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I'm just getting back into 40k and decided to try out some wolves. I remember back in 5th edition they were crazy powerful. I heard from a few people that the new space wolves codex is a lot more toned down. Is this true? How do they compare with normal Marines now?

Well they still have their own codex! But the space marines have a lot of focus on variety still, while wolves have been fine tuned to prefer CC. They aren't crazy op, I would say they are pretty balanced

 luky7dayz wrote:
Well they still have their own codex!

Would you say that the relative power level of the codex has gone up or down compared to the previous version?

How do SW compare with Tau, Necron, Nids and Orks?

newspacewolvesplayer wrote:

 luky7dayz wrote:
Well they still have their own codex!

Would you say that the relative power level of the codex has gone up or down compared to the previous version?

How do SW compare with Tau, Necron, Nids and Orks?

Necrons > SW > Tau > Nids > Orks

Well first of all there is no such thing as playing nids or playing SW. "Normal" nids are rather horrible, skyblight nids aka 3+hive tyrands and other shoty FMC are good. Never seen an actualy good orc army, at least not at 1500pts. Necron were very good, now they have a new codex which means that the old stuff doesn't work anymore, but people say that their special formation is very good.

SW went from grey hunters and long fangs with rune priests to spaming as many TWC under the effect of a formation with minimal troops in some pods or flyers. And like all marine armies they run ally centurions. Some take tigurius with those other tanks white scars to give the TWC hit and run.

This is a bit of an odd question I think... like, are you trying to figure out if the Wolves got a crappy codex? If you were to use the 5th ed Space Wolves Codex now, you'd be in for an uphill battle, whereas the 7th ed Space Wolves Codex can hold its own against basically everyone (literally the only army I struggle against when I play is Eldar).

In terms of the meta though, in 5th ed, Space Wolves had the best army build in the game, period, whereas 7th ed Space Wolves are probably around upper-mid-tier, just below Tau and Necrons but above Blood Angels, IMHO.

Also, you have to take into account that the 5th ed Wolves Codex was only super powerful because of the Rune Priest/Grey Hunter/Long Fang combo spam, basically everything else was mediocre at best. In 7th ed, basically the entire Codex is playable, with only Thunderwolves being compulsory in competitive play.

SGTPozy wrote:

newspacewolvesplayer wrote:

 luky7dayz wrote:
Well they still have their own codex!

Would you say that the relative power level of the codex has gone up or down compared to the previous version?

How do SW compare with Tau, Necron, Nids and Orks?

Necrons > SW > Tau > Nids > Orks

As much as I despise the SW, there is no way I can claim they are better than Tau.

Martel732 wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:

newspacewolvesplayer wrote:

 luky7dayz wrote:
Well they still have their own codex!

Would you say that the relative power level of the codex has gone up or down compared to the previous version?

How do SW compare with Tau, Necron, Nids and Orks?

Necrons > SW > Tau > Nids > Orks

As much as I despise the SW, there is no way I can claim they are better than Tau.

That's nice...

I'm saying your order is wrong and Andilus has a more accurate order. SW are meqs without access to biker troops or gravstars.

Martel732 wrote:
I'm saying your order is wrong and Andilus has a more accurate order. SW are meqs without access to biker troops or gravstars.

That's your opinion... Anyway, SMs would obviously be higher up on the list but they weren't included in the list.

SWs have TWC... Enough said.

SGTPozy wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I'm saying your order is wrong and Andilus has a more accurate order. SW are meqs without access to biker troops or gravstars.

That's your opinion... Anyway, SMs would obviously be higher up on the list but they weren't included in the list.

SWs have TWC... Enough said.

I feel confident that if BA can shoot the TWC, the Tau can.

