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I think arc weapons are the real winners so far. Str.6 rapidfire with haywire at a mere 15 points is a steal. The fact that rangers can get three at 10 men is just plain criminal. Ally in some drop pods or put them in a valkerie and you've got a great solution to knights and other vehicles for a very reasonable cost.

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Every keeps saying 3 in a 10 man. It's 3 in a 5 man and 4 in a 10 man (the "sarg" gets a special weapon too). I see MSU working well.

Also the walkers can come in 6 man squads, not 5.

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 Lobukia wrote:
Every keeps saying 3 in a 10 man. It's 3 in a 5 man and 4 in a 10 man (the "sarg" gets a special weapon too). I see MSU working well.

Also the walkers can come in 6 man squads, not 5.


Because it is 3, the Alpha's can only take from Melee, Ranged, Special Issue Wargear, and Relics of Mars, not the Special Weapons tab.

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I'm curious how well Skitarii would work allied with a Taghmata Omnissiah or a Legio Cybernetica. I've been thinking of building a Mechanicum army for awhile now, but mostly the cost has held me at bay so far.

Looking this over though, I don't think it would work very well either as fluff or not. Some of the rules are a little bit synergistic but for the most part they use completely different equipment and special rules. Also just from a fluff perspective I'm not sure it makes a whole lot of sense? I've read the Forgeworld books regarding the Mechanicum, but I don't know a lot about the Skitarii.
   
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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
 Lobukia wrote:
Every keeps saying 3 in a 10 man. It's 3 in a 5 man and 4 in a 10 man (the "sarg" gets a special weapon too). I see MSU working well.

Also the walkers can come in 6 man squads, not 5.


Because it is 3, the Alpha's can only take from Melee, Ranged, Special Issue Wargear, and Relics of Mars, not the Special Weapons tab.


Good catch, my bad.

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Murrdox wrote:
I'm curious how well Skitarii would work allied with a Taghmata Omnissiah or a Legio Cybernetica. I've been thinking of building a Mechanicum army for awhile now, but mostly the cost has held me at bay so far.

Looking this over though, I don't think it would work very well either as fluff or not. Some of the rules are a little bit synergistic but for the most part they use completely different equipment and special rules. Also just from a fluff perspective I'm not sure it makes a whole lot of sense? I've read the Forgeworld books regarding the Mechanicum, but I don't know a lot about the Skitarii.


Unless you house rule it, you can't ally 30k Mechanicum and 40k Adeptus Mechanicus. And you really wouldn't need to as the 30k Mechanicum is easily good enough on its own.

   
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 BoomWolf wrote:
How the flying feth is the walker SEXIST?!

I mean, seriously. HOW?

There is nothing about it that is gender-related. I'm not even sure the soldiers HAVE genders considering they are admech and all.

Take the pic to your mom or sister show her the "driver" and ask her if that is offensive or not.
   
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Makumba wrote:
 BoomWolf wrote:
How the flying feth is the walker SEXIST?!

I mean, seriously. HOW?

There is nothing about it that is gender-related. I'm not even sure the soldiers HAVE genders considering they are admech and all.

Take the pic to your mom or sister show her the "driver" and ask her if that is offensive or not.


I'm not sure the driver is female. Pretty sure that the chest piece is a padded metal frame the servitor is resting on. I mean the riders toes barely meet the servitor's body... I don't find the pilot/gunner in a Valkyrie sexual, nor do I see that element here.

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From what Im seeing and toying with the points its looking like the best approach is MSU spam targets each with a powerful array of weapons, 3 ironstriders are 165pts. 5 vanguard with 2 arc rifles is 85pts. 135pts for 3 of the assault ones who against tanks and ws3 will have 12 s8 hits, and 10 s8 hits against ws4-8.

That I can see is where it becomes competitive. Combined with the orders and we'll see how far their offense goes.

Basically think of them as imperial dark eldar.


Makumba wrote:
 BoomWolf wrote:
How the flying feth is the walker SEXIST?!

I mean, seriously. HOW?

There is nothing about it that is gender-related. I'm not even sure the soldiers HAVE genders considering they are admech and all.

Take the pic to your mom or sister show her the "driver" and ask her if that is offensive or not.


Thanks Anita, you wanna tell us that 40k causes violence too? Maybe we should ban everything that hurts our feelings.

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 foto69man wrote:
Murrdox wrote:
I'm curious how well Skitarii would work allied with a Taghmata Omnissiah or a Legio Cybernetica. I've been thinking of building a Mechanicum army for awhile now, but mostly the cost has held me at bay so far.

