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2015/02/14 04:06:02
Subject: Casino in NJ to allow physical skill-based gambling
ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. -- An Atlantic City casino is about to redefine casino gambling by introducing a new style of wagering: competition based on a physical skill rather than luck.
Executives at The Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa told The Associated Press on Friday that they've gotten permission from New Jersey gambling regulators to host a basketball contest next month in which players shoot free throws for money.
It's the first of what promises to be many skill-based events that let gamblers take greater control over the outcomes of their bets, rather than relying on a roll of the dice, spin of the wheel or deal of the cards.
"This is a first step, something we've never been able to do until now," said Joe Lupo, the casino's senior vice president. "A year from now, you'll probably see a lot more of these skill-based tournaments or even games on the casino floor."
Similar to poker, bettors are gambling against each other, not the house, as in blackjack or slots.
For a $20 buy-in, contestants compete in 90-second rounds for the right to play in the final round of 16 in a bracket format. The top four finishers will split $10,000, with the winner getting $5,000. A valid Borgata players' club card is required to participate in the contest.
The program was approved by the New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement under its "New Jersey First" initiative to adopt and enact new gambling products before other states.
The Borgata, the state division and the American Gaming Association all said the March 21 tournament would be the first of its kind in the nation, based on physical skill. Although many companies offer real-money skill-based gambling, particularly online, and there is an element of skill involved in poker, this program is the first of its kind offered by a licensed United States casino, New Jersey officials say.
"It's purely a physical dexterity contest," said Eric Weiss, director of the gambling enforcement division's technical services bureau.
Other Atlantic City casinos are also free to propose similar real-money games for approval, though each must be evaluated individually by the state.
"It's smart for them to be creative and try to find new ways to provide what consumers want, given the highly competitive nature of the region," said Chris Moyer, a spokesman for the American Gaming Association, the gambling industry's trade group.
Free throws will be shot from a 15-foot distance, at a 10-foot-high basket using a professional regulation-size ball.
Lupo said anyone -- of legal casino gambling age of 21 -- could play, even professional athletes. So does that mean LeBron James could enter?
"Definitely," Lupo said. "In fact, I wish he would.
Since the legalization of gambling in PA the casinos over there have been tanking. It will be interesting to see where this goes a year or two from now.
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2015/02/14 04:25:19
Subject: Re:Casino in NJ to allow physical skill-based gambling
This seems like a bad idea for the casino. I'm actually okay with it. We'll see how long it lasts. Personally, blackjack is my game of choice. Surely everyone knows that it's the only game to play though.
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How is it bad? Unless the casino is run by a bunch of incompetent morons they're going to ensure that the total value of the entry fees for the skill contest is more than the amount paid in prizes. As long as they do that they're guaranteed to make a profit on every skill contest, and the only possible loss is if too few people play them to cover the non-prize costs (employees to run them, space not being used for other casino games, etc). And in that case all the casino has to do is stop running the unpopular event and replace it with something more profitable.
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2015/02/14 04:42:31
Subject: Casino in NJ to allow physical skill-based gambling
Hey, if it saves AC then Im all for it, but they have to realize at some point that gambling isnt a destination, AC really has to offer something other than gambling if it wants to drae thr crowds in.
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2015/02/14 05:14:15
Subject: Casino in NJ to allow physical skill-based gambling
d-usa wrote: It's just like poker. Everybody pays to play, the casino gets a cut, the rest goes back to the players.
Its like a poker tournament, yeah, but its quite different from cash games; which is what you generally see in casinos. That said I expect that, like poker tournaments, these free throw contests won't be held every day, and will likely require advanced payment and registration.
Its actually an interesting idea, as this sort of thing might get around some of the gambling restrictions in other states, as it isn't technically a game of chance.
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2015/02/14 06:17:27
Subject: Casino in NJ to allow physical skill-based gambling
d-usa wrote: It's just like poker. Everybody pays to play, the casino gets a cut, the rest goes back to the players.
Cash games
I like money.
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2015/02/14 06:19:08
Subject: Casino in NJ to allow physical skill-based gambling
d-usa wrote: It's just like poker. Everybody pays to play, the casino gets a cut, the rest goes back to the players.
Its like a poker tournament, yeah, but its quite different from cash games; which is what you generally see in casinos. That said I expect that, like poker tournaments, these free throw contests won't be held every day, and will likely require advanced payment and registration.
Yeah, I was just mainly talking about the "casino making money" aspect of it.
