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Chaos. No question. Dark Eldar do what they do to survive. Chaos does it because they want to.

In my opinion I do think Dark Eldar are evil, however in saying that their scope is totally self focused on their immediate surroundings. Chaos on the other hand want to destroy the galaxy. You know how the saying goes, "Let the galaxy burn". Totally ironic since the destruction of all life in the galaxy actually leads to the end of the Chaos Gods existences.

So I voted Chaos because their scope is much larger in their intent on destruction.

I like how every one of those discussions brings out the general ignorance about Eldar and Dark Eldar.

Last time people even argued that Eldar were anything but Good, and now we have the Dark Eldar being more evil than Chaos.

Please just read some of the Eldar and Dark Eldar fluff before answering those questions....

Having read Dark Eldar fluff, I don't think they're evil. They're definitely jerks, certainly not the people you would like to meet and shake their hand. But they do what they do to survive, they mayswell enjoy it. Remember that they do come to the aid of others often, Eldar, Tau, whomever may need it for the right price. Or sometimes just because.

Chaos does because it's their nature. Their sole purpose, is to create havoc, literal chaos, and bend people to their wills.

Dark Eldar like that stuff too, but they do other things too sometimes.

morgoth wrote:
I like how every one of those discussions brings out the general ignorance about Eldar and Dark Eldar.

Last time people even argued that Eldar were anything but Good, and now we have the Dark Eldar being more evil than Chaos.

Please just read some of the Eldar and Dark Eldar fluff before answering those questions....

Eldar aren't particularly good. They're selfish, callous and don't give a feth about anyone who isn't Eldar. They aren't evil by any stretch but they aren't good.

But no, obviously you know more than everyone else because you're an expert on everything. Disagreeing with you = ignorance, right?

 ImAGeek wrote:

morgoth wrote:
I like how every one of those discussions brings out the general ignorance about Eldar and Dark Eldar.

Last time people even argued that Eldar were anything but Good, and now we have the Dark Eldar being more evil than Chaos.

Please just read some of the Eldar and Dark Eldar fluff before answering those questions....

Eldar aren't particularly good. They're selfish, callous and don't give a feth about anyone who isn't Eldar. They aren't evil by any stretch but they aren't good.

But no, obviously you know more than everyone else because you're an expert on everything. Disagreeing with you = ignorance, right?

I explained, as others who know what the Eldar are, time and time again, that the Eldar care about everyone who is Eldar.

Do humans care about cows and rats ?

So how does Eldar not caring about less sentient creatures make them not good ?



Dark Eldar are just pain addicted Eldar. Surely they're not good, but since that addiction is what saves their souls, it doesn't make any sense to compare them to Chaos which is about pure evil.

morgoth wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

morgoth wrote:
I like how every one of those discussions brings out the general ignorance about Eldar and Dark Eldar.

Last time people even argued that Eldar were anything but Good, and now we have the Dark Eldar being more evil than Chaos.

Please just read some of the Eldar and Dark Eldar fluff before answering those questions....

Eldar aren't particularly good. They're selfish, callous and don't give a feth about anyone who isn't Eldar. They aren't evil by any stretch but they aren't good.

But no, obviously you know more than everyone else because you're an expert on everything. Disagreeing with you = ignorance, right?

I explained, as others who know what the Eldar are, time and time again, that the Eldar care about everyone who is Eldar.

Do humans care about cows and rats ?

So how does Eldar not caring about less sentient creatures make them not good ?



Dark Eldar are just pain addicted Eldar. Surely they're not good, but since that addiction is what saves their souls, it doesn't make any sense to compare them to Chaos which is about pure evil.

Because races that don't care about other races aren't good. That's a very selfish quality. Selfish isn't a good trait, is it.

How has nobody mentioned (unless I've missed it), that humans are sentient and the animals we eat are not? I know this is touchy ground but in my opinion sentience makes a huge difference on whether killing is 'evil' or not. It is pretty darn obvious to the DE that the mon-keigh are sentient, whether they believe themselves above humans or not. If they went about capturing and killing cows then no - I would not think they are evil.


