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So I am trying to design a Tyranid Null deployment list. or a list with that option
The question is Does this formation come in automatically if their is no other drop pod in the list? As it has the drop pod assault rules, but it say on a roll in the rules as well thus my question.
Rules of the formation::
Wolf Guard Thunderstrike: 1 unit of 10 Wolfguard in a Drop Pod, and 1 unit of Terminators with all of the supplement special rules (Kingsguard, Sagaborn, First Among Equals). All units in the Formation must deepstrike, and, they all come in on a single roll.

The first wave of a DPA does not roll--it comes automatically on T1. The reset of the things in the list will be in regular DS Reserve, which you may roll for starting T2 (unless there's a special rule you didn't include).

So T1 the DP comes in. T2 is a single roll for all the remaining units.

doesn't the formation have to come in together though.. From how I understand it the termys would come in turn 1 as well.

shadowfinder wrote:
doesn't the formation have to come in together though.. From how I understand it the termys would come in turn 1 as well.

As said before, they come in on a single roll, and if your Drop pod comes in with out a roll how are your Terminators joining it? The Terminators don't even have a rule that would allow them to come in first turn. The RaI might be that the terminators would come in with the Drop pod assault, but RaW is they don't.

Actually, there was an email response from GW reported on a different site which said that the intention is for them to come in together after turn 2.

Makes the unit kinda worthless - no alpha strike whatsoever - but that's just my humble opinion.

As has been said, RAW they can't come in together unless you roll and you can't roll until after turn 2.

Meaning you cannot take the unit at all, unless you have other drip pods, as you will be forced to break a rule.

No rules are broken. The unit just becomes a little less useful if you don't have any additional drop pods.

The DPA rule is broken, or else the formation rule is, as the pod must turn up turn one meaning it cannot arrive in one roll with the termie unit.

The formation rule does not say that both units must arrive together.

It says that if you roll a successful reserves roll for one, they both arrive together.

So if, using DPA, your 1 pod arrives turn 1 without rolling a reserves roll for it, then the terminators just have to wait until they pass their roll before they can deepstrike.

No rules are broken on either side.

Have both arrived together, when they have arrived apart?

What does this question have to do with tyranids?

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Have both arrived together, when they have arrived apart?

Actually, having re-read the rules, I stand corrected.

Thunderstrike says that you make a single roll for the formation and that "On a successful roll, all units in this Formation will arrive."

I thought that it said they "may" arrive together, but as worded, they "will" arrive together.

So if you don't want to break either the DPA rules or the Thunderstrike rules, you have to pay an additional 35 point drop pod tax. Making this formation even worse than I already though it was.