But I am looking forward to watching the Would Tour of Free-Throws on ESPN
2015/02/14 06:21:21
Subject: Casino in NJ to allow physical skill-based gambling
But I am looking forward to watching the Would Tour of Free-Throws on ESPN
Actually, if I were the casino, I would try and set up some kind of charity launch event with former pros; much like celebrity poker.
Something like that would be a draw I'm sure. I imagine that here are lots of folks with more disposable income than me who would want to see if they can out-score former NBA players.
2015/02/14 06:42:03
Subject: Casino in NJ to allow physical skill-based gambling
I think that, at initial glance it's a terrible idea (how many guys are good at free throws??)
BUT, in the time it took for me to scroll to the bottom reading comments, it struck me that this is a good idea, provided they do a couple things: Alter the physicality of the "game"
By this I mean, alter the height of the hoop. Alter the size of the hoop, don't use a standard size ball, etc.
This will work out better for the casino, because guys will show up initially thinking "heh, I was good a free throws in school, Imma clean out this casino", only to find out the hard way about the physical alterations to the equipment. This will lead to their competitive nature coming out and they will put more money in for more throws to "figure it out", etc.
2015/02/14 06:57:01
Subject: Casino in NJ to allow physical skill-based gambling
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Ensis Ferrae wrote: I think that, at initial glance it's a terrible idea (how many guys are good at free throws??)
BUT, in the time it took for me to scroll to the bottom reading comments, it struck me that this is a good idea, provided they do a couple things: Alter the physicality of the "game"
By this I mean, alter the height of the hoop. Alter the size of the hoop, don't use a standard size ball, etc.
This will work out better for the casino, because guys will show up initially thinking "heh, I was good a free throws in school, Imma clean out this casino", only to find out the hard way about the physical alterations to the equipment. This will lead to their competitive nature coming out and they will put more money in for more throws to "figure it out", etc.
Unnecessary. Most people who think "I was good with X in High School" tend to have one of the two following problems. 1) Its not High School anymore or 2) they weren't actually good in High School.
Sure, some people who are actually good will likely take the Casino's money, but they'll be outnumbered by the bad shots by a big margin so it will make the Casino money.
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Ensis Ferrae wrote: I think that, at initial glance it's a terrible idea (how many guys are good at free throws??)
BUT, in the time it took for me to scroll to the bottom reading comments, it struck me that this is a good idea, provided they do a couple things: Alter the physicality of the "game"
By this I mean, alter the height of the hoop. Alter the size of the hoop, don't use a standard size ball, etc.
This will work out better for the casino, because guys will show up initially thinking "heh, I was good a free throws in school, Imma clean out this casino", only to find out the hard way about the physical alterations to the equipment. This will lead to their competitive nature coming out and they will put more money in for more throws to "figure it out", etc.
Unnecessary. Most people who think "I was good with X in High School" tend to have one of the two following problems. 1) Its not High School anymore or 2) they weren't actually good in High School.
Sure, some people who are actually good will likely take the Casino's money, but they'll be outnumbered by the bad shots by a big margin so it will make the Casino money.
But they are not playing the casino, so the casino doesn't care if you make all your shots or none at all. They are playing each other with the casino facilitating the competition and taking an "administration" fee.
2015/02/14 06:59:06
Subject: Casino in NJ to allow physical skill-based gambling
Ensis Ferrae wrote: I think that, at initial glance it's a terrible idea (how many guys are good at free throws??)
BUT, in the time it took for me to scroll to the bottom reading comments, it struck me that this is a good idea, provided they do a couple things: Alter the physicality of the "game"
By this I mean, alter the height of the hoop. Alter the size of the hoop, don't use a standard size ball, etc.
This will work out better for the casino, because guys will show up initially thinking "heh, I was good a free throws in school, Imma clean out this casino", only to find out the hard way about the physical alterations to the equipment. This will lead to their competitive nature coming out and they will put more money in for more throws to "figure it out", etc.
And that is how the carnies make their money on the mid way.
2015/02/14 06:59:45
Subject: Casino in NJ to allow physical skill-based gambling
But they are not playing the casino, so the casino doesn't care if you make all your shots or none at all. They are playing each other with the casino facilitating the competition and taking an "administration" fee.
So it's more like HORSE instead of the pizza parlor hoops game then... makes a bit more sense.
2015/02/14 07:15:10
Subject: Casino in NJ to allow physical skill-based gambling
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