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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/08 20:49:31
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
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Links:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11457567/Crufts-dog-death-mystery-as-Irish-Setter-dies-amid-claims-of-poisoning-by-jealous-rival.html
The genteel world of Crufts has been rocked by a murder mystery which has seen one dog apparently killed and two others taken ill in suspected poisonings, prompting a police investigation and manhunt.
In one of the biggest scandals to have hit the dog show in its century-long history, it is believed that jealous rival breeders poisoned an award-winning Irish Setter, which collapsed and died within 24 hours competing.
Three-year-old Thendara Satisfaction, known as Jagger, came second in his class for best dog on Thursday, but by midnight on Friday he had collapsed.
Police in Belgium are believed to be investigating the attack at the world's biggest dog show, run by The Kennel Club, which took place at the NEC in Birmingham.
Willem Lauwers, 36, said he and his wife Aleksandra, 34, both professional dog breeders in Belgium, were “devastated” at the loss of their dog.
http://news.sky.com/story/1441018/police-probe-claims-of-crufts-dog-poisoning
A three-year-old Irish Setter has died hours after competing at Crufts dog show, amid claims the animal was poisoned.
Thendara Satisfaction, also known as Jagger, became sick and died in Belgium 26 hours after returning from the show in Birmingham.
The animal's co-owner, Dee Milligan Bott, said post-mortem results revealed Jagger was poisoned by substances placed in cubes of meat, according to reports.
The results of a toxicology report are yet to be released.
In a post on Facebook, Ms Milligan Bott said: "This (poisoning) resulted in a very painful death for our beautiful boy.
The media is looking at jealous rivals for the poisoning suspects. I don't buy that the poison acted after the dog competed, though it was likely to have been administered before and was not the winner in a category. Also two other dogs are sick frfom what appears to be separate categories. I personally think a member of the public did this for lulz got some poisoned meat and fed random dogs, whichever ones they got close to quietly. As a dog is more than happy to take some random meat eat it quickly and appear like nothing happened it will bne easy to pull off.
What pisses me most off about this sick feth is the wristslap for killing the dog they will receive. I hope they are found, the tabloids will certainly make them hurt even if the law wont.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/08 23:13:56
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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Yeah, punishments for these kinds of things are far to low IMO. That said, I wouldn't ever want to be on the bad side of Belgian police, they have a bit of a reputation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/08 23:46:31
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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There are some evil, twisted people around. I am always very careful to make sure my dog never eats anything dropped on the floor; some nice old chap got talking to us the other week as his dog had recently died and he was in his late eighties and not able to have another dog and he had a few biscuits with him, not that my dog was interested as she only eats biscuits at the proper times (self trained on that one!) but those biscuits went in the bin afterwards because you just don't know.
I hope they catch the person responsible although these things often go unsolved. Hopefully the other dogs will recover.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/08 23:48:38
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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Wow.. that's a massively petty thing for someone to do. Some people really are sore losers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 00:43:43
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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Having shown a dog I know that some people can be pretty awful even when the competing is not really very serious (or it wasn't for me anyway) but I imagine that at these top events there will be some real a***holes.
It is unusual that other dogs were targeted although it seems in the case of the Irish Setter other things had happened in the past so I suppose it is possible the other poisonings could have been done to confuse the situation (given less or different drugs as they were not the intended target). Very odd and very sad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 02:32:36
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
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A lot of rumours of motive coming up, including the possibility the wrong dog was 'targeted'. Feeding meat with three different poisons in it (which appears to be the finding so far from the autopsy comments) which nevertheless didn't stop the poisoned dog from competing sounds pointless as a means of sabotage even if the 'right' dog was poisoned.
Looks like a sicko did this at a second glance.
As for sabotage, from what i read in the press it is enough to just mess up a dog so it performs badly on the day, which can be done by puting a lotion in its coat or otherwise de-grooming it, easy to apply, works in the timeframe wanted and doesn't harm the dog.
We had some Bichons, and while we never showed any of them we did do the whole grooming thing. It would ber quite easy to add something clear and odourless and harmless that would make a dogs grooming sufficiently imperfect to not get high points in a show. I know this because its identical to the grooming errors I myself made
and just means using the normal products in the wrong quantities on on the wrong places.
So it must be very easy to mess up a show dogs coat for the day and scupper its handlers chances of a win with some hair stylists gel.
I can imagine people might become fethheads in competitive circles but most will start off as animal friendly. Most people who would want to cheat to win will draw a line at harming someone elses dog to do it, let alone kill it.
