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From the BRB:

Some weapons can be used in different ways, representing different power settings or types of ammo. Some weapons can be used in combat as well as shooting. Where this is the case, there will be a separate line in the weapon’s profile for each, and you can choose which to use each turn.

Rod of Covenant has two profiles, a melee and a ranged one.
Am I correct in assuming that a Triarch Praetorian can either fire or assault with the Rod, but not both in a single turn?

Asking this because I've read some discussions where people assumed they could fire and then assault with the Rod.
But that is not allowed, or is it?

It's allowed - anyone who tries to argue is daft. There is no rule that says they can only use the weapon in one phase and not another.

They can fire and assault with it in the same round. There is no RAW preventing them from doing so.

The only unit I can recall that has such a rule are ork burna boyz where each model can opt to fire the burna or use it in assault, but not both. They have specific RAW for the weapon that causes this, otherwise they could do both in each round as well.

EDIT: Removed.

Well, he shouldn't have to read the BRB. I included the quote for a reason

Some weapons can be used in combat as well as shooting. Where this is the case, there will be a separate line in the weapon’s profile for each, and you can choose which to use each turn.

Could people please explain this quote from the BRB if they think that it's allowed to use the Rods in Shooting ánd CC?

Kangodo wrote:
Well, he shouldn't have to read the BRB. I included the quote for a reason

Some weapons can be used in combat as well as shooting. Where this is the case, there will be a separate line in the weapon’s profile for each, and you can choose which to use each turn.

Could people please explain this quote from the BRB if they think that it's allowed to use the Rods in Shooting ánd CC?

Hmmmm, that certainly seems to support the RAW argument that praetorians can either shoot or charge but not both in the same turn. It might even be RAI, since the ability to fire and charge in the same turn (at S5 AP2 for both) without penalty was a bit much for a mere 28 points.

Sme as Shining Spears, but Eldar players seem to "forget" that bit

Kangodo wrote:
Well, he shouldn't have to read the BRB. I included the quote for a reason

Some weapons can be used in combat as well as shooting. Where this is the case, there will be a separate line in the weapon’s profile for each, and you can choose which to use each turn.

Could people please explain this quote from the BRB if they think that it's allowed to use the Rods in Shooting ánd CC?

Well with that quote in hand it would appear players may not use the same weapon in shooting and assault in the same turn.

Mind Blown!

 grendel083 wrote:
Sme as Shining Spears, but Eldar players seem to "forget" that bit

And Singing Spears, and Scorpion's Claws... There are a number of Eldar weapons made "meh" by that rule.

I don't have my book with me. Does this affect pistols as well? They technically have two profiles: the shooting profile and the cc weapon profile.

Quanar wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
Sme as Shining Spears, but Eldar players seem to "forget" that bit

And Singing Spears, and Scorpion's Claws... There are a number of Eldar weapons made "meh" by that rule.

It's not a new rule.
It was definitely in 6th ed Rulebook, possibly 5th as well.

docdoom77 wrote:I don't have my book with me. Does this affect pistols as well? They technically have two profiles: the shooting profile and the cc weapon profile.

No, can't remeber the exact wording, but the pistol rule has it different.

Well then, I guess this puts a new light on the viability of caster and void blades.

The 4th edition Eldar codex had a way around this. It specifically allowed the Scorpion Claw to be used as a melee weapon the same turn it was fired.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

Kangodo wrote:
Well, he shouldn't have to read the BRB. I included the quote for a reason

Some weapons can be used in combat as well as shooting. Where this is the case, there will be a separate line in the weapon’s profile for each, and you can choose which to use each turn.

Could people please explain this quote from the BRB if they think that it's allowed to use the Rods in Shooting ánd CC?

Hmmmm, that certainly seems to support the RAW argument that praetorians can either shoot or charge but not both in the same turn. It might even be RAI, since the ability to fire and charge in the same turn (at S5 AP2 for both) without penalty was a bit much for a mere 28 points.

Nothing in that rule restricts the weapon to once per turn. It gives permission to choose the profile you need. "Some weapons can be used in combat as well as shooting", clearly shows both can be used. If that rule said "you can choose which to use "ONCE" each turn, you would be correct.

Fragile wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

Kangodo wrote:
Well, he shouldn't have to read the BRB. I included the quote for a reason

Some weapons can be used in combat as well as shooting. Where this is the case, there will be a separate line in the weapon’s profile for each, and you can choose which to use each turn.

Could people please explain this quote from the BRB if they think that it's allowed to use the Rods in Shooting ánd CC?

Hmmmm, that certainly seems to support the RAW argument that praetorians can either shoot or charge but not both in the same turn. It might even be RAI, since the ability to fire and charge in the same turn (at S5 AP2 for both) without penalty was a bit much for a mere 28 points.

