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 Keep wrote:
Is sizethe only thing you connect with dangerous? If that's a case id say you have a distinct lack of imagination or knowledge of 40k

There is no need to be patronising. Do not take my arguments as an invitation to make unpleasant implications.


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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Actually, XV15 and XV25 stealth suits are not much bigger than normal tau. And they are pretty damn strong, with armour as good as PA, but lighter. Not as tough though, they are still just normal tau underneath.

Aren't XV15 outdated and replaced by XV25 by now?

XV25 is actually pretty big. Not as big as Marines mind, but not much smaller either.

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 TheCustomLime wrote:
Imperial structures are huge. Just look at the doors on your average Imperial terrain kit and compare it to a Guardsman. They must be like 10 feet tall.

GW also said that the tabletop is out of scale, specifically that the Guardsmen are too large.

Ooh, ooh, ooh! Really!?!

I would absolutely love getting a source for that one.

GW main line is too large, or so it is said. Don't remember who said it. But I've seen it before.

FW line is a lot better as far as scale goes.

I'd like to see how the marines would react if they were to teleport termies in an underground bunker that's about 5' high. And deep enough to not get slagged from orbit.

"Mmmff mfff mff mff!" "Mfff mfff mfff!" "MFFFFF!"

 Bobthehero wrote:
GW main line is too large, or so it is said. Don't remember who said it. But I've seen it before.

FW line is a lot better as far as scale goes.

I know I've heard that as well (also that the vehicles are all out of scale). But I've never of any source for it- especially one from GW.

I have read GW sculptors talk about "heroic" proportions, and having to reel them in when working in larger scales, but that's not quite the same thing.

 Bobthehero wrote:
I'd like to see how the marines would react if they were to teleport termies in an underground bunker that's about 5' high. And deep enough to not get slagged from orbit.

To be fair, that issue would not be unique to 9' Marines...

 Keep wrote:

It doesn't matter if concrete doesn't burn. Twenty million degrees Fahrenheit doesn't discriminate the material, it all gets vaporized.

That doesn't work. Heat expands in all directions, not just one. That means the shooter would also be vaporized by your gazillions of degrees of heat.
Also, you don't vaporize a big block of granite or concrete by putting a fraction of a second of extreme high temperature on its surface.

Well it's not an instant beam, Meltaguns shoot pure fusion energy/superheated gas at temperatures beyond even plasma guns, which burn at twenty million degrees. So it'd probably be higher actually, greater then the temperature of Sol.


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 Bobthehero wrote:
GW main line is too large, or so it is said. Don't remember who said it. But I've seen it before.

FW line is a lot better as far as scale goes.

I'd like to see how the marines would react if they were to teleport termies in an underground bunker that's about 5' high. And deep enough to not get slagged from orbit.

They'd die instantly. Would be a teleporter mishap that would cause their upper torsos and heads to become fused into the ceiling.

This is part of the reason why I'd always walk in 40k.

Wyzilla wrote:
This is part of the reason why I'd always walk in 40k.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Wyzilla wrote:
This is part of the reason why I'd always walk in 40k.

Teleporter accidents are some of the most grisly nightmare fuel in all of sci fi.

Man I'll never forget that scene in Gav's Dark Angels books where a Deathwing terminator teleported into a wall. Yikes.

 Wyzilla wrote:

Well it's not an instant beam, Meltaguns shoot pure fusion energy/superheated gas at temperatures beyond even plasma guns, which burn at twenty million degrees. So it'd probably be higher actually, greater then the temperature of Sol.

An extreme energy potential will cause extreme quick dissipation of it to its surrounding. In all directions, as soon as its exists. Physics.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Wyzilla wrote:
This is part of the reason why I'd always walk in 40k.

Hail skroob

Armoured height of 7ft

 b1soul wrote:
Armoured height of 7ft

Your opinion is noted, but OP is asking for references.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 b1soul wrote:
Armoured height of 7ft

Your opinion is noted, but OP is asking for references.

Try the GW sales promotion? "Win a Space Marine's height in products" and a picture of an armored marine with 7' as the stated height. If that's not official I don't know what is. ;-)

OP already has that one in the list.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 b1soul wrote:
Armoured height of 7ft

Your opinion is noted, but OP is asking for references.

Be polite, motyak
Who actually noted it? Can I see the note? And how do you know that it was noted? Is it a set of minutes or special just for this post.

pelicaniforce wrote:


I haven't read any more of the thread, I'm not going to read any more of the thread.

I'm going to edit a screen cap in to this post in a few minutes.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Competition

Seven feet! that's it!

Be polite, motyak

I am here to save the thread.

 odinsgrandson wrote:
Hey- do you have any references on those Primarch heights? I found one about how Leman Russ was pretty tall in comparison to other Space Wolves, but that's all the references I could find.

I do.

In Descent of Angels an unarmoured Lion El'Jonson is said to be slightly over three meters tall, and towering over armoured Marines. So we have a Primarch never said to be particularly tall or short standing at about ten feet tall.

In Battle for the Fang, Magnus the Red (who was explicitly taking on the same form he took during the Great Crusade) is said to be five meters tall. So a fething massive height of nearly seventeen feet. He was said to be a giant even among his brothers.

