toning down the Riptide then Grey Knight Dreadknights should also be in the discussion.
The fact that it pays the same for EWO is crazy. 5 points for EWO on a Riptide... what?
edit: eh only EWO is really that nuts.
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Epartalis wrote: I'm with you grey Templar, it may just be because I don't have many dark eldar players at my local store but I have never seen a scary dark eldar list, not one. Granted I have only played a handful of games against a pure dark eldar list but those games were cake walks.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Further I rarely see in all my time searching through torrent of fire, dakka, and the rest of the net posts for "competitive" dark eldar. Kinda like seeing a "competitve" Black Templar list. You just don't see it.
Tau cheese is kinda funny to me, the it's a shooting only army that is bs3 across the board. Yes they have marker lights but take those out and you neuter the army.
If the Riptide was toned down a bit and Vespids buffed a bit, they'd be darn near passable in external and internal balance.
The Riptide does not need to be toned down though, really what needs to be changed is the points cost for the Ion Accelerator as even I can agree its to low. Other then that its perfectly fine, if were talking about toning down the Riptide then Grey Knight Dreadknights should also be in the discussion.
The fact that it pays the same for EWO is crazy. 5 points for EWO on a Riptide... what?
edit: eh only EWO is really that nuts.
Well 5 points for master crafted (Dreadknight's sword) is also retry nuts.
Riptide is not better then a Dreadknight for a few reasons:
-For 50 points cheaper the Dreadknight only has 1 less wound.
-Both have a 2+5+ and before you say it the Riptide Invulnerable save has a 1/3 chance to fail and hurt itself with NO saves of any kind.
-Exagerration clearly on the points boost, I would say max upgrade the Ion Accelerator to 20pts. and leave the model as because its perfectly balanced. If the Riptide goes up, the Dreadknight better go up to, typical Tau hate.
-60 inch range does not matter when you can move 12 inches every turn on top of a free 30 shunt move putting you RIGHT in front of your opponent, or even better Deepstrike in on turn 1.
-Access to Psychic powers which can give your Gatling Psilencer Instant Death, Flamer and Sword for cheaper then most upgraded Riptides
Sorry your argument is incorrect, a single Dreadknight would WOOP a single Riptide.
Didn't mean to derail the thread, just needed to educate. In regards to a 50% win percentage being cheesy no idea how or why that would even be or come up in a conversation or game. If people are accusing you that its only your army is why your doing so well (like Eldar, Imperium Army Shenanigans, Necrons or whatever you play) let them. You play with the armies and units you want to play with, the only thing I would always keep in mind is what kind of game it is (friendly, competitive ect.) and also the skill level of your opponent.
He wasn't saying that a Dreadknight couldn't beat a Riptide, he was (correctly) stating that the Riptide is able to do its damage from further away than the Dreadknight can. The DK has to subject itself to plasma guns, melta guns, force weapons (potentially), and the regular long ranged AT weapons in order to do its damage. The Riptide can usually sit far enough back to only worry about the long ranged stuff.
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Epartalis wrote: I'm with you grey Templar, it may just be because I don't have many dark eldar players at my local store but I have never seen a scary dark eldar list, not one. Granted I have only played a handful of games against a pure dark eldar list but those games were cake walks.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Further I rarely see in all my time searching through torrent of fire, dakka, and the rest of the net posts for "competitive" dark eldar. Kinda like seeing a "competitve" Black Templar list. You just don't see it.
Tau cheese is kinda funny to me, the it's a shooting only army that is bs3 across the board. Yes they have marker lights but take those out and you neuter the army.
If the Riptide was toned down a bit and Vespids buffed a bit, they'd be darn near passable in external and internal balance.
The Riptide does not need to be toned down though, really what needs to be changed is the points cost for the Ion Accelerator as even I can agree its to low. Other then that its perfectly fine, if were talking about toning down the Riptide then Grey Knight Dreadknights should also be in the discussion.
The fact that it pays the same for EWO is crazy. 5 points for EWO on a Riptide... what?
edit: eh only EWO is really that nuts.
Well 5 points for master crafted (Dreadknight's sword) is also retry nuts.
10pts, 5pts more than the hammer that gives concussive.
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Epartalis wrote: I'm with you grey Templar, it may just be because I don't have many dark eldar players at my local store but I have never seen a scary dark eldar list, not one. Granted I have only played a handful of games against a pure dark eldar list but those games were cake walks.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Further I rarely see in all my time searching through torrent of fire, dakka, and the rest of the net posts for "competitive" dark eldar. Kinda like seeing a "competitve" Black Templar list. You just don't see it.
