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Nice job Fxeni.

Congrats! Gork and Mork would be proud!

Congrats !!!

What was the list you finally decided on ?

Fun fact tyranids and Orks had similar win rates
http://www.torrentoffire.com/6683/lvo-army-statistics

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
Congrats !!!

What was the list you finally decided on ?

Green Tide formation with a void shield generator backed up by grots, kmk's, and I think tankbustas.

Good job man!!!!!! Warboss Titan joins your WAAAGH!

lets flood the boards with mean, green green tide machines!

well done getting 9th! massive achievement! cant wait to see the battle reports!

Hey guys, sorry for the delay - you won't be hearing much of me for the next few days just due to exams. However, expect to hear more by this weekend and on!

Here's my final list, as requested.


LIST ONE: The Green Tide (V. Final)


* "Green Tide Formation"
94x Boyz
6x Nobz with Klaws

* Warboss warlord
* 'Eavy Armour
Power Klaw

Orks: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) Selections:

+ HQ +
* Warboss
Gift: Da Lucky Stikk ,
* 'Eavy Armour, Bosspole
Power Klaw

* Painboy

+ Elites +

* 9x Tankbusta

* 10x Tankbusta


+ Troops +
* 10x Gretchin
* Runtherd

* 10x Gretchin
* Runtherd

+ Fast Attack +
* Deffkopta
Choppa, Twin-linked Rokkits

+ Heavy Support +
* Gun Wagon Squad
* Gun Wagon
1x TL Big Shoota, Boarding Plank, Reinforced Ram
* Gun Wagons
1x TL Big Shoota, Boarding Plank, Reinforced Ram

* Mek Gunz
3x Ammo Runt
* 2x Kustom Mega-kannon w/ Grots
* 1x Traktor Kannon w/ Grots

* Mek Gunz
3x Ammo Runt
* 2x Kustom Mega-kannon w/ Grots
* 1x Traktor Kannon w/ Grots


+ Fortification +
* Void Shield Generator w/ 3 Shields


Feel free to ask questions if you like - as I said, Battle Reports will be forthcoming within a few days!

Can't wait to see ur battlereports but I'd have to say facing that many demons, flyrants, wraith knights, imperial Knights, dread knights. I am sure not being fearless caused a few issues if you failed that ld9 fear check. Only way to get the points for that bbp would be dropping the pk on the warlord to a big choppa or dropping the gunwagons to big Trakks or dropping one of the 3 void shields neither of which I know you wanted to do.

Would love to see your void shields. Proper ork varients and you can potential get decent cover saves for your Mek gunz on the battlements.

Would also like to know what you would change in your list if you got to try again.

gungo wrote:


Would also like to know what you would change in your list if you got to try again.

Oh, I wouldn't worry about that....after all, Adepticon is only a month away.

How do you plan to deal with the pure Maelström format ?

 Dozer Blades wrote:
How do you plan to deal with the pure Maelström format ?

Gonna test out some new list ideas, maybe the green tide with modification - hard to say just yet. All I know is I will be taking Orks in one form or another.

 Fxeni wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:
How do you plan to deal with the pure Maelström format ?

Gonna test out some new list ideas, maybe the green tide with modification - hard to say just yet. All I know is I will be taking Orks in one form or another.

*cough* Bullyboyz *cough*

Sorry, something caught in my throat

Gendel's coughing bully boyz.

Anywayz, i think greentide can do well in regular maelstorm too. Even mass drop pods won't have enough place to land. Though, explosions would be devastating. I think you can loose a greentide to a bunch of exploding pods if you charge them

The incredible strength of the Waaagh! energy emanating from this thread has drawn me in. I've never played anything except Orks and I am loving seeing them competitive at a tournament (and yes, 5 - 1 is competitive). If there was any doubt that you earned the Stompa before, it has definitely been erased!

But I have to say, when it comes to winning in tournaments, it seems to be more about the general than the list. I can't play like you. Therefore, I call for the title Grand Warlord for Fxeni and I'll follow you (and krump anyone who says otherwise)!

no big boss pole on the warboss for fearless?

