[1500] - Tau - No ground vehicles

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**CREEEEEEEEED**

This is for a small tourney at my local GW, 1500 points with no FW models or Lords of War. Any help and constructive criticism welcomed.

HQ

Crisis suit commander
Fusion blaster
Shield gen
Iridium
Stim injector
VRT
Drone controller
Neuroweb
Multi-spectrum sensor suite
Command and control node
Drones x2

Total 240

Troops

Fire warriors x12
Shas'ui
Fire warriors x12
Shas'ui
Fire warriors x12
Shas'ui

Kroot
Sniper rounds

Total 424

Elites

Crisis suits x3
Plasma x2
Missile x2
Fusion x2
Advanced targeting system x2
Target lock (for the fusion guy)
Shas'vre
Drones x6

Crisis suits x2
Plasma x2
Missile x2

Stealth team
Shas'vre
Homing beacon
Fusion
Counterfire defence system x3
Markerlight+TL

Total 482

Fast attack

Pathfinders x10
Shasui
Blacksun filter
Grav inhibitor drone
Rail rifle x3
Emp grenades

Razorshark
Missile pod
Blacksun filter
Decoy launchers

Total 356

Army Total 1502

The idea is the fire warriors hold my side of the table, while everything else bumrushes forward, the crisis suit team (inclusding the 8 drones and buffmander) and the smaller one deep strike in on the stealth team( or the stealth team dies and they may scatter), the kroot outflank, and the razorshark provides 6 St7 Ap4 shots per turn to kill any vehicles, or a St 8 Ap4 large blast for infantry and 2 St7 Ap4 shots, and its seekers can be called down by the pathfinders, who will probably try and occupy the middle of the table.

**NauticalKendall**

I think you have way too many points in your commander

**CREEEEEEEEED**

So do I, but I don't know what else to do with the points.

**9unit9**

Not sure about the points. But would a bodyguard for the commander not be viable?

**SpankingApe**

Not to be harsh, but one of the worst lists I've seen on here, it seems like you have given every unit every upgrade possible. You have so many points sunk into needless upgrades it's unreal, and your crisis suits are all over the place. You need to scrap this and start again if you want to get past the first round of the tourney Man. What models do you own? I'll build you a list you can work around and I'll give you a in depth analysis of what each unit should be doing and what weapon/upgrades they should have. Let me know what models you have and I'll work around that.

**Verviedi**

SpankingApe wrote:
Not to be harsh, but one of the worst lists I've seen on here, it seems like you have given every unit every upgrade possible. You have so many points sunk into needless upgrades it's unreal, and your crisis suits are all over the place. You need to scrap this and start again if you want to get past the first round of the tourney Man. What models do you own? I'll build you a list you can work around and I'll give you a in depth analysis of what each unit should be doing and what weapon/upgrades they should have. Let me know what models you have and I'll work around that.

This.
Also, take a Riptide.

**dragoonmaster101**

SpankingApe wrote:
Not to be harsh, but one of the worst lists I've seen on here, it seems like you have given every unit every upgrade possible. You have so many points sunk into needless upgrades it's unreal, and your crisis suits are all over the place. You need to scrap this and start again if you want to get past the first round of the tourney Man. What models do you own? I'll build you a list you can work around and I'll give you a in depth analysis of what each unit should be doing and what weapon/upgrades they should have. Let me know what models you have and I'll work around that.

Are you saying Creed lacks tactical genius? BLAM!

**The Shrike**

Boyz > Toyz.

**CREEEEEEEEED**

This list would look very different, but no Forge World models means I can't use my y'vahra riptide variant.

My lists usually involve most of the stuff here with less upgrades, and the y'vahra riptide.

In terms of models, I have what you see here, a hammerhead with the burst cannons, a piranha with fusion blaster, and a few more fire warriors. Also I don't own a normal riptide. ("Wow, no riptide and you play tau?" Yes, shame on me for not being major cheese.)

**SpankingApe**

Well tbh, your pool of models isn't great so you don't have a lot to work with. No riptides, no broadsides, no tetras. The units in your list which for me would be a auto drop are the razor shark, pathfinders (as you have them specced for 2 different target priorities) stealth suits, commander (as he hasn't really got anything to buff, you be better off with a mark'o) crisis suits (again you have them specced for 3 different target priorities so they won't accomplish anything). Please tell me your crisis suits are magnetised? Otherwise that's quite a bit of money wasted. They are outfitted with weapon load outs from 3rd-5th edition, we are playing 7th now, fire knifes don't really work anymore.