The space wolves don't need the bike troops, or the centurions. Their main strength is a rediculous amount of area denial and powerful support with flyers and melee focussed, fast moving objective takers. I've beaten tau, necrons, orks, and astra militarum, and ultramarines without having to resort to a giant pile of wolves. The option to get one reserve in guaranteed, and give most units outflank is rediculous! They are strong, in every sense of the word. Anyone who would say otherwise with a straight face needs to stop focusing on what the death stars are doing to them.

The relative power of a codex to another codex is irrelevant due to Unbound Formations. You can now pick what ever model or unit you want from any codex in the game and make an army out of it.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
The space wolves don't need the bike troops, or the centurions. Their main strength is a rediculous amount of area denial and powerful support with flyers and melee focussed, fast moving objective takers. I've beaten tau, necrons, orks, and astra militarum, and ultramarines without having to resort to a giant pile of wolves. The option to get one reserve in guaranteed, and give most units outflank is rediculous! They are strong, in every sense of the word. Anyone who would say otherwise with a straight face needs to stop focusing on what the death stars are doing to them.

Which formation/detachment adds the "automatically get a unit from reserves" item? I've seen it mentioned a few times, but poking through the book, I don't see it.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:


Which formation/detachment adds the "automatically get a unit from reserves" item? I've seen it mentioned a few times, but poking through the book, I don't see it.

In the wolves unleashed detachment, it is part of their command benefits. I use that with a drop pod full of blood claws and a runepriest, some wolf scouts in a razorback, and sky/swift claws swinging upfield as fast as possible. Turn two onward is everything driving in from the side/ falling from the sky due to the beacon on the drop pod.

Martel732 wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I'm saying your order is wrong and Andilus has a more accurate order. SW are meqs without access to biker troops or gravstars.

That's your opinion... Anyway, SMs would obviously be higher up on the list but they weren't included in the list.

SWs have TWC... Enough said.

I feel confident that if BA can shoot the TWC, the Tau can.

I know this is anecdotal, but I have absolutely no problems with my Wolves vs Tau. I've tabled triptide with relative ease. However, I think that Tau do better vs more opponents (especially Eldar), so even though I'd say SW are better than Tau, Tau are better vs more things than SW... therefore, in the meta, Tau > SW by a little bit.

SGTPozy wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:

newspacewolvesplayer wrote:

 luky7dayz wrote:
Well they still have their own codex!

Would you say that the relative power level of the codex has gone up or down compared to the previous version?

How do SW compare with Tau, Necron, Nids and Orks?

Necrons > SW > Tau > Nids > Orks

As much as I despise the SW, there is no way I can claim they are better than Tau.

That's nice...

He is telling you a fact, not an opinion,that your order is wrong.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:

newspacewolvesplayer wrote:

 luky7dayz wrote:
Well they still have their own codex!

Would you say that the relative power level of the codex has gone up or down compared to the previous version?

How do SW compare with Tau, Necron, Nids and Orks?

Necrons > SW > Tau > Nids > Orks

As much as I despise the SW, there is no way I can claim they are better than Tau.

That's nice...

He is telling you a fact, not an opinion,that your order is wrong.

Where is the evidence to disprove my order? There isn't any... So how is it a fact?
I say that it is a fact that his 'fact' is not a fact but an opinion (now that is a fact).

I never said it was a fact. But the Tau basically ignore most of the SW advantages over vanilla marines. I can't see how that goes well for the SW most of the time.

Martel732 wrote:
I never said it was a fact. But the Tau basically ignore most of the SW advantages over vanilla marines. I can't see how that goes well for the SW most of the time.

Yeah, I get that but the other guy claimed that what you said was a fact when it is actually just an opinion.

SGTPozy wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I never said it was a fact. But the Tau basically ignore most of the SW advantages over vanilla marines. I can't see how that goes well for the SW most of the time.

Yeah, I get that but the other guy claimed that what you said was a fact when it is actually just an opinion.

Not sure why he said that. But there are definitely a lot of chapters I'd pick to battle Tau with over SW.

I see Tau hate...