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 ImAGeek wrote:

morgoth wrote:


Dark Eldar are just pain addicted Eldar. Surely they're not good, but since that addiction is what saves their souls, it doesn't make any sense to compare them to Chaos which is about pure evil.

Because races that don't care about other races aren't good. That's a very selfish quality. Selfish isn't a good trait, is it.

But they care about other races, they don't kill Humans for no reason.

Your problem is that you think that Eldar and humans are on the same level.

When you swat a fly for your own comfort, that doesn't prevent you from being a good person.
There are limits to what you can call selfish.

Don't know how to vote - interesting arguments on both sides.

Poly Ranger wrote:
How has nobody mentioned (unless I've missed it), that humans are sentient and the animals we eat are not? I know this is touchy ground but in my opinion sentience makes a huge difference on whether killing is 'evil' or not. It is pretty darn obvious to the DE that the mon-keigh are sentient, whether they believe themselves above humans or not. If they went about capturing and killing cows then no - I would not think they are evil.


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The animals we eat are sentient. Sorry to break it to you.

In case you didn't know, some humans are just dumber than the average monkey, and some monkeys are just dumber than the average cow.

It's a whole continuum out there and just being part of the human race does not make you smarter.

A fly is not sentient however.


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How are they sentient? You have to be self aware for sentience?It has been shown that horses, dogs, pigs and dolphins have a llimited form of sentience. But not in the same sense as humanity. This has not been shiwn in cows as far as I am aware.

Poly Ranger wrote:
A fly is not sentient however.

In modern Western philosophy, sentience is the ability to experience sensations (known in philosophy of mind as "qualia"). In Eastern philosophy, sentience is a metaphysical quality of all things that requires respect and care.

Arguably, the fly can experience sensations, and requires respect and care.

Interestingly enough, even plants are arguably able to experience sensations, require respect and care.

Now it seems pretty clear that more sentient beings experience a much wider range of sensations, but since that varies within a species, it's meaningless to try and draw boundaries.

 ImAGeek wrote:

And the Dar Eldar didn't create Slaanesh. The Eldar race as a whole did.

The Eldar race as a whole created Slaanesh by behaving like Dark Eldar. DE have not changed their ways since that event.
To my knowledge, Chaos has yet to do anything so abundantly evil as to create a god-like personification of that evil. Bless their little hearts for trying though.

Jimsolo wrote:Chaos. No question. Dark Eldar do what they do to survive. Chaos does it because they want to.

The exact opposite can be argued. Chaos does what it does because it has to. Evil is what it is. It has no choice. As I said in the first post, Chaos is elemental. No more evil than a really destructive storm.

Dark Eldar do it because they want to. They have the choice not to. (Chaos doesn't) They could take up a waystone and join a craftworld but they enjoy being sadistic so much, that they put their soul at risk because they love suffering so much. (imo, this is quite far from 'just acting out of self preservation') They even hurt themselves. DE Kabalites have nasty barbs inside their armor so they can feed off their own pain. Homunculi have inflicted so much pain upon themselves that their own pain isn't even a bother. (Fabius Bile is a student of the homunculi, btw. A good allegory that CSM can learn a thing or two from DE when it comes to being sadistic.)

amanita wrote:Dark Eldar rend bodies.

Chaos rends souls.

The exact opposite can be argued. Followers of Chaos love to kill because they know it's what their gods want. Then their gods eat your soul.
DE love to torture you to death because your soul tastes so much better when you're experiencing the deepest physical, emotional and spiritual torment imaginable. DE also consume souls... But on an individual basis.

 Archonate wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

And the Dar Eldar didn't create Slaanesh. The Eldar race as a whole did.

The Eldar race as a whole created a chaos god by behaving like Dark Eldar. DE have not changed their ways since that event.
To my knowledge, Chaos has yet to do anything so abundantly evil as to create a god-like personification of that evil. Bless their little hearts for trying though.

Oh no I get that, my point is just that the blame doesn't lie solely with just the Dark Eldar for creating Slaanesh. The other Eldar races are equally to blame. I mean yeah the others changed their ways after but it's still not just the fault of the DE.