Anyway, for another reference to Space Marine height, there's this thread I made:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/567966.page

I found this finding most interesting because of Abnett's reputation for having Marines be truly gigantic.

In the Deathwatch RPG, Marines are said to be over 210 cm on average, so about seven feet.

Battle of the Fang has some references on Marine height as well, but I can't really recall them. I think a Marine in Terminator armour was nearly three meters, but this novel went with the common "Terminator armour makes you really tall" idea, which I've never really been able to stomach.

How does terminator armor make a person tall if they literally cannot stand completely upright?

Khonsu wrote:
How does terminator armor make a person tall if they literally cannot stand completely upright?

Because the armor itself extends a good foot above where the person would be normally. Ignoring the obvious impossibility of anyone actually contorting the way the terminator model would require.

Marines are probably good contortionists, but it seems silly to require that just to wear armour.

Terminator armor definitely makes the minis taller. As I understand it, almost no one accepts the miniatures as a legitimate source of fluff when a question arises.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
I am here to save the thread.

 odinsgrandson wrote:
Hey- do you have any references on those Primarch heights? I found one about how Leman Russ was pretty tall in comparison to other Space Wolves, but that's all the references I could find.

I do.

In Descent of Angels an unarmoured Lion El'Jonson is said to be slightly over three meters tall, and towering over armoured Marines. So we have a Primarch never said to be particularly tall or short standing at about ten feet tall.

In Battle for the Fang, Magnus the Red (who was explicitly taking on the same form he took during the Great Crusade) is said to be five meters tall. So a fething massive height of nearly seventeen feet. He was said to be a giant even among his brothers.

Anyway, for another reference to Space Marine height, there's this thread I made:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/567966.page

I found this finding most interesting because of Abnett's reputation for having Marines be truly gigantic.

In the Deathwatch RPG, Marines are said to be over 210 cm on average, so about seven feet.

Battle of the Fang has some references on Marine height as well, but I can't really recall them. I think a Marine in Terminator armour was nearly three meters, but this novel went with the common "Terminator armour makes you really tall" idea, which I've never really been able to stomach.

We'll need to add those to the list.

Any page numbers on those? I'd especially like on from the Deathwatch book (as it is the second one to give the 210cm height).

 odinsgrandson wrote:

We'll need to add those to the list.

Any page numbers on those? I'd especially like on from the Deathwatch book (as it is the second one to give the 210cm height).

For Deathwatch, page 28.

I might look through Ravenor later. Not Lion in Descent of Angels. Battle of the Fang is literally on the first page. Literally.

I don't think there are any Space Marines in Ravenor. >>

Oh! But Librarian Bryntnoth in Eisenhorn is said to have a "Pinky finger the approximately the size of an Arbite's truncheon".

Noted, amusingly, because said Space Marine was sticking said pinky out while sipping a cup of tea.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I don't think there are any Space Marines in Ravenor. >>

Oh! But Librarian Bryntnoth in Eisenhorn is said to have a "Pinky finger the approximately the size of an Arbite's truncheon".

Noted, amusingly, because said Space Marine was sticking said pinky out while sipping a cup of tea.

Yep, and with this information we can finally calculate the true height of the Astartes. I'm pretty exactly six feet tall and my pinky finger is a bit over two inches long. So if we conservatively estimate the Aribite's truncheon to be about a half metre long, we realise that a Space Marine must be ten times as tall as me. So here it is: Space Marines are 60 feet (that is over 18 metres) tall!

Also, considering how Astartes are sometimes described as having massive "paws", it's likely the augmentation increases the size of their hands. Would certainly make man-handling traitor guard and ripping them apart Mortal Kombat style a lot easier.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Also, considering how Astartes are sometimes described as having massive "paws", it's likely the augmentation increases the size of their hands...

I was thinking this when we first saw the reference that included the "Hands like shovels" description.

I felt it was a dig on the older Heroic asthetics that Space Marines had (the 2nd ed marines all had massive hands). They took the size of the marine hands down with the 3rd edition (after the guys in charge of the BloodQuest cartoon pointed out the massive size of marine hands- the film didn't get finished, but we have smaller marine hands as their legacy).

'Hands like shovels' says little in practice as shovels vary a lot in size, although even smaller ones are way bigger than a hand. Same for 'Dining table'.

Yeah, it isn't accurate, and it isn't going to tell us what size the characters are (not adding any of the hand or finger references to the list). I still think the description might have come from someone considering what happens when you scale up those minis.



I mean, his hands get to be HUGE. Imagine him at full size- even if he were only six foot, or a little taller, you'd think he had elephantitis.

Armoured bulk, back then. what was worse was the regular guardmens that were just as big, with no armour
Marines always did look a bit equine.
spose you could carry this on with the primarchs cover., seeing as Alpharius was around about the height of a marine, thats if its him.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
I don't think there are any Space Marines in Ravenor. >>

Oh! But Librarian Bryntnoth in Eisenhorn is said to have a "Pinky finger the approximately the size of an Arbite's truncheon".

Noted, amusingly, because said Space Marine was sticking said pinky out while sipping a cup of tea.

Narrative hyperbole exists, especially when the story is told in first-person like Eisenhorn.

Maybe Arbites have really small truncheons.