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@Squall: Mantic hasnt produced anything on a larger base, striders excepted. The 1A is on a 40mm base. Seems likely the broodmother will also have one.

 squall018 wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:
If that's a 40mm base she's been depicted on then she won't be stage 1 sized, more like a bulky stage 2

Where did you get the idea that she is on a 40mm base? Not being sarcastic, legitimately asking. I don't see mention of that anywhere.

 Tyr13 wrote:
@Squall: Mantic hasnt produced anything on a larger base, striders excepted. The 1A is on a 40mm base. Seems likely the broodmother will also have one.

This; to date Deadzone has only been on 25mm, 40mm and 60mm round bases (excepting the baseless Goblin Guntrack), and only the Striders, Stuntbot and Iron Ancestor have been on the 60mm ones. Can't see the broodmother being walker sized.

Ok, backed at the Quarantine level. Finally taking the plunge!

Hopefully things pick up soon. Boring as feth campaign so far.

Huge stretch goal gaps from the get go as well as "fake" looking goals certainly aren't helping.

Mantic do however seem to know how to play the Kickstarter campaign game, so I'm sure all will be set right by the end.

Same thing was said about Dungeon Saga- fake goals, big gaps, not enough initial value... yet that ended up breaking a million.

I do feel that impatient desire to know what's coming up as well though.

I keep checking the KS page expecting it to break the terrain stretch goal but it's still there :(

I think It would be cool if mantics sci fi ratmen are scales the same as GWs ratmen. The options for head swaps an alternate bitz it exciting to me.

It's getting there. IT's gone up a few thousand since I checked before I left for work.

 Alex C wrote:
Hopefully things pick up soon. Boring as feth campaign so far.

Yeah this is just wierd. Mantic is 100% running off of name recognition. If you don't know who they are, you aren't likely to pledge right now as it all seems really underwhelming and nothing to look forward to. There are add-ons that COULD be there including,

Veer-myn card deck (which caused all sorts of senseless panic)
The Piper
Extra Hardback book
Set of 10 white d8s

If that is what shows up add-on Wednesday, that is sad. When things start to crawl, you need to show people they have a little something to look forward to. From the looks of it, this campaign is just gonna remain sluggish. It seems Mantic learns from their odd mistakes and ensures they make all new ones. No real insight on the rules right now either. Just worry that this game might become less flexible with "squad structure rules".

I'm just not sure why they haven't drop some of the act and have instead added more of one. It's very frustrating and is causing some of the vets to not pledge.

I'm kinda surprised it's going so slow too. But I think a lot of it might have to do with the fact that there were like 387 kickstarters this month and folks are tapped out. Same thing will probably happen in August when companies want to get campaigns running so they can demo them at GenCon.

It's always worth keeping in mind that Mantic might have engineered this kickstarter to go slow intentionally. - Including the beginning and end dates and them coinciding with other kickstarters.

They said this was meant to be a small one. I'm sure it's going to be fine.

Yeah, honestly, they may be hobbling themselves. And... I think it could be for the right reasons. If they make this a single wave EZPZ to fulfill project, they'll have still expanded deadzone, further paved the way for warpath, but they won't have generated more bad will by having a difficult to fulfill monster on their hands. If this stays small enough, it makes it reasonable for them to cover KoW ruleset 3.0, dungeon saga, finishing their DBX, and getting this out.

Then Warpath comes around and they aren't exhausted and too busy to pay it proper heed.

Or I mean it cold be incompetence too.... but they've been at this game for awhile so I don't find that terribly likely.

Rubber mat and terrain for add ons would be a good move.

Necessary move lol. If I get one mat in the main pledge (kind of assuming we will... but maybe not), I'm gonna want at least one more.

The terrain pledge is coming, no real point to wait for wednesday IMO.

 GrimDork wrote:


Or I mean it cold be incompetence too.... but they've been at this game for awhile so I don't find that terribly likely.

Not sure if serious!

Sorry - couldn't resist!

I think the the stretch goals are a bit too obviously fake right now, and that the 'value' isn't there yet.

I'm sure this Wednesday, with the Terrain Only pledge (or is that tomorrow?) among other things, will see a jump up here...

Meh. The whole thing just meh.
I don't like any of the sculpts, I'm leary of the rules.. even with an update.. and I'm just not feeling it in general.
I reeeeeeeeally hope this is not a sign of the direction the Warpath KS will go. I actually wanted to be surprised by Infestation and my older son loves skaven, so I thought huh.. could be cool. There is literally nothing about this that's won me over though.

