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After the disappointing BA codex GW gives as a new Necron codex. What were the editors on when they allowed that to be printed? Do they know their own rules? My guess is "no, they do not".

I do wonder if they ever get around to FAQ'ing all the weird stuff in the rules.

I also do wonder about the direction this game is going with all the different formations and whatnot. If someone came up to me and claimed he has this formation that gives all in the foemation a reroll to hit I just might believe that without looking it up, it is just that crazy right now.

As a marine player I'm a bit confused why my chapter tactics (sort of a formation) are nowhere near the level of benefits what others are getting and if I ever get any useful formations myself.

Anyone else wondering where this game is going?

Naw wrote:


Anyone else wondering where this game is going?

Very much so.

Only time will tell. The changes seem to be so erratic and random that no one can predict what GW will decide to do next. Just look at the rumours for Fantasy. Who knows what'll happen.

Naw wrote:
What were the editors on ...

The who?

There's never been any indication that GW actually have an editor.

As a Marine player you shouldn't really complain. SM don't have formations as they're an older book, but they do have one of the most powerful stand-alone codexes in the game AND the benefits of the allies matrix. Necrons have no battle brothers and a fairly well balanced codex (maybe the best of the 7th ed books, but not as good as the 6th ed SM/Eldar/Tau/Daemons).

Certain army wide special rules will be better than others, but these are factored into the points cost of units.

As for the direction the game is going, I agree with you, the number of sources now is silly and too difficult to keep track of. It's essentially to sell bundles of models.

 insaniak wrote:

Naw wrote:
What were the editors on ...

The who?

There's never been any indication that GW actually have an editor.

They're locked away in that same room with the mythical being known as the "Playtester".

 Grimtuff wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Naw wrote:
What were the editors on ...

The who?

There's never been any indication that GW actually have an editor.

They're locked away in that same room with the mythical being known as the "Playtester".

Right next to the PR department.

Hennimore!!

 Azreal13 wrote:
Hennimore!!

I've been convinced GW's board has been some sort of performance art installation, but maybe I've been thinking too small? What if GW in its entirety is just a Mitchell and Webb sketch?

 Grimtuff wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Naw wrote:
What were the editors on ...

The who?

There's never been any indication that GW actually have an editor.

They're locked away in that same room with the mythical being known as the "Playtester".

At GW, the position of "Playtester" is coupled with the position of "Rules Designer." The reason is two-fold: the first is to reduce costs, the second is to reduce information leakage by allowing fewer individuals intimate access with upcoming products.

Naw wrote:As a marine player I'm a bit confused why my chapter tactics (sort of a formation) are nowhere near the level of benefits what others are getting and if I ever get any useful formations myself.

Yet another example of someone who prefers the boom and bust codex cycle to a more balanced game. People don't want balance, they want their army to rule face, suckaz!

Anything less means that their army is nerfed. A balance gamed would, therefore, be a game where all armies are nerfed.

Naw wrote:I also do wonder about the direction this game is going with all the different formations and whatnot. If someone came up to me and claimed he has this formation that gives all in the foemation a reroll to hit I just might believe that without looking it up, it is just that crazy right now.

Don't resist it, embrace it. By careful study, and meticulously keeping up on how things change, just imagine all the wicked awesome combinations you'll be able to come up with that your enemies won't see coming.

You'll have the edge.

Naw wrote:
After the disappointing BA codex

Huh, what?

As a marine player I'm a bit confused why my chapter tactics (sort of a formation) are nowhere near the level of benefits what others are getting and if I ever get any useful formations myself.

It's in your next Codex/Supplement.
Sure, we got a lot of Formations and the new things.
But we also had to wait and were the last Codex to be updated.
Your Formations will come.

Anyone else wondering where this game is going?

In the right direction.

GW is about as consistant as lumpy porridge.

Personally, going from bloated mess to even more bloated mess (moar special rules, moar supplements, moar dataslates, moar huge toys with their own special rules, moar, moar) hardly qualifies as "in the right direction" in my book, but it's just my opinion I guess.

I don't think it wise to expect players to "study" and "meticulously" keep track of updates so that they can play a game. I can appreciate certain aspects of what GW has been doing lately, but I think its too much too soon and I don't really enjoy learning about a new formation every single week I go to play a game.

I sincerely hope they whittle Warhammer Fantasy down to an unrecognizable game for 9th edition just so I can build my high elf army in peace and stick with one edition without worrying about new editions and updates. I hope everybody that has an army already does the same.

For a company that only wants to sell models to collectors, you'd think finding a basic set of rules to stick to would be simple enough. Instead they've figured out how to tap into the market of nimrods that will win at all costs, not the least of which is financial.

Seems like a clear goal to me. Maximize these people's hobby spending by ensuring that he who owns the most literature will win.

It has its benefits, but overall I think its getting pretty overblown.

*edit* fell for the troll trap.