Tau cheese is kinda funny to me, the it's a shooting only army that is bs3 across the board. Yes they have marker lights but take those out and you neuter the army.
If the Riptide was toned down a bit and Vespids buffed a bit, they'd be darn near passable in external and internal balance.
The Riptide does not need to be toned down though, really what needs to be changed is the points cost for the Ion Accelerator as even I can agree its to low. Other then that its perfectly fine, if were talking about toning down the Riptide then Grey Knight Dreadknights should also be in the discussion.
No, not really. The Dreadknight can't disintegrate my entire list from 60" away and LOL at any return fire. The Dreadknight has to put itself much more in harms way. The base chasis of the Riptide needs a points boost and then the ion accelerator needs banned or a massive boost. Pointing to a squad and having the whole thing picked up from 60" on a platform that can't be killed is insane. And Riptides effectively can't be killed at 60".
Riptide is not better then a Dreadknight for a few reasons:
-For 50 points cheaper the Dreadknight only has 1 less wound.
The Riptide pays roughly 40-50 points per wound as it is, so this seems fair. The riptide is a lot more survivable between not relying on pyskers, long range weapons, and better saves as well, so really the dreadknight seems over priced in relation.
Note I say in relation. I am not saying either is priced fairly, but relatively speaking,so far it seems the dreadknight is more fairly costed.
-Both have a 2+5+ and before you say it the Riptide Invulnerable save has a 1/3 chance to fail and hurt itself with NO saves of any kind.
True. However, your point is very misleading.
Let's not forget that first off, the failure happens less then half the time, and the survival jump is about equal to the chances of wounding (33%).
The Riptide can gain FnP as well, which helps.
The Riptide is not likely to be targetted by grav weapons, plasma, melta, or any other weapon it should fear unless the unit is deep striked. The Dreadknight really wants to touch you, while the Riptide wants to hang on the opposite table edge and fire at you.
It is very easy for the Riptide to hug cover.
The Riptides weapons can gain ignore cover or BS improvements from the rest of the army, which is huge on a unit like this.
-Exagerration clearly on the points boost, I would say max upgrade the Ion Accelerator to 20pts. and leave the model as because its perfectly balanced. If the Riptide goes up, the Dreadknight better go up to, typical Tau hate.
See my points above. Both should go up, imo, but the Riptide needs about 2-3 times the point increase of the dreadknight.
-60 inch range does not matter when you can move 12 inches every turn on top of a free 30 shunt move putting you RIGHT in front of your opponent, or even better Deepstrike in on turn 1.
12 Inches plus 30 is only 42, so it still loses to the 60 range of the gun. If it deepstrikes, it can't assault.
So the Riptide is doing it's thing turn 1, while the dreadknight is waiting till turn 2 or later depending on incoming fire. In a game that lasts only 5-7 turns, that can be a huge improvement on table presence.
Let's not forget the dreadknight is moving forward, into enemy fire. A unit of TWC can destroy a dreadknight if properly kitted. They have a much harder time dealing with a riptide.
Sorry your argument is incorrect, a single Dreadknight would WOOP a single Riptide.
Luckily that would never happen. When discussing balance, you don't put two units on the table and have them fight each other.
You discuss their impact on metas or armies. The Riptide has a much larger presence here.
Or are you saying markerlights are useless? After all, nearly every unit in the game walks over pathfinders 1v1.
Didn't mean to derail the thread, just needed to educate. In regards to a 50% win percentage being cheesy no idea how or why that would even be or come up in a conversation or game. If people are accusing you that its only your army is why your doing so well (like Eldar, Imperium Army Shenanigans, Necrons or whatever you play) let them. You play with the armies and units you want to play with, the only thing I would always keep in mind is what kind of game it is (friendly, competitive ect.) and also the skill level of your opponent.
No problem, I don't mind a little education myself when it is being provided.
Some armies are harder to win with then others. In a balanced game, this would be a matchup discussion (Like how Cryx has an advantage against Skorne, but has issues with cygnar. Skorne has an advantage against cygnar). In 40k, certain codexes are just head and shoulders above others. They are flat out easier to win with then others.
In 40k, these dexes are Tau, Eldar, IoM (needs allies to achieve this often, but it certainly can), and Necrons. My meta disallows Knights so I won't comment there.
If you are winning with these armies it's not as impressive as winning with, say, De or DA.
Some people get mad at that, I can understand why. It's not always their fault that their codex is overpowered. But reality is reality.
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19th Krieg Siege Army 7500pts.
40k/HH Night Lords 5000pts.
Orks Waaaghmacht Spearhead 2500pts.
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