I just dont buy it.
Psychos, those I do beleive in. Especially in our current society.
I don't cycle anymore, too many people wanting to deliberately drive you off the road for lulz, there has been a big change in society in the last ten-fifteen years. Memorials ripped for bronze of their plaques, wasn't a problem before, now its a big problem.
So why cant the decline happen in shows also? Killing dogs at dog shows for kicks might not be something in our history, but it might be part of our future in the UK.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 03:00:00
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Competition bring out the worst in people
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 11:04:20
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Poison my dog and you better fill your hands because I'm coming with 00 buckshot and will not be stopped.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 12:49:47
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
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That's unexpectedly lenient of you Frazzie.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 13:00:56
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Didn't say what I'd shoot first.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 13:23:53
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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I seen this earlier. Forum rules and common decency prevent me from posting my thoughts about the individual(s) involved in this heinous act.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 13:48:42
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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It's probably a nut rather than a competitor, but I hope they catch him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 16:37:10
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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Poisoning people - that's bad.
But poisoning a dog - that's a whole other level....
Edit - I say the above partly in jest but (in maybe a twisted way) at least I can understand when there's some conflict and things get "personal" to the level when one person feels he needs to poison another person. But a dog? What does a dog do to a person that makes it acceptable to poison it? That's straight up sociopath malice.
I have 7 dogs myself and I now run a farm, so I'm not into the whole "don't eat animals thing", but I do agree that punishment for intentional animal cruelty is always far far too light.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 17:32:45
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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Frazzled wrote:Poison my dog and you better fill your hands because I'm coming with 00 buckshot and will not be stopped.
This. I'm not big on violence, but feth with my dogs and all bets are off. That's an escalation to a situation where we're well past the point to talk things over.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 17:41:37
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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KiloFiX wrote:Poisoning people - that's bad.
But poisoning a dog - that's a whole other level....
I have 7 dogs myself and I now run a farm, so I'm not into the whole "don't eat animals thing", but I do agree that punishment for intentional animal cruelty is always far far too light.
It's because dogs, despite all evidence to the contrary, are not considered people in the eye of the law, they're property. When I rise to power, this will be among the (if not the) first things amended. Dogs are people, dammit! (And generally better persons than most people I know!)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 17:58:58
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Dogs rule. People drool.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 18:10:16
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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I read it most likely wasnt another competitor, just a nut job with a beef about Kruffts / animal cruelty etc.
With the way Kruffts is setup any joe public can get very close to the dogs, pet them etc so trying to keep an eye on everyone that approaches every dog is going to be impossible.
Either way its a piss poor thing to do. Why take it out on an innocent animal #sigh
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 18:16:14
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
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Thing is Crufts has no rep for animal cruelty, the show is well received and the dogs are in the vast majority of the cases well looked after happy canines.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 18:36:44
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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Ratius wrote:I read it most likely wasnt another competitor, just a nut job with a beef about Kruffts / animal cruelty etc.
With the way Kruffts is setup any joe public can get very close to the dogs, pet them etc so trying to keep an eye on everyone that approaches every dog is going to be impossible.
Either way its a piss poor thing to do. Why take it out on an innocent animal #sigh
Because the best way to show your opposition to animal cruelty is to poison a dog  About as genius an idea as protesting the right to life by murdering abortion doctors
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 18:41:24
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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Dreadclaw69 wrote: Ratius wrote:I read it most likely wasnt another competitor, just a nut job with a beef about Kruffts / animal cruelty etc.
With the way Kruffts is setup any joe public can get very close to the dogs, pet them etc so trying to keep an eye on everyone that approaches every dog is going to be impossible.
Either way its a piss poor thing to do. Why take it out on an innocent animal #sigh
Because the best way to show your opposition to animal cruelty is to poison a dog  About as genius an idea as protesting the right to life by murdering abortion doctors
Sadly it's not an entirely uncommon response. Animals have been released from farms and pet stores before, most of which can't exactly survive in the wild on their own devices.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 18:43:48
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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streamdragon wrote: Dreadclaw69 wrote: Ratius wrote:I read it most likely wasnt another competitor, just a nut job with a beef about Kruffts / animal cruelty etc.
With the way Kruffts is setup any joe public can get very close to the dogs, pet them etc so trying to keep an eye on everyone that approaches every dog is going to be impossible.