While he wanted one he didn't know where to shave points and felt a 103 boy blob from the ghaz book with ld9 was going to pass every pin and morale test with few casualties regardless. However I want to see his battle report because I have a feeling the one match he lost vs a demon nid player with with fatewaeaver, a greater demon, demon prince and 3 flyrants might have played a small role in that loss not to mention that the guy was being a bit difficult asking for obscure rules from judges and appeared to be playing tactically slow on purpose. You kinda have to expect that kind of play from a handful of people at these big tournaments though

personally i feel like the deffkopta is first blood bate. i would have got rid of that to get the big boss pole and generally buff other units a little more. Though, it may be the case that the deffkopta wins the game in a game, cant wait to see the reports

I watched a little coverage on front-line gaming stream of the tournament and they brought up how people were getting a little salty about the green tide formation using a voidshield generators with 1 boy within range granting the whole unit the protection of 3 HPs of AV 12. I'm going to go ahead and assume this was your list because of the inclusion of the voidshields and that no one would care if you were scrubbing out using it. So while I don't know how much that actually affected things but seems pretty janky rules useage to me. Either way, you had to have played well to place how you did so congrats are in order! Good work crushing some people in the green tide

I know he was using the Deffkopta to grab mid game objectives. He could of places it in reserves to deny first blood but that defeats the purpose of it. However the Deffkopta is so fast when turbo boosting and can ignore enough terrain and a single model has a small enough footprint that coupled with the very good terrain LVO had I am sure he was able to hide that unit if he wanted. Also don't forget one of the best things about void shields is denying first blood.
Up until that 5th rd loss fxeni had the highest ranked list based on points scored. I don't think he lost first blood often.

Honestly one of the best things about the vsg is not just the fact it throws out 3 av12 shields but that it consists of several large av13 buildings that have cover save battlements. To bad gw didn't make a plastic version it would of sold like crazy.


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Killermonkey wrote:
I watched a little coverage on front-line gaming stream of the tournament and they brought up how people were getting a little salty about the green tide formation using a voidshield generators with 1 boy within range granting the whole unit the protection of 3 HPs of AV 12. I'm going to go ahead and assume this was your list because of the inclusion of the voidshields and that no one would care if you were scrubbing out using it. So while I don't know how much that actually affected things but seems pretty janky rules useage to me. Either way, you had to have played well to place how you did so congrats are in order! Good work crushing some people in the green tide

It's worded unit not model.
It's no more janky then the old kff which gave every unit in range a cover save. In fact the old kff actually was worse since people would throw the Mek into transports like a battle wagon and then it became a av14 mobile cover save on a larger model. It was a major part of 5th and 6th edition Ork lists. you didnt see many void shields because most lists in LVO consists of msu or large mc that don't really take advantage like an ork tide of 100+ boyz. So you have to laugh when the people crying about it are at the same time putting a super heavy flyer with double ranged d weapon on a landing pad so they can take advantage of a 4++, a halo field save, and a jink save on a flyer that's immune to blasts/templates and you can only snap shoot at unless you have skyfire. And you think a greentide with an av12 void shield vs shooting is janky? All people did was shimmy the Lynx around a sky shield pad for double saves it was beyond silly and nearly unkillable. The only reason Sean beat that eldar list in the top 4 was he kept throwing flyrants and mawlocs into assault with it while hoping the Lynx wouldnt get lucky with double ranged d weapon shots at his mc's.

Kap'n Krump wrote:Maybe I'm just a pessimist, and I don't really follow tournaments that closely, so feel free to discount me for saying this,

buuuuuuuuut.......

Isn't this proof that orks aren't competitive? At best, it's proof that orks aren't quite as uncompetitive as people like me give them credit for, but still orks got completely shut out by the big dogs - eldar, SM, demons, knights, hell even tyranids.

I mean, cheering on orks for not being utterly curb-stomped seems somewhat hollow, at best.

Nothing against the guy for playing orks at a very competitive tournament - I'm sure a green tide in a timed format was difficult, and I appreciate the effort, and a good showing at that. I'd love to see your final list and general tactics for pointers, incidentally.

But.....orks doing better than expected clearly doesn't mean they're doing well, competitively.

