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So, I was discussing a strategy the other day, and mentioned putting a unit with Infiltrate into a vehicle in Reserve. (Not a DT.) Mi amigo says this is impossible, since the new FAQ says Infiltrators may not join non Infiltrators during deployment. I said that I didn't think embarking on a vehicle counted as joining, but could not quite chapter and verse to support my argument.

Who is correct in this case? Could someone be kind enough to point me in the correct direction?

Embarking on a vehicle is not joining. They act as separate units, so reserving them with the vehicle is fine.

They will not be able to infiltrate, however, since Infiltrate does not confer onto non-dedicated transports.

Also, the FAQ only mentions independent characters without infiltrate joining non-infiltrators. Even if your friend disagrees with you about embarking vehicles and "joining", vehicles do not have the independent character special rule.

It also says "and vice versa," implying that infiltrating units being joined by a non infiltrating IC, or an infiltrating IC joining a non infiltrating unit (which he believes is happening in my example) are both illegal.

Sweet.

You may choose to not infiltrate the unit at all. Or you may choose to outflank which will allow to outflank them together with even a non-dedicated transport or indep without outflank usr.

 Jimsolo wrote:
It also says "and vice versa," implying that infiltrating units being joined by a non infiltrating IC, or an infiltrating IC joining a non infiltrating unit (which he believes is happening in my example) are both illegal.

Sweet.

Ah, you failed to mention that your "unit with infiltrate" was an independent character in your original post. Regardless, They may embark on a transport in reserves, but they can't infiltrate, since embarking is not joining. If embarking was joining, independent characters would never be able to embark upon transports, since they are disallowed from joining vehicle units.

 koooaei wrote:
Or you may choose to outflank which will allow to outflank them together with even a non-dedicated transport or indep without outflank usr.

The Outflank special rule only gives permission to outflank with a dedicated transport, not a non-dedicated transport.

 koooaei wrote:
You may choose to not infiltrate the unit at all. Or you may choose to outflank which will allow to outflank them together with even a non-dedicated transport or indep without outflank usr.

You can't do that.

Units that contain at least one model with this special rule are deployed last, after all other units (friend and foe) have been deployed

A unit with Infiltrators special rule MUST either deploy after all other units or opt to go to Reserves via Outflanking. You cannot deploy Infiltrator units on your normal deployment 'phase' - you'll always put them after the enemy normal deploy. So you'll be Infiltrating.

Bojazz wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
It also says "and vice versa," implying that infiltrating units being joined by a non infiltrating IC, or an infiltrating IC joining a non infiltrating unit (which he believes is happening in my example) are both illegal.

Sweet.

Ah, you failed to mention that your "unit with infiltrate" was an independent character in your original post. Regardless, They may embark on a transport in reserves, but they can't infiltrate, since embarking is not joining. If embarking was joining, independent characters would never be able to embark upon transports, since they are disallowed from joining vehicle units.

Also, when you embark upon a vehicle, all members of the unit must embark.

Vector Strike wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
You may choose to not infiltrate the unit at all. Or you may choose to outflank which will allow to outflank them together with even a non-dedicated transport or indep without outflank usr.

You can't do that.

Units that contain at least one model with this special rule are deployed last, after all other units (friend and foe) have been deployed

A unit with Infiltrators special rule MUST either deploy after all other units or opt to go to Reserves via Outflanking. You cannot deploy Infiltrator units on your normal deployment 'phase' - you'll always put them after the enemy normal deploy. So you'll be Infiltrating.

That's interesting.
I can't say I've ever noticed that before. Is that the exact wording?

Yeah, that I did know. The wording to infiltrate changed in 6th I believe, to make infiltration compulsory.

I just checked over my rulebook. It doesn't use the word "must", but does not seem to use wording to suggest it's optional.

 Ond Angel wrote:
I just checked over my rulebook. It doesn't use the word "must", but does not seem to use wording to suggest it's optional.

Spoiler:

Infiltrate, BRB page 167 wrote:
Units that contain at least one model with this special rule are deployed last, after all other units (friend and foe) have been deployed.
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