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Two police officers have been shot in Ferguson, a Missouri town hit by riots over the killing of an unarmed black teenager last year.
One officer was shot in the face and one in the shoulder, St Louis County police chief Jon Belmar said.
Both suffered "very serious gunshot injuries" but were conscious, he said.
They were shot during a demonstration after the resignation of Ferguson's police chief, which followed a report alleging racial bias in his department.
Protesters had gathered outside Ferguson police headquarters late on Wednesday, in what was initially a relatively low-key demonstration.
But shortly after midnight at least three shots were fired as the crowd of protesters was starting to break up, Mr Belmar said.
He said he was assuming that "these shots were directed exactly at my police officers", rather than the officers being hit by stray bullets
One protester, Keith Rose, said he saw an officer "covered in blood", and that other officers were carrying and dragging him, leaving a trail of blood on the ground.
Police were keeping protesters in the area in order to take witness statements, he said.
Demonstrators were calling for further action to be taken over the federal report, and for more resignations in the police department, Mr Rose said.
Police chief Thomas Jackson was the sixth Ferguson official to be fired or step down. He had initially resisted calls from protesters and some state leaders to resign.
Mr Jackson was widely criticised after the shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown in August and the weeks of demonstrations that followed.
Police in riot gear respond to demonstrators outside the Ferguson Police Department on 11 March The shooting occurred outside Ferguson police headquarters
In November, a St Louis County grand jury and the US Justice Department found that white police officer Darren Wilson did not break any laws when he shot Brown.
However, Brown's shooting and the riots that followed spurred a federal investigation. It found overwhelming racial bias in the town's policing practices, though Darren Wilson was cleared of civil rights violations.
The report noted public officials regularly made tickets and other minor violations "go away" for white friends, while some black residents spent nights in jail for non-payment of fines.
It also found that black residents were disproportionately subjected to baseless traffic stops and citations for minor infractions such as walking down the middle of the street.
Ferguson's police force had three black officers, despite the fact that the town of 21,000 people was predominately black.
US Attorney General Eric Holder has said the federal government will "use all power that we have to change the situation".
That could include dissolving the police force and turning over law enforcement responsibilities to neighbouring agencies.
A local Democratic party leader, Patricia Bynes, said "a lot of anger" had built up in Ferguson because more action had not been taken sooner.
"The longer they continue to draw things out, the angrier people get," she said. "And when they finally start doing the right thing, it just is not enough."
The names of the two officers wounded on Thursday were not given, but Mr Belmar said one was a 32-year-old from another St Louis suburb, Webster Groves, and the other a 41-year-old from St Louis County.
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Yea, if you're on the police force, time to get a new job, immediately.
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Only gonna end badly, cops, protestors both angry, there not going to take two of there own being shot lightly.
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I can see some delays in police response to incidents happening in Ferguson now for awhile.
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How many Ferguson cops are left? Chief and the one guy resigned, two are shot.
Aren't there only 10,000 people in Ferguson?
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My thoughts and prayers are with the officers families. Sadly given some of the rhetoric directed at the police in Ferguson this seems almost inevitable.
Frazzled wrote: How many Ferguson cops are left? Chief and the one guy resigned, two are shot.
Aren't there only 10,000 people in Ferguson?
There's about 21,000 people in Ferguson.
Reuters has reported that the two cops that were shot were not part of Ferguson PD but were officers from other departments that had been sent to augment the police presence in Ferguson because of the large protest that was occurring there.
A lot of the reporting is very poorly written with obvious bias and a lack of context.
The fact that the Ferguson PD is mostly white while the population of Ferguson is mostly black are two unrelated facts. The pool of applicants for jobs with Ferguson PD is not limited to the residents of the municipality. Why not include important contextual information? How many police academy graduates are black? How many officers are employed by Ferguson and what is the turnover ratio? How many applicants for available spots in Ferguson PD are black? How many black Ferguson residents are qualified to be police officers?