Tbh with your model pool I don't think I can recommend a decent tourney list so your probably better keeping it as it is, just sort out the upgrades and weapon load outs

**CREEEEEEEEED**

TBH, since no one is very competitive around my area, and we always play with fun in mind, I don't come up against too many very good lists, and this list does win about 60% of the time.

Since fireknife doesn't work (according only to you so far in my experience) what do you recommend?

**The Shrike**

Honestly, if that's how your group is, don't listen to us. You don't want to be the guy min-maxing for optimal point efficiency and damage output and then park your board next to guy who designed his list purely on rule #1.

**SpankingApe**

There's no need any more for mixing weapons when you can take 2 of the same now with our recent codex. Double missile or double plasma is better than fire knife. Decide what you want each crisis squad to be doing and kit them accordingly. Don't give the same squad 3 different types of weapons, all with different targets and different weapon ranges. It really loses efficiency when you mix and match. And yeah, if your winning 60% of your games then you don't have a competitive meta so just stick with it and see how you go

**CREEEEEEEEED**

K the, I was thinking of trying to rework the models since I don't know how to magnetise, but I'm not sure if I can pull it off. (I turned all my GLs on my vets into plas and meltas successfully, so I'm not too terrible, but crisis suits are a bit bigger)

**Iapedus**

Discarding all the usual Tau auto-advice (Riptides, Broadsides, Tetras -

) your original list is not a complete right off. That said though, a lot of the criticism above is valid, and what you have model-wise can be made to be more efficient and have better synergy without necessarily devolving into cheese.

The buffmander is a bit lost, and is a massive point sink. A Mark'O would probably be a better fit, and offer more all round contribution. It will also free up your crisis squads to DS in behind the enemy and target accordingly, without the risk of giving up STW. More boys, less toys - you can easily shave enough points to get the hammerhead in there, probably with longstrike too. Also just general reorganization of your units - splitting up your pathfinders, so they don't get focused down and can target more units. Also spilt a unit of FWs and give them EMP grenades for a surprise AT threat. Sunshark is not optimal, but is certainly fun and can contribute as long as you look after it. A modified version of your list going on what models you have:

Commander, Dual MP, Drone Controller, Target Lock, 2 x marker drones 154pts
- Bodyguard, Dual MP, Target Lock, 2 x marker drones 91pts
Cadre Fireblade 60pts

FW x12 104pts (fireblade goes here)
FW x12 104pts
FW x6, EMP Grenades 66pts
FW x6, EMP Grenades 66pts
Kroot x10, Sniper 70pts

Crisis x2, Dual Plasma, VRT 114pts
Crisis x2, Dual FB, VRT 114pts
Stealth x3, Counterfire Defence System x3 105pts

Pathfinders x5 55pts
Pathfinders x5 55pts
Sunshark, TL MP, 165pts

Hammerhead, Sub-munitions, Longstrike, Dpods 190pts

Aegis Defense Line 50pts

Total 1501pts

Certainly not optimal, but better balanced I think. Switch whatever crisis you have with the ones I have listed - just make sure that your FBs go in one together so they can drop in behind armour, while you plasma go in another to drop in on TEQ./MEQ/HQs. I have also put an aegis in as all those fire warriors could so with some cover. If you don't own one, make one - plenty of paper templates online that you can use as the starting point

Have fun, let us know how it goes!

**CREEEEEEEEED**

Thanks Iapedus, that list looks a lot more balanced. Unfortunately I haven't magnetised the XV8s, but its something I'm going to do eventually.
I'll probably use something close to that list in the tourney. Why the sunshark instead of the razorshark? Is it better?

**The Shrike**

What about Forge World? Does your group allow it? There's some fun stuff in there that isn't at all broken.

**Iapedus**

CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
Why the sunshark instead of the razorshark? Is it better?

sorry, I meant razor shark - tbh they are both fairly mediocre, but sunshark has a networked marker light helping it get over the BS3. Both are fragile and expensive points wise, but that just means you have to look after them and not charge them straigh into the heart of the enemy like they are storm Ravens

**CREEEEEEEEED**

The Shrike wrote:
What about Forge World? Does your group allow it? There's some fun stuff in there that isn't at all broken.

Yes they do, but in this competition none allowed. I'm fairly sure I mentioned not being able to use my forge world riptide. Makes me

. Usually I bring it and it kills around two vehicles and 40 models before being killed by concentrated firepower.