Looking this over though, I don't think it would work very well either as fluff or not. Some of the rules are a little bit synergistic but for the most part they use completely different equipment and special rules. Also just from a fluff perspective I'm not sure it makes a whole lot of sense? I've read the Forgeworld books regarding the Mechanicum, but I don't know a lot about the Skitarii.


Unless you house rule it, you can't ally 30k Mechanicum and 40k Adeptus Mechanicus. And you really wouldn't need to as the 30k Mechanicum is easily good enough on its own.


My motivation for this alliance isn't supplied by rules, but moreover the capacity of my wallet! I haven't seen prices yet, but I'm guessing I could save a lot of money on a Mechanicum army by doing say 750 points of Skitarii and 750 points of Forgeworld Mechanicum.
   
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 Toofast wrote:
45-55 points that will be gone before it kills anything against a competent opponent. I just don't see much competitive potential here. Hopefully the rest of their stuff will be better. If not I'll just stick to forge world mechanicum. The models look better and are much more powerful on the tabletop.


Yeah cause God forbid anyone put a fluffy army on the table that is not a combination of the most uber points/performance efficient units available across all the books and formations it has access to.........FFS

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 quickfuze wrote:
 Toofast wrote:
45-55 points that will be gone before it kills anything against a competent opponent. I just don't see much competitive potential here. Hopefully the rest of their stuff will be better. If not I'll just stick to forge world mechanicum. The models look better and are much more powerful on the tabletop.


Yeah cause God forbid anyone put a fluffy army on the table that is not a combination of the most uber points/performance efficient units available across all the books and formations it has access to.........FFS


How 'I don't see much competitive potential in this army' was read as 'god forbid anyone put a fluffy army on the table' beats me...
   
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Personally I like the infantry of the skiitari way better than the light infantry of the Mechanicum, so I will definitely be adding in Skiitari to my mechanicum army using Thallax as troops for the mechanicum. So they'll bring the heavy infantry and the MCs and the skiitari will bring the infantry.

Without a transport though those guys are gonna be pretty much MSU all the way.

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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Even less reason to bring Landraiders now :/

So much haywire.

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And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
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 Desubot wrote:
Even less reason to bring Landraiders now :/

So much haywire.

And I am just about to invest in a Spartan Assault Tank :(

 
   
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Tbh, I feel Skitarii might shake up the meta a bit, given their abundance of Precision Shots.

Squads that rely on 2-3 hard-hitting weapons hidden delivery n a mass of largely worthless bodies like SM Tacticals will struggle vs Skitarii, and a couple of Ballistari will make it difficult for any kind of Deathstars to kerp their ICs alive.

I'm curious how feasible would sniping Grimoire bearers from Daemons armies be.
   
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Wait.

So a 75 point walker with precision shots on a twin-linked Lascannon that snap fires on bs2 strikes people as NOT awesome?

That thing is gonna snipe out a special weapon/force multiplier unit every turn and if it doesn't have something like that to fire at it'll take a shot at some kind of vehicle. If the AdMech HQ choice is cheap and decent, a double-detachment running six of those walkers solo with Lascannons alongside MSU rangers rocking the max number of arc rifles will be a scary thing.

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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By every turn, you mean roughly once per game? It still needs to roll a 6 to hit in order to pick a target.

   
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Man, looking at the Skitarii unit, they're everything I ever wanted IG Stormtroopers to be. Screw the AP3, give me the 18" assault 3 S3 guns and some interesting options.

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I want to "like" Vaktathi's post. Can't say it better myself.

Personally I see the opportunity for a lot of shenanigans with the abundance of precision shots in this army. Anyone fielding Death Company with hidden power fists isn't going to have a good time. Not to mention being able to snipe out Sergeants for leadership shenanigans. I can't wait to see what the HQ options bring, as well as Relics of Mars.
   
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LordBlades wrote:
Tbh, I feel Skitarii might shake up the meta a bit, given their abundance of Precision Shots.

Squads that rely on 2-3 hard-hitting weapons hidden delivery n a mass of largely worthless bodies like SM Tacticals will struggle vs Skitarii, and a couple of Ballistari will make it difficult for any kind of Deathstars to kerp their ICs alive.

I'm curious how feasible would sniping Grimoire bearers from Daemons armies be.


So basically, it's going to punish everything except Necrons, who are laughing it up to the bank.
   
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Lets be real here lizard, it's generally accepted that nothing short of Titans can punish decurion necrons, and even then...

Unless of course the person fielding them is new.
   
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 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
 BoomWolf wrote:
How the flying feth is the walker SEXIST?!

I mean, seriously. HOW?

There is nothing about it that is gender-related. I'm not even sure the soldiers HAVE genders considering they are admech and all.

Troll-ololol?