Either way its a piss poor thing to do. Why take it out on an innocent animal #sigh
Because the best way to show your opposition to animal cruelty is to poison a dog  About as genius an idea as protesting the right to life by murdering abortion doctors
Sadly it's not an entirely uncommon response. Animals have been released from farms and pet stores before, most of which can't exactly survive in the wild on their own devices.
Any evidence that the dog killed was being released into the wild to fend for itself? From what I read it had a loving home and a family who miss him very much.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 18:58:51
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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Orlanth wrote:Thing is Crufts has no rep for animal cruelty, the show is well received and the dogs are in the vast majority of the cases well looked after happy canines.
But dog breeding historically is a tradition and practice built on the foundation of puppy murder, inbreeding and forcing genetic defects as 'breeds'. Dog breeding is seen as animal cruelty for existing and perpetuation of many breeds forces dogs into lives of pain and suffering simply to keep the horribly genetically damaged 'breed' pure.
If it takes 5 litters of dead puppies and forcibly inbreeding a dog with his parents to get a single 'happy, well looked after canine' then is the system cruel?
So I can see where people will see any attack on the institution of dog shows and purebreeding as good for dogs overall even if a dog is harmed. This is the same attitude where no-kill shelters are seen as hellish dog prisons where dogs live cruel lives in isolation and fall into madness and feel euthenizing the dog is much more humane than a life in a no-kill shelter.
There are a lot of people who say purebreeds and dog shows are animal cruelty. We are just starting to see laws which ban the sale of dogs and cats for money because they promote cruel behavior on the back-end even if some people supposedly do it ethically. While I don't see poisoning show dogs as a good thing, I also don't see dog shows and pure breeding as a good thing either. I just support legislation which is slowly making the systematized cruel acts illegal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 20:37:18
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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So what you are saying is: ban dog shows because some breeder run an unethical eugenics program.
Its basically a load of tosh. The average breeder will sell pedigree puppies, not slaughter them while braying MUHAHAHA while trying to breed the show winning superdog.
The sort of hysteria you are talking about isnt in any way prevalent, Crufts is not protested by animal rights, there is no history of an opposition movement. The only people who do protest Crufts are the vegan extremists who do not believe in keeping pets and want keeping pets banned, and reports of involvement in protest are six years old. I cant see the vegans poisoning dogs frankly and certainly not with a cocktail of three drugs to ensure a kill.
The RSPCA has made comments about inbreeding, however extreme features in a breed that are hazardous to a dogs health are marked down rather than up in dog shows.
Also breeding a dog with its own parents will not produce a show quality dog. Furthermore dog breeds are fairly large genepools and breeding over large distances is encouraged.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 21:18:56
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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I read PETA were protesting at it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/09 21:58:11
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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Orlanth wrote:So what you are saying is: ban dog shows because some breeder run an unethical eugenics program.
Well, the entire notion of 'purebreeds' is based off of 200 years of unethical eugenics, and just because people may sell the 'extra' puppies now doesn't mean than tons of dogs were killed or have short, painful lives due to the concept of 'purebreeds'. It is no longer done to make dogs who can serve tasks to help civilization, it is to exaggerate and augment arbitrary attributes decided by a bunch of fethed up people from 200 years ago who played go with dogs as a recreational activity.
Its basically a load of tosh. The average breeder will sell pedigree puppies, not slaughter them while braying MUHAHAHA while trying to breed the show winning superdog.
Actually, they don't have to slaughter them, an increasingly high number of the litters have dogs which die due to health reasons which pop up. And just because some people do the nice work of finding the non-show pups homes, doesn't mean the whole process and concept isn't horribly outdated. So to get that ONE show dog, there are still large number of puppies dying at birth, puppies with painful defects which have lifetime of pain and then those dogs which get sold and die of horrible defects.
But yes, for the recent past, breeders were doing exactly what you describe, and many of the breeds exist today because of a history of murdering unwanted dogs for breeding superdog with the fethed up face or super short legs.
The sort of hysteria you are talking about isnt in any way prevalent, Crufts is not protested by animal rights, there is no history of an opposition movement. The only people who do protest Crufts are the vegan extremists who do not believe in keeping pets and want keeping pets banned, and reports of involvement in protest are six years old. I cant see the vegans poisoning dogs frankly and certainly not with a cocktail of three drugs to ensure a kill.
The RSPCA has made comments about inbreeding, however extreme features in a breed that are hazardous to a dogs health are marked down rather than up in dog shows.
