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Because I love discussing the 40k lore here is a fun post:

What Xenos race already mentioned in some part of the 40k fluff do YOU think deserves a modern codex/army? Pretend for a moment that you worked for GW and were given this as an assignment (so no cop out: “We already have all the races we need!” answers: the emperor ordered you! [at least: that's who I assume runs GW])

I would also like to hear some rationale for your pick, and (this is the author part of me talking) if possible some cool references to fluff pieces where they are showcased.

So how about it folks? What hideous Xenos abomination needs more love?

PS: If you say “Squats” you should please have some backup for that answer, because I've been trying to find interesting lore/info on them for about a week now and haven't found even one bit that seemed worthwhile!

I think there is a lot of possibility for a codex composed of the Kroot and other Tau affiliated Xenos (the Kroot actually had their own complete codex at one point).

Instead of doing one species for the entire codex, it could be done piecemeal. For example:

Kroot: Master Shaper/Shaman as HQ, Carnivores as Troops, Knarloc Cavalry as Fast Attack, Great Knarloc as heavy support.

Vespid: Stingwings as Fast Attack or Troops. A queen either HQ or Elite (possibly a Flying Monstrous Creature here).

Gue'vesa Technically not Xenos) as troops, wth a HQ option and maybe a tank for Heavy Support

Demi-Urg: Battlesuit-clad elites and some super artillery heavy support.

plus others as the whim carries the author.

Rak'Gol. They're the only Xenos race that could prove to be a bigger threat then the Tau by intercepting shipping, they're unique, and they have potential for a large array of units.

I know several users have stated their desire for the Hrud to be done (Skaven equivalent).

Personally, I'd like to see the Slaugth, but to be honest, they don't appear to have anywhere new the level of galactic influence that anyone that currently has a codex has.

Aside from the Tau. Considering the minor, insignificant blip on the radar that the Tau are for pretty much every other race, I have to sometimes question why they even have a codex (I do like them though, just not as much as worms that walk).

So I guess Hrud would be the most clear cut choice, with a galactic presence and constantly annoying (and scaring in some cases) the gak out of everyone. Personally, I don't care for the Skaven parallel comparison.

Hrud can't be done. Their army would consist of one unit type that murders everything with their damage and attacks multiplying exponentially the more Hrud there are.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Hrud can't be done. Their army would consist of one unit type that murders everything with their damage and attacks multiplying exponentially the more Hrud there are.

Nothing a little retcon can't "fix"

 King Pariah wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Hrud can't be done. Their army would consist of one unit type that murders everything with their damage and attacks multiplying exponentially the more Hrud there are.

Nothing a little retcon can't "fix"

The entire shtick of the Hrud is that they're entropy incarnate. You might as well make a new xenos race.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Hrud can't be done. Their army would consist of one unit type that murders everything with their damage and attacks multiplying exponentially the more Hrud there are.

Nothing a little retcon can't "fix"

The entire shtick of the Hrud is that they're entropy incarnate. You might as well make a new xenos race.

Eh, just a barebones codex like the Oldcrons

Leader Hrud (rending)
Specialized Hrud (some tailored against inorganics - Newcron entropic strike, others suited for taking out organics - Eldar bladstorm's quasi-rending)
Regular Hrud (New/Oldcron gauss rule)
Faster Hrud and Flying Hrud (New/Oldcron gauss rule)
MC sized Hrud (Wardcron entropic strike)

Add new fluffy reason for different types of Hrud and Done

leerm02 wrote:


Because I love discussing the 40k lore here is a fun post:

What Xenos race already mentioned in some part of the 40k fluff do YOU think deserves a modern codex/army? Pretend for a moment that you worked for GW and were given this as an assignment (so no cop out: “We already have all the races we need!” answers: the emperor ordered you! [at least: that's who I assume runs GW])

I would also like to hear some rationale for your pick, and (this is the author part of me talking) if possible some cool references to fluff pieces where they are showcased.

So how about it folks? What hideous Xenos abomination needs more love?

PS: If you say “Squats” you should please have some backup for that answer, because I've been trying to find interesting lore/info on them for about a week now and haven't found even one bit that seemed worthwhile!

More aliens? Space Marine players are STILL throwing a bitch-fest about the last time GW did that.

I was actually one of those players at the time the Tau were introduced.