I never meant to prove that Orks are the best Codex out there. It's not terribly hard to see they aren't.

What I DID mean to prove, however, was that Orks COULD compete in the meta. Not that they were the best - just that they could also throw in with the big boys of Nids, Eldar, and Summoning.

koooaei wrote:Gendel's coughing bully boyz.

Anywayz, i think greentide can do well in regular maelstorm too. Even mass drop pods won't have enough place to land. Though, explosions would be devastating. I think you can loose a greentide to a bunch of exploding pods if you charge them

That would be hilariously fun.

gungo wrote:While he wanted one he didn't know where to shave points and felt a 103 boy blob from the ghaz book with ld9 was going to pass every pin and morale test with few casualties regardless. However I want to see his battle report because I have a feeling the one match he lost vs a demon nid player with with fatewaeaver, a greater demon, demon prince and 3 flyrants might have played a small role in that loss not to mention that the guy was being a bit difficult asking for obscure rules from judges and appeared to be playing tactically slow on purpose. You kinda have to expect that kind of play from a handful of people at these big tournaments though

Without spoiling anything from game 5, my loss had nothing to do with the BBP - but rather, some rather unfortunate circumstances involving the game and the interactions between my opponent and I.

Killermonkey wrote:I watched a little coverage on front-line gaming stream of the tournament and they brought up how people were getting a little salty about the green tide formation using a voidshield generators with 1 boy within range granting the whole unit the protection of 3 HPs of AV 12. I'm going to go ahead and assume this was your list because of the inclusion of the voidshields and that no one would care if you were scrubbing out using it. So while I don't know how much that actually affected things but seems pretty janky rules useage to me. Either way, you had to have played well to place how you did so congrats are in order! Good work crushing some people in the green tide

Eh, you gotta take that sort of thing with a little bit of salt. People complain - it's the nature of the internet. I would argue that while the VSG is good, it is hardly broken for several reasons:

1. It doesn't protect me from Psychic Powers of any kind.
2. It doesn't protect me from assault.
3. There are ways to get around it.
4. In this shooting meta, it's hardly difficult to manage 3 AV12 shots with no saves whatsoever.
5. There are WAY WAY WORSE things out there to deal with. VSG is a joke compared to summoning 2++ rerollable FMCs, or Str D shooting, or a Lynx with a 4+ and then another 4+ to neglect ANY hit, etc.

It's a tournament, people. You should expect tough lists. Mine's no exception, especially if I wanna compete!

Fxeni , you think the green tide is the only thing that can make orks competitive ?

I think you mentioned in a previous post that the green tide can be slow and not your preferred play style / list. Do you feel you could win with out it ?

I wonder if orks are just pigeon holed into green tide in order to compete with the big boys (which would be a shame =( )

Was any of the ork armies at the LVO green tides ?

It's easy to be a critic, but that big bosspole, to me, would be a #1 priority. I mean, it's not at all likely, but you'd feel pretty silly if your tide failed a morale check to shooting and had to fall back. Or hell, pinning. Or fail fear tests v. super-heavies, MCs, or demons. Insert morale complaint here. And just one flubbed test at the wrong time could be a disaster. I mean, I always put reinforced rams on my vehicles, and every so often one still gets immobilized. Odds are, eventually, the tide is going to derp out.

I mean, replace one klaw with a big choppa on just one nob and you're golden. And when it comes to it, use the big choppa nob as a throwaway challenge character first.

You can't fail morale checks or pinning tests with green tide. The ghaz supplement means you add. +3 to the roll on the mob rule table meaning at worst you lose a few boys( of your choice) Unless of course your tide is less then 10 boyz or someone killed your 9 charscters but at that point your tide is already dead.

Fear checks is really the only issue because it makes your big mean ws6-7 assaulting tide a lot weaker. And tournaments right now is heavily invested in monstrous creatures and chaos demons. That's why I wanted to know if his 5th battle report was effected by not being fearless it was a demon nid list with 6 monstrous creatures. But he didn't think it mattered.

To be fair though I agree with you. Make that greentide warboss use a big choppa and give him a bbp. You are going to sit him way in the back away from challange range because he needs to yell waagh each turn and he has a tendency to want to get himself killed by challanging everyone. It's not like his str7-8 big choppa ap5 is bad either.

