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All right my fellow 40k enthusiast's, I have need for some advice. I will be attending a tournament in about a month, so I have plenty of time to test drive my list! Here it is in all its glory:

Primary Detachmnet:
HQ:
1. Autarch w/ Soulshrive, Fusion Gun
2. Spiritseer w/ Spirit Stone of Anath'lan

Troops:
1. 5 Dire Avengers w/ Wave Serpent (TLSL, SC)
2. 5 Dire Avengers w/ Wave Serpent (TLSL, SC)
3. 5 Wraithguard w/ Wave Serpent (TLSL, SC)

Heavy Support:
1. Wraithknight w/ Two Heavy Wraithcannons

Allied Detachmnet
HQ:
1. Archon w/ Blaster, Agonizer, Shadowfield, Web Way Portal

Troops:
1. 5 Kabalite Warriors w/ Venom (Splinter Cannon)
2. 5 Kabalite Warriors w/ Venom (Splinter Cannon)

1500 points exactly.

I'm not trying to make any friends at this tournament, so nothing is off limits as far as adding in. I have another Wraithknight, and a bunch of other models to pick from. We will be playing the standard missions from the rule book hence why I wanted so many troop choices for grabbing objectives. The Archon, Autarch, and Wraithguard will use the WWP to take out big baddies. The Wraithguard Wave Serpent will run empty, and I will more then likely attach the Spiritseer with the Autarch/Archon.

So my idea is this, the spiritseer is there to allow the Wraithguard to be a troop choice and have secure objective, also I'm not sure what psychic discipline the spiritseer should take maybe Telepathy or Runes of Battle, but should I take the Primus power voice of twilight instead of psychic shriek if I take the telepathy discipline.

Once again questions and/or comments please and thank you.

Now, this is my personal opinion and you could think completely differently, but when I run eldar with dark eldar, I put all my anti-tank units and objective holders, also I would go with double Farseer, or even take Eldrad for much needed psychic support. Then take a minimal Court of The Archon (ussually with a Lhameans or two) groups of ten Kabalites with Splinter Cannon, No Syabrite, and in a Raider with Splinter Racks (all that twin-linked poison 4+ kills monstrous creatures and heavy infantry so easily it's funny) and a Razorwing Jetfighter for support and air power.

I find this to be effective, but your mileage (and models) may vary.

I thought about the 10 man Raider Squads, but other then the TL of the splinter shots I lose out on the 5++ which I use Instead of jinx. Plus I don't want to lose out on WWP which factors in to a good part of my strategy by dumping a T6 squad with the HQ's attached in their deployment zone and taking out any big guns they might be hiding or if I am lucky their Warlord.

As far as the flyer is concerned I do have a Razorwing and 2 Crimson Hunters but since we are doing objective secured missions I will more then likely just ignore any flyers they have unless it is one that can Hoover in which case I can use the Wave Serpents on and usually to good effect if I might add.

As far as the Farseer's are concerned, I'm not to worried about the Psychic Phase, I know any Eldar Player worth his salt should be, but it just doesn't feel like a worry with the missions we will be playing. I would be lying if I didn't say I was hoping for Invisibility with the Spiritseer.

I want to thank you for the suggestions, they really helped me solidify some of the tactics I hope to be able to use! Please keep them coming!

I like this list. You should say it is Iyanden though. Your anti air is basically go behind them/ use any wave serpents that jinked.

For the record 1500 points gets you

1 Autarch Fusion Gun
4x 10 Guardians with Bright Lance in Wave Serpents with SL
2x 5 Fire Dragons in Wave Serpents with SL.

how would you handle 6 wave serpents? 50 infantry?

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As far as the flyer is concerned I do have a Razorwing and 2 Crimson Hunters but since we are doing objective secured missions I will more then likely just ignore any flyers they have unless it is one that can Hoover in which case I can use the Wave Serpents on and usually to good effect if I might add.

As far as the Farseer's are concerned, I'm not to worried about the Psychic Phase, I know any Eldar Player worth his salt should be, but it just doesn't feel like a worry with the missions we will be playing. I would be lying if I didn't say I was hoping for Invisibility with the Spiritseer.

As ConanMan pointed out, your list is not very strong.

And he's using a weaker list to demonstrate it, Guardians with Bright Lance are absolutely sub optimal.

Your list is sub optimal because you have 3 HQ choices at 1500 points, no good use for the Webway portal, one useless DE troop (FA Venom is better), wraithguard and shuriken canons.

Wraithguard can be great. 5 units in wave serpents is very powerful (top eldar army at the biggest tourney in the UK this year). But tricky to really make them work at this points level. If it is a maelstrom tournament (I think that's what you meant by objective secure tournament? and not being worried about fliers?) then you want AT LEAST two units of jetbikes.

I quite like the list. It looks fun.

morgoth wrote:
And he's using a weaker list to demonstrate it, Guardians with Bright Lance are absolutely sub optimal..