I totally feel ashamed of it now because I actually think they have become a welcome and thoughtful addition to the universe...and so much so that I really wouldn't mind more xenos races being added!

Whatever happened to the Cabal that was anti-chaos at the start of the Horus Heresy?

They were an alliance of xenos including eldar. Are they still kicking around? It might be interesting to have an alien version of the inquisition.

At any rate, given how old the eldar are, they should have more factions than just the good the bad and the silly.

Computron wrote:
Whatever happened to the Cabal that was anti-chaos at the start of the Horus Heresy?

They were an alliance of xenos including eldar. Are they still kicking around? It might be interesting to have an alien version of the inquisition.

At any rate, given how old the eldar are, they should have more factions than just the good the bad and the silly.

Exodites. The Cabal aren't an Eldar faction if that's what you were saying, we only know of one Eldar that was part of them.

I wasn't saying they were an eldar faction, just that they included eldar.

You could have a force made up of various xenos who are anti-chaos.

Then I though that the Eldar could do with another fleshed out faction. The Exodites are relatively well known, how much different are they to craftworld ones?

I also agree with having another Tau allied race or maybe doing more with the vespids.

Exodite are fairly different from CW Eldar I believe. They have dinosaurs for a start

oh jeez, those guys...it's like some bad 80s cartoon.

Well Squats are not Xenos but abhumans

I'd rather see a Xenos Mercenaries and Minor Empires Codex yes I know Tau are technically a minor empire - there are quite a few interesting BL mercenary races.........

 Wyzilla wrote:
Hrud can't be done. Their army would consist of one unit type that murders everything with their damage...

IK?

Jefffar wrote:
I think there is a lot of possibility for a codex composed of the Kroot and other Tau affiliated Xenos (the Kroot actually had their own complete codex at one point).

Instead of doing one species for the entire codex, it could be done piecemeal. For example:

Kroot: Master Shaper/Shaman as HQ, Carnivores as Troops, Knarloc Cavalry as Fast Attack, Great Knarloc as heavy support.

Vespid: Stingwings as Fast Attack or Troops. A queen either HQ or Elite (possibly a Flying Monstrous Creature here).

Gue'vesa Technically not Xenos) as troops, wth a HQ option and maybe a tank for Heavy Support

Demi-Urg: Battlesuit-clad elites and some super artillery heavy support.

plus others as the whim carries the author.

Something like this would probably be my pick for a new codex, sounds awesome.

 koooaei wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Hrud can't be done. Their army would consist of one unit type that murders everything with their damage...

IK?

Typo. Left out entropy. Hrud warp space-time and can age anything to death, including planets and blow them. They're also capable of teleporting/independent space travel and are probably the most dangerous Xeno there is. Even Necrons or Tyranids would get wiped out by pissed off Hrud considering they can age you until your atoms fall apart into quarks from their half life aging away in a matter of seconds or minutes.

Sisters of Battle.

Tarellian Dog Soldiers are pretty cool, who doesn't want to play saurus warriors in space

I believe that we should have one codex that adds a multitude of races that can be taken in a 'Xenos Detachment' like the Inquisitorial and Knight codices.

That way they can throw in all of the awesome races they've shown such as -
Thyrrus (Awesome slug type aliens who love being flashy and treat war like a west-end musical) http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Thyrrus#.T1U-J3lLOAg
Hrud (Time-distorting bog monsters who rapidly age anything they're near) http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hrud#.T1U0WnlLOAg
Slaugth (Maggot-men who constantly want to feed on the dead) http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Slaugth#.T1U2L3lLOAg
Loxatl (Komodo Mercenaries with highly perceptive senses) http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Loxatl#.T1U_HnlLOAg
Rak'Gol (Cyborg pirates who are utterly merciless) http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rak'Gol

These are but a few of the races we've seen and since so many of them are deserving of a codex (and they'll never do a codex for all of them), I believe they should have one book that includes lots of them. So we can take alien mercenaries or allies etc.

For codices I suggest
- Exodite Eldar
- Corsair Eldar
- Rak'Gol
- Laer
- Mix of human/xenos, like Diasporex and the Interex
- Adding varius races to the Tau codex

Laer would be fun for 30k players.