Actually, I wonder if he's referring to the feet on it? Some dummy might think that they're supposed to resemble heels, which they obviously don't since we can see that they go flat when the foot is all the way on the ground. It might be an attempted cross-reference to the whole "Zero Suit Samus has rocket heels now for some unfathomable reason", which actually was kind of sexist.


Only the winner of the ultimate nerd contest could possibly find the Skitarri to be sexually arousing >.<
   
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 Talys wrote:
 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
 BoomWolf wrote:
How the flying feth is the walker SEXIST?!

I mean, seriously. HOW?

There is nothing about it that is gender-related. I'm not even sure the soldiers HAVE genders considering they are admech and all.

Troll-ololol?

Actually, I wonder if he's referring to the feet on it? Some dummy might think that they're supposed to resemble heels, which they obviously don't since we can see that they go flat when the foot is all the way on the ground. It might be an attempted cross-reference to the whole "Zero Suit Samus has rocket heels now for some unfathomable reason", which actually was kind of sexist.


Only the winner of the ultimate nerd contest could possibly find the Skitarri to be sexually arousing >.<
I'm game for anything at least once...



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 Desubot wrote:
Even less reason to bring Landraiders now :/

So much haywire.


Just don't come within 30" of the arc rifle squads, its not like there will be 3 in each or anything.... Oh wait.

Im starting to get the impression that GW really doesn't want people taking tanks. Even imperial knights drop to haywire on a scale like that. Not to mention those riders getting a ton of s8 hits with even a small number of them.

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Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
 
   
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 McGibs wrote:
By every turn, you mean roughly once per game? It still needs to roll a 6 to hit in order to pick a target.


remember they can be run in squadrons of 6. On average you're looking at 2 precision shots per round of fire from a full sized unit of the iron striders.

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BrianDavion wrote:
 McGibs wrote:
By every turn, you mean roughly once per game? It still needs to roll a 6 to hit in order to pick a target.


remember they can be run in squadrons of 6. On average you're looking at 2 precision shots per round of fire from a full sized unit of the iron striders.


that's kind of wasteful for 270pts of dudes for 12 sniper shots when they can just charge things and get 20 s8 attacks against anything that is ws4, or better yet, 24 s8 hits against anything they hit on 3+. I'd rather take them MSU style in squads of 3 and go tank and small unit hunting.

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LordBlades wrote:
Tbh, I feel Skitarii might shake up the meta a bit, given their abundance of Precision Shots.

Squads that rely on 2-3 hard-hitting weapons hidden delivery n a mass of largely worthless bodies like SM Tacticals will struggle vs Skitarii, and a couple of Ballistari will make it difficult for any kind of Deathstars to kerp their ICs alive.

I'm curious how feasible would sniping Grimoire bearers from Daemons armies be.


This isn't that big of a deal. Precision shots isn't that great. Lots of armies can do it. Lots of sniper kroot or SM scouts. You can do it easily with cheap ratlings or mass lasguns. It usually doesn't work out as a game changer.
   
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nedTCM wrote:
LordBlades wrote:
Tbh, I feel Skitarii might shake up the meta a bit, given their abundance of Precision Shots.

Squads that rely on 2-3 hard-hitting weapons hidden delivery n a mass of largely worthless bodies like SM Tacticals will struggle vs Skitarii, and a couple of Ballistari will make it difficult for any kind of Deathstars to kerp their ICs alive.

I'm curious how feasible would sniping Grimoire bearers from Daemons armies be.


This isn't that big of a deal. Precision shots isn't that great. Lots of armies can do it. Lots of sniper kroot or SM scouts. You can do it easily with cheap ratlings or mass lasguns. It usually doesn't work out as a game changer.


With the first three you are relying on immobile snipers, with Kroot at 24" and then there's the issue of most of them being BS3 (ratlings BS4), and being far more vulnerable at having no armor, or T2.

With Galvonic Rifles they'll still be able to move and shoot, while having vastly better protections against standard weaponry as well as being able to reliably penetrate armor at AP4, and at 15" being able to double tap.

While not exactly vast in difference, it's still quite better, they are even one point more then ratling's even.

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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:


With the first three you are relying on immobile snipers, with Kroot at 24" and then there's the issue of most of them being BS3 (ratlings BS4), and being far more vulnerable at having no armor, or T2.

With Galvonic Rifles they'll still be able to move and shoot, while having vastly better protections against standard weaponry as well as being able to reliably penetrate armor at AP4, and at 15" being able to double tap.

While not exactly vast in difference, it's still quite better, they are even one point more then ratling's even.


I am not saying they are bad. They sounds pretty cool. I just don't think precision shot is that big of a deal it is just a nice added bonus. Having a decent strength AP4 long range weapon is the pretty awesome.
   
 
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