I'm thinking the rubber mat will be add-on only, just like it was for the main pledge in Mars Attacks, because the main pledge level here is lower than original Deadzone's.

How badly Mantic want this to explode and fund more Warpath hard plastic troops vs. how much they want to keep it small and simple should, as has been said, become clear on Wednesday. Among other things, if they open up old Deadzone stock (factions, battlezones, hard plastic Peacekeepers) at KS prices, that'll be a good sign that they're hoping for this to exceed funding the Veer-myn faction, pathfinders, industrial terrain, and rulebook.

If Add-on Wednesday is underwhelming (dice etc.), it's a good indication that they're comfortable with the current slow trickle upwards. Even less profitable Mantic KSes can still pay off very well for their backers, of course. The Mars Attacks and Dreadball Xtreme campaigns were on the lower end in terms of final dollar amount, but have both been pretty fantastic in terms of both the quality and quantity.

Good call about Wednesday. Though they may wait for the second Wednesday to pull out all the stops (or to not do that, at all), we should get a good indication on the first one.

I would love for them to unlock all the addons but I think that just may not fit the smaller ks idea.

Pretty sure that, before pledge manager add ons, this one is going to fall well short of all the stretch goals like DBX did.

Too many, too fast. Not even sure how I'm going to be able to financially handle a Warpath project, and that's with only a book from KoW. Mantic sure seem like they're way overdoing it with slipping standards in CS, over stretched development resources, and a massive over reliance on a contractor who can't be cut if they want to meet deadline, no matter how badly he's dropping the ball.

I've been saving so not worried financially, it is the fact I haven't everything built from the first KS that worries me.

Since Ive barely touched any of my DBX minis and yet more are to arrive, this is a pass for me.
Also Ive got march madness lethargy.

 pretre wrote:
They said this was meant to be a small one. I'm sure it's going to be fine.

They also said they'd like to do a sprue for every faction.... which isn't happening with successive 25k stretch goals just for putting extra bitz on the first set of sprues.

I'm getting all of my myth rules and cards replaced for 6 bucks, I wish mantic would do something similar. I know that I personally don't need a fancy hardback.

There is a lot mor to "replace" though. The entire campaign system needs an overhaul and all the associated layers that didn't make it work.

I just don't understand why Mantic is letting this go to a crawl. If I didn't know those first few goals funded MORE then just the first goals and Mantic is going to surprise later, I'd be out. Why they haven't thrown up a pair of add-ons to push past this goal and get the ball rolling is beyond me.

Think the raised pricing might be a factor slowing things down, or at least preventing people from going nuts with it.

Kings of War Kickstarter: $15 for 20 HIPS minis.

Deadzone Infestation Kickstarter: $10 for 5 HIPS minis.

Bit of a difference in pricing there there (62.5% to be precise). The new KoW sprues have multiple build options just like the new Deadzone ones too.

I just can't see $10 for 5 being the price of the basic veermyn infantry when Warpath launches, even at retail pricing, never mind KS pricing. The restic ones are roughly the same price and you can buy them now (or cheaper from discount internet retail that wants rid of them).

Well people are starting the roller coaster already, something that could have been avoided if Mantic did an Update last night.

I just don't understand what they are waiting for? Why are they sandbagging getting a couple add-ons and getting the initial pledge package to a solid point?

Complacency? Maybe they think they're entitled to another million bucks for not much work.

But I think people tend to notice when the first 50k allegedly fund 4 sprues, and then the next 100k of stretch goals only fund one extra sprue and some bits "added" to the previous sprues.

I'm actually okay with wider stretches (even if they may not help the campaign pacing much). This is a predominantly hard-plastic Kickstarter, and hard-plastic costs a lot to fund.

That said, it doesn't cost very much to produce once tooled, and I feel Mantic currently isn't being generous whatsoever. A single (undefined) accessories sprue added? A single (undefined) pipes sprue added? Why not two? Why not four? Kickstarters really take off once the value being presented is beyond question, and by 1) focusing on hard plastic, and 2) charging shipping afterwards, Mantic has the potential to offer a huge amount of product without driving up the costs of delivery by much at all.

Now, granted, I may not be even slightly close to painting and assembling the 80 Zombies I got for $45 from Deadzone 1, but I feel that I got my value there!

I was away from the internet all weekend. I expected to find I had missed 5 or so updates. I was surprised to only see a couple, and they were not too exciting.