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**purplkrush**

So, I MAY have the opportunity to grab some Grey Knights on the cheap. It would be a squad of GK and a squad off GK Termies, both NIB. If it goes through I was wondering what else I would need to make a functional small army. I know I'll need an HQ but without dropping too much cash what else would make it a fun, small force. I do not have the Codex which is why I'm asking here. Any advice? I was thinking a cheap Psyker HQ, another Squad and maybe a Dread to flesh it all out.

I'm hoping to pull together something cheap to screw with my regular group and keep them off balance a bit.

**XdeadpoolX**

Well the first question. What army/armies do you have now? can the GK fill a void in them as well as being a small point stand alone army?

Hq choices are really up to you but for bang for buck librarian for sure. that doesnt stop be breaking out my poor Crowe. I hate seeing him just sit in my case.

In any case Dread knights are your friend! and they add that "oh *%&*" factor when you put a couple on the table. If you want more fun and annoying you could use the strikes as interceptors to add to the shunt move of the DK and use the terminators with the librarian for a back line ds so when you shunt move and deep strike your army is all there and ready to party. I find GK having low model count has issues with true horde armies so flamers may be your friend and hammers for them pesky vehicles

**Freezerassasin**

Librarian is your single best HQ choice for almost any size GK army as they are pretty cheap points-wise and are good in general. Another box of PA and another of termies would give you a lot options between 500-750 points. Of course, you can always grab a Dreadknight as well, but whether you think you would be playing at a point level to make it really worthwhile is up to you. Not saying that there would be any issue with a Dreadknight, just that it tends to need some points put in to it to really open up its potential.

Good luck, and hopefully welcome to the family.

**purplkrush**

Okay, those sound like solid pieces of advice. Thanks guys!

My current opponents are Necrons and SM. I'm playing Eldar right now so showing up with these guys would just rock our current meta and help keep things fun.

Librarians always sounded fun to me so I'll definitely get one of those. With Necrons, does the Dread make more sense? Also, our newest member will be throwing down some Tyranids bu we don't know which way he'll be running with them.

**Freezerassasin**

In regards to Tyranids, the Dreadknight is a fantastic way to kill MCs if you give it a Force weapon. It also can bring a gatling psilencer or heavy incinerator to deal with swarms or hordes. The DK really is the multi-tool for GK and can be kitted out to do most things quite well.

The issue is going to be how many points you want the DK to eat. My personal preferred build for them actually almost doubles their base cost. It seems like you want to ally them with either Necrons or SM, so my best piece of advice is that be careful that the GK part doesn't eat too many points, since you will get relatively small model counts as compared to Necrons or even SM. As XdeadpoolX already asked, what role would you want the GK to fulfill for you? We have a unit for most problems, but that is probably a good question to answer as you get your models.

**purplkrush**

Okay, let me be a little more clear.

This would be completely stand alone. No allies.

My OPPONENTS are Necrons and SM with Tyranids to be making an appearance soon.

As for points levels? I want it to be a small list, maybe top out at 750 for now?

**Freezerassasin**

Sorry about that. Apparently I can't read tonight.

At 750 I would probably not run a DK just because it will end up getting close to a third of your list at that level. At that level, I would probably go Librarian, 10-man Terminator Squad and 2 5-man Interceptor squads. This would leave you with 50 points for upgrades, the option to Combat Squad the terminators if you need another unit and will let you be decently mobile with the Interceptors to grab objectives, alpha strike your opponents, or pick off valuable units that don't want to be in combat.

Sorry again for being blind before. Hope this helps

**jeffersonian000**

Ironically, you have a legal battle-forged army with just those models. If you run the PAGK as Strikers, and the character GKT as a Librarian, the remaining GKT can be Paladins, netting you a Nemesis Strike Force with 1 HQ, 1 Elite, and 1 Troop (460pts bare, with 290pts left for bling) The best unit to add next is a Nemesis DreadKnight, which leaves you with a small amount of ponts for trimmings.

SJ

**purplkrush**

LOL, so with just that initial purchase I can field almost 500 pts? That is frakking perfect! Oh man, now I've GOT to make this deal happen!

**DarkLink**

Of all the GK lists I've ran since the new codex came out, at 1850 you probably won't need more than maybe 15 Terminators, 3 Dreadknights, and a few characters. Maybe 20 Terminators, depending on the exact list, but you can get by with 15, and the 3rd Dreadknight similarly is somewhat optional.

Dreadknights give you mobility and a hard-hitting threat that can catch and kill Wraithknights and Imperial Knights, as well as an Incinerator to kill infantry and more psycannons to kill vehicles. You'll always want 2. You probably want 3, but if price is an issue you can get a list with just 2, and you might as well take advantage of the benefits of the Nemesis Strike Force.

Draigo is a good chunk of points, one of the best combat characters in the game, a great tank to protect one of your units, and he brings Gate of Infinity for a little extra mobility.

Librarians are great, but if you're looking to fill in points you can go with a Brother Captain with a Psycannon as well, or even a Grand Master.

Then, fill the rest of your points with Terminators. Max out Psycannons, and I generally just put a Hammer on every Psycannon. If you fill up and have a decent chunk of points with nothing else to spend it on, then you can consider upgrading one (and probably only one) unit of Terminators to a unit of Paladins (and only if you have Draigo).

Strike Squads, Interceptors, and Purgation Squads are pretty much useless unless you really, really need cheap troops, and Purifiers are only good if you ally in a Drop Pod. So your power armor guys will likely go to waste.

So a sample 1850 list that would perform reasonably well might look like this:

Grand Master, Psycannon, Cuirass of Sacrifice
5 Paladins, Apothecary, 2 Hammers, 2 Psycannons
3x 5 Terminators, 1 Hammer, 1 Psycannon
2x Dreadknights, Teleporter, Hammer, Psycannon, Incinerator
Draigo

**BrianDavion**

I'd definatly get a Librarian to be your HQ. they're a FANASTIC HQ choice. that said a brother captain or grandmaster are also very solid choices. a grandmaster is basicly going to be a SM chapter master esque beatstick, whom is also as good a psyker as the best non-named Libby SMs can buy.

I've no clue how you'll do vs necrons but you'll be able to (especially in low point games) make life intreasting for the space Marine player. and the 'nid player will have EXTREME trouble given that GKs are almost tailor built to kill MC heavy lists

**purplkrush**

Okay, I skimmed a Codex real quick and had a problem. My Eldar codex isn't up to date with the new layout so I was having problems finding the section that listed my troop types. When I say that I mean I couldn't differentiate between Elites, FA, Heavy and so forth. I saw where it listed as Infantry and such but I missed something. Any help?

**Tannhauser42**

The new books now use a datasheet format, rather than the old army list format. In the top corner of the page you'll see a symbol indicating which force org slot the unit takes up.

**purplkrush**

Wait, does this mean basic Termies are a Troops choice for Grey Knights?

**BrianDavion**

purplkrush wrote:
Wait, does this mean basic Termies are a Troops choice for Grey Knights?

yup

**jeffersonian000**

Have been since 5th, actually.

SJ