Hmm I was being serious.. It's not sub optimal to do such a thing. it is flexible. either pump and dump 80 shots that rend and re embark or ping from range in cover something that didn't die when it was supposed to. Such guardians live or die by their alpha strike. If anything lives then they will die. Tournament key word is "flexible". Highly likely to contribute vs infantry or anti armour (if desperate) also poor players often target guardians if they have anti armour and they have attritional staying power(wounds) and squad width (4 squads)


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Kholzerino wrote:Wraithguard can be great.

I agreed I won a 1500 point tourney (7-0) and only lost 5 WG in seven games.. i.e. in any game throughout the whole tourney...

A list for WG?

Spritiseer 70
5x WG 160 + 120 Wave Serp SL

Leaves 30 points for something

ConanMan wrote:

morgoth wrote:
And he's using a weaker list to demonstrate it, Guardians with Bright Lance are absolutely sub optimal..

Hmm I was being serious.. It's not sub optimal to do such a thing. it is flexible. either pump and dump 80 shots that rend and re embark or ping from range in cover something that didn't die when it was supposed to. Such guardians live or die by their alpha strike. If anything lives then they will die. Tournament key word is "flexible". Highly likely to contribute vs infantry or anti armour (if desperate) also poor players often target guardians if they have anti armour and they have attritional staying power(wounds) and squad width (4 squads)

Oh it's far from garbage don't get me wrong, it's even a good competitive list, just that I find it less optimized than other alternatives.

Again I wanted to thank you for the constructive criticism, I took a step back and looked at the points I had wrapped up in HQ choices and it does seem ridiculous for the points total. So I went back to the drawing board and came up with what I hope is a better list! Here it is and please let me know what I should change or what I can keep.

Primary Detachmnet:
HQ:
1. Autarch w/ Avenger Shuriken Catapult

Troops:
1. 5 Dire Avengers w/ Wave Serpent (SL, Shuriken Cannon)
2. 5 Dire Avengers w/ Wave Serpent (SL, Shuriken Cannon)
3. 5 Dire Avengers w/ Wave Serpent (SL)

Heavy Support:
1. Wraithknight w/ Two Heavy Wraithcannons
2. Wraithknight w/ Suncannon and Scattershield, Scatter Laser

Allied Detachmnet
HQ:
1. Lhanaeam

Troops:
1. 10 Kabalite Warriors w/ Raider (Splinter Racks)
2. 10 Kabalite Warriors w/ Raider (Splinter Racks)

The general idea here is to start with the CWE and the Lhanaeam on the table, then Deep Strike the raiders when and where I need them. Been thinking about maybe Deep Striking a Wraithknight but not sure if its worth missing that first turn of shooting since they have such great mobility.

The sad truth is, that DE allies don't really bring anything to an Eldar list that Eldar can't do better (with a couple of exceptions).

You would be better off spending the points you put into DE into more Waveserpents, Fire Dragons, or Warp Spiders.....

If you are set on DE allies, there are some fun choices, which you already seem to be hitting on, but they aren't quite optimized.

Venom squads need a blaster (5 warriors, 1 blaster, Venom with extra cannon)

10 warriors Raider squads need Splinters Racks & Night Shields (do not bother with the Dark lance, it is worthless.)

While running Wave Serpents cheap is ok, you really miss out on their annoyance factor without Holofields. I am also a fan of the shuricannon upgrade to really take advantage of the "super twinlinked gunboat"
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I would try to fit in the following:

Autach with fushion gun & other upgrades to your liking

5 Dires in Wave Serpent w/ Scats, Holofields & shuricannon
5 Dires in Wave Serpent w/ Scats, Holofields & shuricannon

WraithKnight w/ Two Heavy Wraithcannons
WraithKnight w/ Two Heavy Wraithcannons

Dark Eldar:
Lhamaean (or small unit of Sslyth for the Autarch to join in their own Venom)

5 Warriors w/ Blaster in Venom w/ extra cannon
5 Warriors w/ Blaster in Venom w/ extra cannon
--------------------------------------------------------------------this still gives you ~250pts to play with. You could give the Lhamean her own Venom, or take another Avenger Serpent unit.
Whatever you add, the above core list is hard for most to handle. You have both WK tearing up tanks, the Venoms hacking through Infantry or MCs and the Serpents are your multi-purpose/anti flyer

I forgot to add the Splinter Racks to the Raiders, but I had already paid the point cost. I then took off the Dark Lances and added back on the Shuriken Cannons to 2 of Wave Serpents.

@Galef, the Shuriken Cannon is not optimal, the Holofield is optimal only when you have a low count of Wave Serpents (say 6-).

I didnt mean to imply that shuricannons were optimal, but I only ever run 2-3 Serpents, so the extra shots that take advantage of the Scatterlaser TL-ing is a "never leave home without" option in my experience (read "my" experience).