 ChazSexington wrote:
For codices I suggest
- Exodite Eldar
- Corsair Eldar
- Rak'Gol
- Laer
- Mix of human/xenos, like Diasporex and the Interex
- Adding varius races to the Tau codex

Laer would be fun for 30k players.

If they ever add aliens to 30k, then it won't be for another ten years, or at least until they finish all of the Legions.


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If we're thinkin' 30k too, then I want me some Nephilim.

We keep hearing about the scary things in the Ghoul Stars, why don't they expand on that. It would mean that they do not have to contradict old fluff to make a working codex.

Yeah I'd love to see the Laer too, easily one of the more interesting factions mentioned in 30k.
The Interex would be cool too.

I like the exodites, personally, and I think the advantage they have is that their worlds are scattered around the galaxy, rather than just a small local area. So, you know, more chance of them actually getting into conflicts with the other factions.

 King Pariah wrote:
I know several users have stated their desire for the Hrud to be done (Skaven equivalent).

Personally, I'd like to see the Slaugth, but to be honest, they don't appear to have anywhere new the level of galactic influence that anyone that currently has a codex has.

Aside from the Tau. Considering the minor, insignificant blip on the radar that the Tau are for pretty much every other race, I have to sometimes question why they even have a codex (I do like them though, just not as much as worms that walk).

So I guess Hrud would be the most clear cut choice, with a galactic presence and constantly annoying (and scaring in some cases) the gak out of everyone. Personally, I don't care for the Skaven parallel comparison.

you're not the only one who thinks the Tau are, as they stand out of place. not bad just a little out of place given that they're a regional power. every other race in 40k is galaxy spanning and could be encountered literally anywhere in the galaxy (which is really part of what 40ks all about it's a monsterously large canvas allowing just about anything to happen) Tau are a bit differnt from that, they are essentially restricted to about a quarter of the galaxy and are comparitivly small scale.

 EmpNortonII wrote:

leerm02 wrote:


Because I love discussing the 40k lore here is a fun post:

What Xenos race already mentioned in some part of the 40k fluff do YOU think deserves a modern codex/army? Pretend for a moment that you worked for GW and were given this as an assignment (so no cop out: “We already have all the races we need!” answers: the emperor ordered you! [at least: that's who I assume runs GW])

I would also like to hear some rationale for your pick, and (this is the author part of me talking) if possible some cool references to fluff pieces where they are showcased.

So how about it folks? What hideous Xenos abomination needs more love?

PS: If you say “Squats” you should please have some backup for that answer, because I've been trying to find interesting lore/info on them for about a week now and haven't found even one bit that seemed worthwhile!

More aliens? Space Marine players are STILL throwing a bitch-fest about the last time GW did that.

It makes you feel special to say that, huh?

Because, you know, nobody does that.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Exodite are fairly different from CW Eldar I believe. They have dinosaurs for a start

If done right they could at some exoticness that seems to be missing from Xenos factions like the Tau (they're too neat somehow). I'd love to see more of the Exodites since they're hardly explored in fluff and would make for really cool models (a much wilder look that would contrast nicely with the Aspect Warrior look). You could change the dinosaurs to weirder creatures, That said, they just released lots of Harlequin stuff so I doubt we'll see another Eldar faction soon.

For other Xenos factions, my first vote would be for the Barghesi. They're mentioned as a "hyper-violent" race that inhabit the Grendl Stars. There's hardly any fluff on them so they could really expand on that.

If Barghests from Fantasy settings are anything to go by, they could potentially look really badass, especially with a sci-fi twist!


Actually the bat creature all the way to right in this rulebook pic potentially looks like a Barghesi:


The Rak'Gol also have potential but the name always makes me think of Rakghoul from Star Wars. They have interesting fluff and look cool too though.



For 30k, I'd like to see the Interex, Nephilim, and Laer. All of them are super interesting and much more exotic than anything in 40k.

Or better, just introduce new Xenos factions we haven't heard of yet. There's depictions of weird looking alien creatures but all we get are humanoids like Tau and Necrons (well skeletal humanoids in the latter case but humanoids all the same).

Btw, the current Dark Eldar are probably what my ideal for a Xenos faction in a sci-fi fantasy setting should look like. Exotic, high-tech, and really out there, but still enough fantasy and eldritch magic left to fit properly into the setting. Unlike the Tau I think (even though I still like them... kinda).