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Hey,

Sorry if this is obvious but I was wondering, looking at the primary chapters, who is the equivalent of who in terms of loyalist vs chaos marines.
An example might be Space Wolves Vs World Eaters based on their close combat prowess etc...

Any help in figuring this out, looking from both a fluff and play style.

Dark Angels - Sons of Horus
White Scars - Night Lords
Space Wolves - Thousand Sons
Imperial Fists - Iron Warriors
Blood Angels - World Eaters
Iron Hands - Emperor's Children
Ultramarines - Word Bearers
Salamanders - Death Guard
Raven Guard - Alpha Legion

Thanks!

These are the ones I can say with relative certainty:
White Scars/Night Lords
Imperial Fists/Iron Warriors
Iron Hands/Death Guard
Salamanders/Emperors Children
Raven Guard/Alpha Legion

Everything else is rather debatable IMO including Space Wolves/World Eaters. During the Heresy the Blood Angels were most often compared to the World Eaters.


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Tartleton has it pretty dead on actually, I would agree with all that, except I would switch Death Guard and Emperors Children.

Reasoning: Both The Emperors Children and the Salamanders were known for heavy emphasis on being artisans, as well as for nobility, loyalty, etc. and both emphasized a combined arms aspect to warfare.

Death Guard and Iron Hands were both commonly used in hazardous environments and known for their individual resilience.

Of course, I can see his justification for what he did as well, either way, I think thats about as close as you'll get to it.

Col. Tartleton wrote:
Ultramarines - Word Bearers

Wat?

The Ultramarines were so opposite the Word Bearers that Lorgar stewed about it for 50 years, fell to Chaos and then destroyed the Imperium.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Col. Tartleton wrote:
Ultramarines - Word Bearers

Wat?

The Ultramarines were so opposite the Word Bearers that Lorgar stewed about it for 50 years, fell to Chaos and then destroyed the Imperium.

They were enemies, but in a lot of ways they hated each other for their similarities. Both of them are dogmatic to a fault, concerned with building lasting empires, and have an even bigger daddy complex than most legions

 TheAngrySquig wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Col. Tartleton wrote:
Ultramarines - Word Bearers

Wat?

The Ultramarines were so opposite the Word Bearers that Lorgar stewed about it for 50 years, fell to Chaos and then destroyed the Imperium.

They were enemies, but in a lot of ways they hated each other for their similarities. Both of them are dogmatic to a fault, concerned with building lasting empires, and have an even bigger daddy complex than most legions

The Ultramarines have much more in common with the Alpha Legion then they do with the Word Bearers.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 TheAngrySquig wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Col. Tartleton wrote:
Ultramarines - Word Bearers

Wat?

The Ultramarines were so opposite the Word Bearers that Lorgar stewed about it for 50 years, fell to Chaos and then destroyed the Imperium.

They were enemies, but in a lot of ways they hated each other for their similarities. Both of them are dogmatic to a fault, concerned with building lasting empires, and have an even bigger daddy complex than most legions

The Ultramarines have much more in common with the Alpha Legion then they do with the Word Bearers.

Maybe, but Raven Guard is a way better fit for Alpha Legion

 TheAngrySquig wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 TheAngrySquig wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Col. Tartleton wrote:
Ultramarines - Word Bearers

Wat?

The Ultramarines were so opposite the Word Bearers that Lorgar stewed about it for 50 years, fell to Chaos and then destroyed the Imperium.

They were enemies, but in a lot of ways they hated each other for their similarities. Both of them are dogmatic to a fault, concerned with building lasting empires, and have an even bigger daddy complex than most legions

The Ultramarines have much more in common with the Alpha Legion then they do with the Word Bearers.

Maybe, but Raven Guard is a way better fit for Alpha Legion

The Night Lords have more in common with the Raven Guard then the Alpha Legion.The Alpha Legion are basically carbon copies of the Ultramarines, only they're more excessive and elaborate, hence them spending months to plot the downfall of a single planet in an attempt to impress Guilliman by taking a planet without losing barely anyone.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 TheAngrySquig wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 TheAngrySquig wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Col. Tartleton wrote:
Ultramarines - Word Bearers

Wat?

