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I was thinking about this the other day....while I was doing some research about time theory.

The Warp space was a place of balance and peaceful space before Chaos took over and turn the Warp into what it is currently in 40K,... which is now the Realm of Chaos, it is a place of madness and time doesn't exist... and 4 chaos gods are the masters.

Real quick definition so you don't get mixed up.
The Warp: I will call the Warp as in the warp space before Chaos came into exist in that space.
Realm of Chaos: Realm of Chaos is the Warp space after Chaos took over.
Chaos: Chaos are chaos entities and NOT he 4 gods(yet)... just part of it or forming up to become it.

Question: Does time exist in the Warp before Chaos? Please provide proof if you know. To me it has never been stated that in the Warp (before Chaos), time doesn't exist. This could be a "Chaos did it" kind of thing. So I think time existed in the Warp before Chaos turned the warp upside down.

What if the 40K universe (what the fluff is based on, the whole lore) is just an Imaginary time that happened during the creation of Chaos? What I mean is when Chaos came to exists...this caused Imaginary Time on date X of the real time. This explain everything ....

This concept is a bit complicated if you do not understand quantum mechanics and physics or Imaginary Time concept.

This explain why Realm of Chaos, time doesn't exist and Chaos always existed in it ...
Yet, in real time... Chaos only exist when it is born.

Example... Slaanesh always existed in the Realm of Chaos (not the Warp). Slaanesh finally exist in the Material Realm when Eldar gave birth to it during 30,000AD and became sentient being in Realm of Chaos.

This Imaginary Time explained the possibility of time travel and the idea of time does not exist in the realm of Chaos.

Lets assume that Chaos gods came to exist in 1300AD, I will call this Date Y. I think old fluff stated that Chaos came to exist during the middle age. This date Y is not some important, but if the old fluff is correct.. Chaos was created around 1,000 AD - 1,500 AD.

Again, this fit into my Imaginary Time theory.... I always wonder why Chaos gods didn't exist during the millions and millions of years before human even existed. There were billions of worlds with countless xenos giving out emotions and yet... only human came to exist and cause the creation of Chaos.

The Shaman story: The Shaman souls were be eaten in the Warp by the chaos (during Chaos Infancy stage). This is the beginning of Chaos that came into existence ... This Date X must have happen sometime around 1,000,000 to 100,000 BC. So this explain why Eldar and Orks who existed millions before this had nothing to do with feeding Chaos emotions.

Chaos are related to Human... it might have started out as small "evil" Warp entities and ate a few Shaman souls. The Shaman souls are related to human. The Warp entities soon change in to Chaos and continue to grow consuming Shaman souls and humans.
Once Chaos existed, it spread through out the galaxy and the 3 Chaos gods came into exist because Chaos are related to Human. Slaanesh was Eldar out right Chaos gods out right, but the creation of Chaos came from Human.

Date X is when Imaginary Time took place. Once this time took place..every in 40k form that point on make sense...

I hope you understand my theory. Feel free to ask or contradict, I can't find any holes.. but good to know if there is.

BTW - how do I correct the title. I wanted to add THE IMAGINARY TIME THEORY

Chaos were present before humankind was around, though humankind are it's greatest "fuel" so to speak. Without Chaos there is no warp, it is the psychic realm that did not exist before psychic powers existed. When the warp was formed, so were its intelligent denizens.


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Psychic reflection, that is the term I was looking for.

 Rippy wrote:
Chaos were present before humankind was around, though humankind are it's greatest "fuel" so to speak. Without Chaos there is no warp, it is the psychic realm that did not exist before psychic powers existed. When the warp was formed, so were its intelligent denizens.


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Psychic reflection, that is the term I was looking for.

That is not true. According to the Fluff of the Shaman...The warp was a peaceful place and the Shaman can be reincarnated in the peaceful warp. Then Chaos was created... and start eating the Shaman souls.

This means that Chaos came after the Shaman. I would assume that Chaos came also after human.

This explain that Eldar and Orks gods exist in The Warp before Chaos existed. Chaos turn the Warp into a mess or change the Warp into the Realm of Chaos. The Warp always existed... just it is different now.

You need to understand the definition and the distinction between the Warp and Chaos's warp or Realm of Chaos.

The Warp had the Enslaver plague millions of years before human came to existence.
The Warp had Eldar and Orks gods.

I think the Warp is just another dimension space that can have bad gak... like the Enslaver ... and now Chaos ...
When the Warp revert back to "normal" is is peaceful and not full of Chaos entities or Enslavers.

Good and bad are subjective. The warp always had beings of intelligence is what I said, and you now have said the same thing (eldar Gods residing there etc.)
The chaos gods were also always there (fear of death powers Nurgle, blood lust powers Khorne) but their influence were not as big until the rise of humanity. There are countless "warp gods", at the moment there is just the big 4 who hold most control. The Eldar gods are chaos as well in my definition. There is no "normal" for the warp, either humanity dies and the chaos gods diminish to a much smaller version if they don't cease to be at all, or everyone falls to Chaos and the dimensions of the warp and real space fuse together in one massive hodgepodge of chaos.
That is my understanding of it anyway.

 Rippy wrote:
Good and bad are subjective. The warp always had beings of intelligence is what I said, and you now have said the same thing (eldar Gods residing there etc.)
The chaos gods were also always there (fear of death powers Nurgle, blood lust powers Khorne) but their influence were not as big until the rise of humanity. There are countless "warp gods", at the moment there is just the big 4 who hold most control. The Eldar gods are chaos as well in my definition. There is no "normal" for the warp, either humanity dies and the chaos gods diminish to a much smaller version if they don't cease to be at all, or everyone falls to Chaos and the dimensions of the warp and real space fuse together in one massive hodgepodge of chaos.
That is my understanding of it anyway.

MOD, can we close this thread and continue with my Imaginary time like thread?

Because I couldn't edit the title / heading of the thread... people will get off track and talk about the warp. Which is not the focus of this thread... it is the IMAGINARY TIME THEORY... I was trying to explain.

@Rippy -
Please read the Warp at the beginning and not from Chaos POV. According to the fluff of the NEW MAN, it clearly stated that the warp is a place of PEACE, not as is now.

This is why I think that the Warp is not suppose to be like Realm of Chaos, Chaos took over. This also explain why the Eldar and Orks are not like the big 4 and is separated from them.

The "Normal" in the Warp is when everything is balance and not the current state of chaotic and madness that it is.