Actually, there is more and more protests... and laws are changing to ban the selling of puppies which cuts the funding of people who sell damaged puppies for thousands of dollars to feed their show dog.
Also breeding a dog with its own parents will not produce a show quality dog. Furthermore dog breeds are fairly large genepools and breeding over large distances is encouraged.
You know what would be better? not breeding within the same breed because the genepools of most breeds are horribly damaged and shallow already. The cancer rates and intelligence rates show the damage of inbreeding is long since done and the best thing for these animals is to promote genetic diversity within the species, not just inside the breed. There is a reason the 'dog shows' we see on tv are changing from competitions to adoptiathons of rescue dogs because animal lovers are hating purebreed competitions and want to support rescues.
Dog Breeding and dog breeds are a bad thing for the animals and are built on a foundation of animal abuse. And there are lots of groups and people who agree.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/rspca-pulls-out-of-crufts-in-protest-at-deformed-dog-breeds-1-1090808
Stop the shows, stop the need for breeding, stop the market for puppy mills, stop the abuse. That is their path.
Protesting dog breeders, 'purebreeding' and dog shows is not a fringe group anymore. It is seen as animal cruelty by an increasing part of the population. The people who think killing those dogs to stop the shows are the fringe... but banning the sale of dogs, dog shows and purebreeding is something I will support via my local and national legislature. Government regulation of dog breeding and banning of sale of puppies is already making its way through many state and local governments.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/10 06:37:30
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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nkelsch wrote:Well, the entire notion of 'purebreeds' is based off of 200 years of unethical eugenics, and just because people may sell the 'extra' puppies now doesn't mean than tons of dogs were killed or have short, painful lives due to the concept of 'purebreeds'. It is no longer done to make dogs who can serve tasks to help civilization, it is to exaggerate and augment arbitrary attributes decided by a bunch of fethed up people from 200 years ago who played go with dogs as a recreational activity.
Actually, they don't have to slaughter them, an increasingly high number of the litters have dogs which die due to health reasons which pop up. And just because some people do the nice work of finding the non-show pups homes, doesn't mean the whole process and concept isn't horribly outdated. So to get that ONE show dog, there are still large number of puppies dying at birth, puppies with painful defects which have lifetime of pain and then those dogs which get sold and die of horrible defects.
Bollocks. My aunt was a dog breeder (welsh corgies at first, Australian Shepherds later) until health issues forced her to stop (hers, not the dogs), and not one of her litters had pups die due to health issues. All of the ones she didn't keep herself were adopted out to very carefully selected homes - she handpicked who would and would not get one of her dogs.
Furthermore, dog breeds origins have very little to do with people from 200 years ago who inbred dogs for recreation; once domesticated from wolves, dogs were used for a variety of purposes, and dogs with the better characteristics for the purpose to which they were being used were used to breed, whether hunting small animals, big animals, birds, herding sheep, guarding homes, or what-have-you.
And even for the dog breeds that did rise up in such a fashion, you can't really blame long-dead people from a bygone age for not having the same understanding of genetics nor for not attaching the same value to a dog's life as we do.
Inbreeding really only became an issue when certain until then fairly obscure breeds became popular household pets in the last century and breeders-for-profit rose up (for these people I would by and large agree with the assessment of animal abuser!), and then only for those specific breeds. Hobbyist breeders on the other hand, aren't out to make a quick buck and genuinely care for the animals, the breed and just dogs in general. Many are active in dog training clubs, or volunteer at asylums and generally make the world a better place (for dogs, that is).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/10 10:48:56
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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Dreadclaw69 wrote:Any evidence that the dog killed was being released into the wild to fend for itself? From what I read it had a loving home and a family who miss him very much.
Uhhh, steamdragon's point was that some animal rights activists think it's perfectly reasonable to kill animals in the process of fighting for their rights. Honestly, my first thought when I read the article was "Sounds like something PETA would do."
As for leniency for animal killers, it is disgusting. Back in 2000 there was a big hoopla in my parts over 3 high schoolers who tortured and killed over 40 cats by stuffing them with firecrackers and such. They kept a log which was found by police. After actually being acquitted by the first judge, they eventually got 2 months of community service. I think their school even got in trouble for expelling them and there were talks of damages paid for emotional distress from being publicly shamed.