The Ultramarines were so opposite the Word Bearers that Lorgar stewed about it for 50 years, fell to Chaos and then destroyed the Imperium.

They were enemies, but in a lot of ways they hated each other for their similarities. Both of them are dogmatic to a fault, concerned with building lasting empires, and have an even bigger daddy complex than most legions

The Ultramarines have much more in common with the Alpha Legion then they do with the Word Bearers.

Maybe, but Raven Guard is a way better fit for Alpha Legion

The Night Lords have more in common with the Raven Guard then the Alpha Legion.The Alpha Legion are basically carbon copies of the Ultramarines, only they're more excessive and elaborate, hence them spending months to plot the downfall of a single planet in an attempt to impress Guilliman by taking a planet without losing barely anyone.

Most of them don't have perfect matches. And I don't know, I just see the Ultramarines and Word Bearers having a more similar mindset than the Ultramarines and Alpha Legion

The rivalries (as that's what this topic seems to have turned into) aren't necessarily mutual. For example the BA hate the Black Legion due to Horus killing Sanguinius, as well as other atrocities committed by Abaddon to that chapter, but the Black Legion don't have anything against the BA above the malice they have for all loyalists.

If we're talking 'equivalent' the closest to the Black Legion would be the Ultramarines as they're sort of the 'default' of each others respective camps, holding closest to the original plan of their respective factions, and generally being better than the watered down versions of their respective factions.

 TheAngrySquig wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Col. Tartleton wrote:
Ultramarines - Word Bearers

Wat?

The Ultramarines were so opposite the Word Bearers that Lorgar stewed about it for 50 years, fell to Chaos and then destroyed the Imperium.

They were enemies, but in a lot of ways they hated each other for their similarities. Both of them are dogmatic to a fault, concerned with building lasting empires, and have an even bigger daddy complex than most legions

Correct. When the Ultramarines conquered a world, they built defenses, production centers, established trade routes, set up governments to ensure loyalty to the Emperor, etc. etc. etc. before moving on. When the Word Bearers conquered a world, they built churches, temples, cathedrals, statues, gave sermons, and set up religions to ensure loyalty to the Emperor, etc. etc. etc. before moving on.

An argument could be made that Black Legion/Ultramarines are paired, but thats more a result of the similarities between Horus and Guilliman than it is their Legions MOs. Black Legion (well, Sons of Horus) were known for their aggressiveness and ferocity, as well as martial pride and as such have more in common with the Dark Angels as a result.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 TheAngrySquig wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Col. Tartleton wrote:
Ultramarines - Word Bearers

Wat?

The Ultramarines were so opposite the Word Bearers that Lorgar stewed about it for 50 years, fell to Chaos and then destroyed the Imperium.

They were enemies, but in a lot of ways they hated each other for their similarities. Both of them are dogmatic to a fault, concerned with building lasting empires, and have an even bigger daddy complex than most legions

The Ultramarines have much more in common with the Alpha Legion then they do with the Word Bearers.

They really don't. In fact, the Alpha Legions covert ops, etc. was generally viewed with distrust and distaste by the Ultramarines and other Legions, to the extent that they came to blows over it several times before the Heresy broke out.

The Night Lords have more in common with the Raven Guard then the Alpha Legion.The Alpha Legion are basically carbon copies of the Ultramarines, only they're more excessive and elaborate, hence them spending months to plot the downfall of a single planet in an attempt to impress Guilliman by taking a planet without losing barely anyone.

Incorrect. Raven Guard were known for their covert operations, sabotage, and assassinations, as well as a general distaste and outright avoidance of frontal assaults. These are all traits shared with the Alpha Legion. Night Lords on the other hand favored terror tactics and overwhelming force. In fact, they basically do the opposite of the Raven Guard and the Alpha Legion. RG and AL are all sneaky sneaky like, meanwhile the Night Lords WANT you to know that they're there (and in fact conquered entire planets on that basis alone), they WANT you to know that they're kicking your ass, and that the city over there was just burned to the ground and every citizen slaughtered and hung from the ruins. To that end the Night Lords were encouraged to decorate their armor to make themselves more visible and more terrifying. The only real similarity between the Night Lords and the Raven Guard are their common association with jump packs in imagery.