I can't comment on Space Wolves' strength, but I would assume (but it is an assumption) that as they're called SM+1 they're better than SM.

I don't know all armies really well but if I had to rank them, i would assume SW is about 5th or 6th in this list (not in order).

1st/2nd Eldar or Necron
3rd-6th Tau, Space Marine, Space Wolves or Daemons.

Boniface wrote:
I see Tau hate...

I can't comment on Space Wolves' strength, but I would assume (but it is an assumption) that as they're called SM+1 they're better than SM.

I don't know all armies really well but if I had to rank them, i would assume SW is about 5th or 6th in this list (not in order).

1st/2nd Eldar or Necron
3rd-6th Tau, Space Marine, Space Wolves or Daemons.

Are you sure you don't mean SM -1? BA are usually SM-2 or SW-1. SM are the best (all around and unit wise) marine based codex.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

Boniface wrote:
I see Tau hate...

I can't comment on Space Wolves' strength, but I would assume (but it is an assumption) that as they're called SM+1 they're better than SM.

I don't know all armies really well but if I had to rank them, i would assume SW is about 5th or 6th in this list (not in order).

1st/2nd Eldar or Necron
3rd-6th Tau, Space Marine, Space Wolves or Daemons.

Are you sure you don't mean SM -1? BA are usually SM-2 or SW-1. SM are the best (all around and unit wise) marine based codex.

Is that another 'fact'?

Since obviously you're a flame baiter I'll bite. It is. If you were to take the optimal builds of the codecy 8/10 times it would favour in the order I've listed. Which...in "fact" makes it a "fact" That the armies are better in the order listed. I apologize that your likeness for Sw has you wishing they were on a higher scale than they are.

TWC are largely unaffected by IA Riptides due to their 3++, so how will Tau win?

Eh, best codex, best army, whatevers. If I play the game to play the best army I'd have gone for Tau or Necron. Instead I play Space Wolves with IG/AM allies, and run a small LntD army.

I also like to say that the Space Wolves are weaker because some of the best blings that used to be available to GH, Terminator, and Long fangs are now gone. But the army is now better because you can try some thing new instead of the old GH centric army (and still have a shot at winning).

SGTPozy wrote:
TWC are largely unaffected by IA Riptides due to their 3++, so how will Tau win?

In this matchup it's simple. You assualt the TWC with your riptide and laugh as they can't kill it all game.

 Xenomancers wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
TWC are largely unaffected by IA Riptides due to their 3++, so how will Tau win?

In this matchup it's simple. You assualt the TWC with your riptide and laugh as they can't kill it all game.

Can't they take Thunder hammers?


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 lcmiracle wrote:
Eh, best codex, best army, whatevers. If I play the game to play the best army I'd have gone for Tau or Necron. Instead I play Space Wolves with IG/AM allies, and run a small LntD army.
.

You said "army", not armies, meaning singular, therefore how can there be two armies as the best "army"?

You mean that Necrons are the best and Tau are slightly better that SW but due to Internet hate against Tau, you went with SW and their Wolfy goodness.

SGTPozy wrote:
TWC are largely unaffected by IA Riptides due to their 3++, so how will Tau win?

Shoot them with your other units and shoot non-TWC with Riptides. Tau 101.


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 Xenomancers wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
TWC are largely unaffected by IA Riptides due to their 3++, so how will Tau win?

In this matchup it's simple. You assualt the TWC with your riptide and laugh as they can't kill it all game.

Or this.


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Boniface wrote:
I see Tau hate...

I can't comment on Space Wolves' strength, but I would assume (but it is an assumption) that as they're called SM+1 they're better than SM.

I don't know all armies really well but if I had to rank them, i would assume SW is about 5th or 6th in this list (not in order).

1st/2nd Eldar or Necron
3rd-6th Tau, Space Marine, Space Wolves or Daemons.

No, I don't hate the Tau nearly as much as SW. I really only hate the Riptide from that codex.