Naw wrote:
After the disappointing BA codex GW gives as a new Necron codex. What were the editors on when they allowed that to be printed? Do they know their own rules? My guess is "no, they do not".

I do wonder if they ever get around to FAQ'ing all the weird stuff in the rules.

I also do wonder about the direction this game is going with all the different formations and whatnot. If someone came up to me and claimed he has this formation that gives all in the foemation a reroll to hit I just might believe that without looking it up, it is just that crazy right now.

As a marine player I'm a bit confused why my chapter tactics (sort of a formation) are nowhere near the level of benefits what others are getting and if I ever get any useful formations myself.

Anyone else wondering where this game is going?

If you question the benefits/composition of the Formation, ask your opponent to show you his Codex/Dataslate and where that rule is found. It's that easy.

 Thud wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Hennimore!!

I've been convinced GW's board has been some sort of performance art installation, but maybe I've been thinking too small? What if GW in its entirety is just a Mitchell and Webb sketch?

Post of the day! The worrying part is that there are so many that could work. You may just be right.

- "Hans, have you seen our minis? They've got skulls on them!"
- "Now tell me, how does the cure for Altzheimer (balanced rules) help sell the sleek'n'shiny (Space Marines) range? You know where the exit door is..."
- "Oh, and that's a bad miss..." (Centurion sculpts, anyone? )


And of course

"What happened to that nice store manager?"

"He's gone. They're all gone, and we're back!"

"Who's back"

"The store managers who live only to sell, to hear the lamentations of your children as you sell their teddies to buy Space Marines, to make sure you buy a pot of red paint only slightly different to the ones you already have. Now, do you want to buy this Titan, or are you looking for something small like a Baneblade?"

Are we... the baddies?

ryuken87 wrote:
Necrons have no battle brothers and a fairly well balanced codex (maybe the best of the 7th ed books, but not as good as the 6th ed SM/Eldar/Tau/Daemons).

I don't think the words "well balanced" can be applied to either of those codices... Have you been in the Warp Dust dumpster again?

hoenstly I think GW is more or less just learning rules and supplements sell. most other sucessful games include new rules in other sourcebooks it's pretty normal. GW's just finally clued in that the vast majority of players like and will buy, more options

Naw wrote:
After the disappointing BA codex

The BA codex was disappointing?

Editor is a Honorary title at GW

Just to be clear, this comment...

 insaniak wrote:

Naw wrote:
What were the editors on ...

The who?

There's never been any indication that GW actually have an editor.

... wasn't entirely just snark. There's never been any mention of an editor being involved in any stage of the rules design process. The procedure, as far as I've been able to determine, is more or less just the studio guys hashing out a rough direction, someone writing up the codex, and the studio head giving it the yay or nay, with re-writes as required. None of the developer's notes have ever mentioned an editor having any contribution to any of GW's rules publications.


Make of that what you will.

Ailaros wrote:

Naw wrote:As a marine player I'm a bit confused why my chapter tactics (sort of a formation) are nowhere near the level of benefits what others are getting and if I ever get any useful formations myself.

Yet another example of someone who prefers the boom and bust codex cycle to a more balanced game. People don't want balance, they want their army to rule face, suckaz!

If you believe that is what I meant, then by all means do continue doing so.

Kangodo wrote:

Naw wrote:
After the disappointing BA codex

Huh, what?

To elaborate, I enjoyed running assault marines with jump packs, a couple of baal preds as fast attack and 2-3 dakka preds as heavy support. Not anymore... For me that is disappointing.

Kangodo wrote:

Anyone else wondering where this game is going?

In the right direction.

And here we disagree. I just don't see any sense in paying for 2x 3 broadsides and 1 riptide, and for no additional cost getting extra benefits, just because it's a formation. On the other hand, at some weird level I at the same time sort of like that. Huh?

Maybe it is my friends, but they already now have issues with making legal lists, I dare to see what they come up with multiple formations in multiple CADs with allies

My beef is more with the GW, that they cannot make balanced game even if they had 10 000 apes at it. Up until the Necron codes I was liking what I saw, but now I gave up with my expectations of having the Eldar (and Tau) codex at a more normal level.


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 insaniak wrote:
Just to be clear, this comment...

 insaniak wrote:

Naw wrote:
What were the editors on ...

The who?

There's never been any indication that GW actually have an editor.

... wasn't entirely just snark. There's never been any mention of an editor being involved in any stage of the rules design process. The procedure, as far as I've been able to determine, is more or less just the studio guys hashing out a rough direction, someone writing up the codex, and the studio head giving it the yay or nay, with re-writes as required. None of the developer's notes have ever mentioned an editor having any contribution to any of GW's rules publications.


Make of that what you will.

I'm still thinking of the Burning Chariot of Tzeentch that they showcased in a White Dwarf, showing how utterly devastating that unit could be, when it was played incorrectly. I suppose it's okay not to know your own rules