I like the super cybork on warboss and Grotsnik. I've seen many a painboy and warboss get snipped out of the green tide by barrage weapons it'scrazy. =(

 Fxeni wrote:

Kap'n Krump wrote:Maybe I'm just a pessimist, and I don't really follow tournaments that closely, so feel free to discount me for saying this,

buuuuuuuuut.......

Isn't this proof that orks aren't competitive? At best, it's proof that orks aren't quite as uncompetitive as people like me give them credit for, but still orks got completely shut out by the big dogs - eldar, SM, demons, knights, hell even tyranids.

I mean, cheering on orks for not being utterly curb-stomped seems somewhat hollow, at best.

Nothing against the guy for playing orks at a very competitive tournament - I'm sure a green tide in a timed format was difficult, and I appreciate the effort, and a good showing at that. I'd love to see your final list and general tactics for pointers, incidentally.

But.....orks doing better than expected clearly doesn't mean they're doing well, competitively.

I never meant to prove that Orks are the best Codex out there. It's not terribly hard to see they aren't.

What I DID mean to prove, however, was that Orks COULD compete in the meta. Not that they were the best - just that they could also throw in with the big boys of Nids, Eldar, and Summoning.

koooaei wrote:Gendel's coughing bully boyz.

Anywayz, i think greentide can do well in regular maelstorm too. Even mass drop pods won't have enough place to land. Though, explosions would be devastating. I think you can loose a greentide to a bunch of exploding pods if you charge them

That would be hilariously fun.

gungo wrote:While he wanted one he didn't know where to shave points and felt a 103 boy blob from the ghaz book with ld9 was going to pass every pin and morale test with few casualties regardless. However I want to see his battle report because I have a feeling the one match he lost vs a demon nid player with with fatewaeaver, a greater demon, demon prince and 3 flyrants might have played a small role in that loss not to mention that the guy was being a bit difficult asking for obscure rules from judges and appeared to be playing tactically slow on purpose. You kinda have to expect that kind of play from a handful of people at these big tournaments though

Without spoiling anything from game 5, my loss had nothing to do with the BBP - but rather, some rather unfortunate circumstances involving the game and the interactions between my opponent and I.

Killermonkey wrote:I watched a little coverage on front-line gaming stream of the tournament and they brought up how people were getting a little salty about the green tide formation using a voidshield generators with 1 boy within range granting the whole unit the protection of 3 HPs of AV 12. I'm going to go ahead and assume this was your list because of the inclusion of the voidshields and that no one would care if you were scrubbing out using it. So while I don't know how much that actually affected things but seems pretty janky rules useage to me. Either way, you had to have played well to place how you did so congrats are in order! Good work crushing some people in the green tide

Eh, you gotta take that sort of thing with a little bit of salt. People complain - it's the nature of the internet. I would argue that while the VSG is good, it is hardly broken for several reasons:

1. It doesn't protect me from Psychic Powers of any kind.
2. It doesn't protect me from assault.
3. There are ways to get around it.
4. In this shooting meta, it's hardly difficult to manage 3 AV12 shots with no saves whatsoever.
5. There are WAY WAY WORSE things out there to deal with. VSG is a joke compared to summoning 2++ rerollable FMCs, or Str D shooting, or a Lynx with a 4+ and then another 4+ to neglect ANY hit, etc.

It's a tournament, people. You should expect tough lists. Mine's no exception, especially if I wanna compete!

Don't let the haters on the internet get you down. Remember to be proud of what you've accomplished, and let they nay-saying fall by the wayside.

I personally think its great that you proved to the world that orks can cut it at the competitive level. It just takes the right general with the right list.
Bravo, and can't wait to see the batreps!

 Fxeni wrote:

Kap'n Krump wrote:Maybe I'm just a pessimist, and I don't really follow tournaments that closely, so feel free to discount me for saying this,

buuuuuuuuut.......

Isn't this proof that orks aren't competitive? At best, it's proof that orks aren't quite as uncompetitive as people like me give them credit for, but still orks got completely shut out by the big dogs - eldar, SM, demons, knights, hell even tyranids.