One of the psychos even went on to study law, so he's out there defending other psychos now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/10 11:14:47
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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Bran Dawri wrote:nkelsch wrote:Well, the entire notion of 'purebreeds' is based off of 200 years of unethical eugenics, and just because people may sell the 'extra' puppies now doesn't mean than tons of dogs were killed or have short, painful lives due to the concept of 'purebreeds'. It is no longer done to make dogs who can serve tasks to help civilization, it is to exaggerate and augment arbitrary attributes decided by a bunch of fethed up people from 200 years ago who played go with dogs as a recreational activity.
Actually, they don't have to slaughter them, an increasingly high number of the litters have dogs which die due to health reasons which pop up. And just because some people do the nice work of finding the non-show pups homes, doesn't mean the whole process and concept isn't horribly outdated. So to get that ONE show dog, there are still large number of puppies dying at birth, puppies with painful defects which have lifetime of pain and then those dogs which get sold and die of horrible defects.
Bollocks. My aunt was a dog breeder (welsh corgies at first, Australian Shepherds later) until health issues forced her to stop (hers, not the dogs), and not one of her litters had pups die due to health issues. All of the ones she didn't keep herself were adopted out to very carefully selected homes - she handpicked who would and would not get one of her dogs.
Furthermore, dog breeds origins have very little to do with people from 200 years ago who inbred dogs for recreation; once domesticated from wolves, dogs were used for a variety of purposes, and dogs with the better characteristics for the purpose to which they were being used were used to breed, whether hunting small animals, big animals, birds, herding sheep, guarding homes, or what-have-you.
And even for the dog breeds that did rise up in such a fashion, you can't really blame long-dead people from a bygone age for not having the same understanding of genetics nor for not attaching the same value to a dog's life as we do.
Inbreeding really only became an issue when certain until then fairly obscure breeds became popular household pets in the last century and breeders-for-profit rose up (for these people I would by and large agree with the assessment of animal abuser!), and then only for those specific breeds. Hobbyist breeders on the other hand, aren't out to make a quick buck and genuinely care for the animals, the breed and just dogs in general. Many are active in dog training clubs, or volunteer at asylums and generally make the world a better place (for dogs, that is).
The issue is even within the past 100 years, even established breeds have gone grotesque transformations due to extreme breeding. It is not simply the modern obscure breeds. So the unethical breeding practices are not exclusive to the long long ago.
In fact, Crufts was dropped from the BBC when they investigated reports of animal abuse from unethical breeding techniques which intentionally caused genetic defects and illnesses which caused harm to the dogs in preference of visual aspects. They found it was rampant in the modern dog breeding community involved in Crufts and that the primary way people who participate in crafts make money is via selling breeding rights of winning dogs.
Crufts was dropped off the BBC due to unethical animal abuse... To get back on TV on another channel, they put some regulations to check for defects which are sparsely enforced and are mostly for show.
Dog breeds which rose up for filling roles in civilization barley exist anymore. If you compare pictures of breeds from 100 years ago to today, the dogs today barley look like their previous selves. There is a reason dog shows are falling out of fashion and selling dogs and cats are being banned. Because the simple act of selling breeds and glorifying them in competitions promote eugenics and animal abuse and it is still widely rampant in the modern world and the population which loves dogs is slowly turning against dog shows and breeders.
This is a great example of the abuse by breeders suffered in the past 100 years.
https://dogbehaviorscience.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/100-years-of-breed-improvement/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/10 13:00:02
Subject: Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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Oh dear lord, did you even read what I wrote?
I specifically mentioned breeds obscure at the time which became popular as household pets for whatever reason being a victim of inbreeding by for-profit breeders in the last century. Obviously, becoming popular brought them out of obscurity. Pitbulls and, earlier, German shepherds are prime examples.
I was actually agreeing with you there! I only really disagree with lumping all dog breeders together as bad and evil animal abusers because a few greedy sacks of gak ruin it for everyone else.
And you're also wrong about breeds which rose up for filling a role no longer existing. Australian shepherds, while a relatively new breed, are working dogs, bred to, y'know, herd cattle. Just like German shepherds were and bordercollies are. Setters are hunting dogs. Wiener dogs, although mostly pets by now, were originally bred to hunt rabbits and other (some rather nastier) burrowing creatures.
They might not be the same breeds as used in the Middle Ages anymore, but that's *not* the point.
I did not mention dog shows at all, as dog shows are just silly, and outside my fields of both expertise and interest.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/03/10 14:36:58
Subject: Re:Dog poisonings at Krufts.
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That is terrible! It's not cool to kill someone's dog.
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