Nothing in that rule restricts the weapon to once per turn. It gives permission to choose the profile you need. "Some weapons can be used in combat as well as shooting", clearly shows both can be used. If that rule said "you can choose which to use "ONCE" each turn, you would be correct.

So the bit that says "...choose which to use each turn." means what, exactly?

There are ranged weapons with dual ranged profiles as well, such as the Triarch Stalker's heat ray. One is able to choose which shooting profile they want to use each turn.

If their intent was for Praetorians wielding Rods to be unable to shoot and assault with that weapon, why bother giving its shooting profile the Assault special rule?

They can charge after firing the Rod. They just cannot use the melee profile until their opponent's phase.

Meaning thy do not have a CCW to attack with. And they cannot "gain" a CCW because thy have one, they just cannot attack with it. Meaning...my head hurts.

Fragile wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

Kangodo wrote:
Well, he shouldn't have to read the BRB. I included the quote for a reason

Some weapons can be used in combat as well as shooting. Where this is the case, there will be a separate line in the weapon’s profile for each, and you can choose which to use each turn.

Could people please explain this quote from the BRB if they think that it's allowed to use the Rods in Shooting ánd CC?

Hmmmm, that certainly seems to support the RAW argument that praetorians can either shoot or charge but not both in the same turn. It might even be RAI, since the ability to fire and charge in the same turn (at S5 AP2 for both) without penalty was a bit much for a mere 28 points.

Nothing in that rule restricts the weapon to once per turn. It gives permission to choose the profile you need. "Some weapons can be used in combat as well as shooting", clearly shows both can be used. If that rule said "you can choose which to use "ONCE" each turn, you would be correct.

it gives the permission to pick one profile to use each turn. Not each phase.

Happyjew brings up an interesting problem. By already having a melee weapon, they lack a CCW. By lacking a CCW, can they even strike in combat based on this if they shoot and charge?

blaktoof wrote:

Fragile wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

Kangodo wrote:
Well, he shouldn't have to read the BRB. I included the quote for a reason

Some weapons can be used in combat as well as shooting. Where this is the case, there will be a separate line in the weapon’s profile for each, and you can choose which to use each turn.

Could people please explain this quote from the BRB if they think that it's allowed to use the Rods in Shooting ánd CC?

Hmmmm, that certainly seems to support the RAW argument that praetorians can either shoot or charge but not both in the same turn. It might even be RAI, since the ability to fire and charge in the same turn (at S5 AP2 for both) without penalty was a bit much for a mere 28 points.

Nothing in that rule restricts the weapon to once per turn. It gives permission to choose the profile you need. "Some weapons can be used in combat as well as shooting", clearly shows both can be used. If that rule said "you can choose which to use "ONCE" each turn, you would be correct.

it gives the permission to pick one profile to use each turn. Not each phase.

Again you lack a "once".

Fragile, where is there permission to make the choice a second time in a turn?

So either they can use the weapon when they charge after they shoot, or the rules break.

What a bizarre situation. Never saw anyone playing as if you couldn't use them in melee after shooting.

 Vector Strike wrote:
What a bizarre situation. Never saw anyone playing as if you couldn't use them in melee after shooting.

Apparently almost no one was aware of this rule.

 Nilok wrote:
So either they can use the weapon when they charge after they shoot, or the rules break.

What, did 7th remove the clause that said "if you don't have a CCW, you count as having a CCW"? I know it was in 6th.
And before that, barely anyone ever argued that you needed anything besides an Attack stat to strike in melee

 Crevab wrote:
What, did 7th remove the clause that said "if you don't have a CCW, you count as having a CCW"?

They have a melee weapon, which means they don't get a default CCW. The problem arises when they are apparently disallowed from using the melee weapon if they've used it as a shooting weapon. This leaves them with no melee weapon and no CCW.

 Crevab wrote:

 Nilok wrote:
So either they can use the weapon when they charge after they shoot, or the rules break.

What, did 7th remove the clause that said "if you don't have a CCW, you count as having a CCW"? I know it was in 6th.
And before that, barely anyone ever argued that you needed anything besides an Attack stat to strike in melee

No Specified Melee weapon wrote:If a model is not specifically stated as have a weapon with the Melee type, it is treated as being armed with a single close combat weapon.

Rod of the Covenant wrote:Melee, Two-Handed

Triarch Praetorians are already armed with a Melee weapon and don't get a CCW.

The rules don't cover what happens if you try and fight in close combat without a melee weapon, thus the rules break.

aaaand where does it state you need a CCW to make attacks?

Brilliant rules writing GW, you never cease to amaze!