I mean, cheering on orks for not being utterly curb-stomped seems somewhat hollow, at best.

Nothing against the guy for playing orks at a very competitive tournament - I'm sure a green tide in a timed format was difficult, and I appreciate the effort, and a good showing at that. I'd love to see your final list and general tactics for pointers, incidentally.

But.....orks doing better than expected clearly doesn't mean they're doing well, competitively.

I never meant to prove that Orks are the best Codex out there. It's not terribly hard to see they aren't.

What I DID mean to prove, however, was that Orks COULD compete in the meta. Not that they were the best - just that they could also throw in with the big boys of Nids, Eldar, and Summoning.

koooaei wrote:Gendel's coughing bully boyz.

Anywayz, i think greentide can do well in regular maelstorm too. Even mass drop pods won't have enough place to land. Though, explosions would be devastating. I think you can loose a greentide to a bunch of exploding pods if you charge them

That would be hilariously fun.

gungo wrote:While he wanted one he didn't know where to shave points and felt a 103 boy blob from the ghaz book with ld9 was going to pass every pin and morale test with few casualties regardless. However I want to see his battle report because I have a feeling the one match he lost vs a demon nid player with with fatewaeaver, a greater demon, demon prince and 3 flyrants might have played a small role in that loss not to mention that the guy was being a bit difficult asking for obscure rules from judges and appeared to be playing tactically slow on purpose. You kinda have to expect that kind of play from a handful of people at these big tournaments though

Without spoiling anything from game 5, my loss had nothing to do with the BBP - but rather, some rather unfortunate circumstances involving the game and the interactions between my opponent and I.

Killermonkey wrote:I watched a little coverage on front-line gaming stream of the tournament and they brought up how people were getting a little salty about the green tide formation using a voidshield generators with 1 boy within range granting the whole unit the protection of 3 HPs of AV 12. I'm going to go ahead and assume this was your list because of the inclusion of the voidshields and that no one would care if you were scrubbing out using it. So while I don't know how much that actually affected things but seems pretty janky rules useage to me. Either way, you had to have played well to place how you did so congrats are in order! Good work crushing some people in the green tide

Eh, you gotta take that sort of thing with a little bit of salt. People complain - it's the nature of the internet. I would argue that while the VSG is good, it is hardly broken for several reasons:

1. It doesn't protect me from Psychic Powers of any kind.
2. It doesn't protect me from assault.
3. There are ways to get around it.
4. In this shooting meta, it's hardly difficult to manage 3 AV12 shots with no saves whatsoever.
5. There are WAY WAY WORSE things out there to deal with. VSG is a joke compared to summoning 2++ rerollable FMCs, or Str D shooting, or a Lynx with a 4+ and then another 4+ to neglect ANY hit, etc.

It's a tournament, people. You should expect tough lists. Mine's no exception, especially if I wanna compete!

More importantly than any of that. The VSG was clearly ruled on before the tournament started. They laid how out they were playing it and they were allowing it. Someone complaining about anyone using it as FLG intended is simply a poor sport.

Green Tide has some liabilities such as getting bogged down in assault for several turns. It requires skill to play well and a good go to choice for Orks.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Green Tide has some liabilities such as getting bogged down in assault for several turns. It requires skill to play well and a good go to choice for Orks.

I agree, IA8 is supposedly getting a refresh soon. I believe the next book. That just might make the dread mob list better and it's not half bad now but I am unsure how competitve that list would be considering walkers need a lot of help.

I am hoping for a speed freak supplement because bikers, deffkoptas, buggies, and trakks are really good units. A few decent formations and that could be a very competitve list as well.

But they've ruled VSG this way themselves! It's like going to LVO and complaining that it's in Las Vegas and not in your hometown. Your Hometown Open - YHO.

 koooaei wrote:
But they've ruled VSG this way themselves! It's like going to LVO and complaining that it's in Las Vegas and not in your hometown. Your Hometown Open - YHO.

But...but...but... That IS my biggest complaint! Can't they move Vegas closer?

Would cost me about £1000 ($1.5k at today's rate) to attend. Not that I've looked at costs or anything...