Likewise, if the article wants to castigate Ferguson PD for mostly white when the municipality is mostly black it's not ratoinal to then imply racism as the reason behind the majority of people given traffic citations by Ferguson PD are black. If most of the populace is black it is perfectly reasonable to expect that a majority of the traffic citations written in that municipality are given to blacks.
Not excluding anyone, you wall in the police and all the other city services right along with the rest of Ferguson. Let the city tear itself apart and only open up the gates once the smoke clears and all the animals have killed each other. (both citizens and local government)
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Automatically Appended Next Post: I don't want to go to far here but...isn't it reasonable to believe that a predominately black community is going to have more black traffic stops compared to white considering it is the predominant race?
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Those emails didn't really seem too "faux" to me. I mean, when you (to pick a single example) have a police supervisor sending racist jokes around the department, it's not exactly a far reach to think he might also police unprofessionally along those lines, and willing to overlook similar behavior in his subordinates.
Some numbers from that report:
From 2012 to 2014, 85% of people subject to vehicle stops by Ferguson police were African-American, 90% of those who received citations were black, and 93% of people arrested were black.
In 88% of the cases in which Ferguson police officers reported using force, it was against African-Americans. From 2012-2014 black drivers were twice as likely as white drivers to be searched during traffic stops, but 26% less likely to be found in possession of contraband.
I don't think there's any polishing that turd.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: I don't want to go to far here but...isn't it reasonable to believe that a predominately black community is going to have more black traffic stops compared to white considering it is the predominant race?
Best to just ignore things like that and label all the cops as racists.
Reuters has reported that the two cops that were shot were not part of Ferguson PD but were officers from other departments that had been sent to augment the police presence in Ferguson because of the large protest that was occurring there.
If true that sucks. Go in to help clean up the mess, end up a victim of it.
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stanman wrote: Not excluding anyone, you wall in the police and all the other city services right along with the rest of Ferguson. Let the city tear itself apart and only open up the gates once the smoke clears and all the animals have killed each other. (both citizens and local government)
At what point do we send in Batman to save the day?
Automatically Appended Next Post: I don't want to go to far here but...isn't it reasonable to believe that a predominately black community is going to have more black traffic stops compared to white considering it is the predominant race?
Best to just ignore things like that and label all the cops as racists.
Our you could look at the facts... That are very easy to find.
From 2012 to 2014, 85% of people subject to vehicle stops by Ferguson police were African-American, 90% of those who received citations were black, and 93% of people arrested were black.
67% of the city's 21,000 residents are black, and 29% are white.
85% of people subject to vehicle stops are black. 12.7% are white.
The figures clearly show that this is not simply a matter of being a majority.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: I don't want to go to far here but...isn't it reasonable to believe that a predominately black community is going to have more black traffic stops compared to white considering it is the predominant race?
Best to just ignore things like that and label all the cops as racists.
Our you could look at the facts... That are very easy to find.
From 2012 to 2014, 85% of people subject to vehicle stops by Ferguson police were African-American, 90% of those who received citations were black, and 93% of people arrested were black.
67% of the city's 21,000 residents are black, and 29% are white.
85% of people subject to vehicle stops are black. 12.7% are white.
The figures clearly show that this is not simply a matter of being a majority.
Yes, they show that black people if Ferguson apparently commit more infractions than people from other races.
From 2012 to 2014, 85% of people subject to vehicle stops by Ferguson police were African-American, 90% of those who received citations were black, and 93% of people arrested were black.
67% of the city's 21,000 residents are black, and 29% are white.
85% of people subject to vehicle stops are black. 12.7% are white.
The figures clearly show that this is not simply a matter of being a majority.
Yes, they show that black people if Ferguson apparently commit more infractions than people from other races.
No, it shows that 67% of the city is black, and 85% of the people being stopped are black.
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Yes, they show that black people if Ferguson apparently commit more infractions than people from other races.
No it doesn't. Just because someone is stopped by the police does not mean they have done something wrong. In fact the evidence shows that the police are disproportionately targeting black drivers. If you read back you will see they are also twice as likely to be searched but 26% less likely to be found in possession of anything illegal.
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