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In the range of 1500 - 2000 points, looking for hard counters to wave serpents, wraith knights, and all their troop options using the space marine codex and it's various supplements.
I'm looking for ways to gear up specifically against Eldar, I don't really care if the army would loose to everyone else so long as it gives Eldar players a really bad day, actually I don't even care if I lose to Eldar I just want to make sure they hate playing Eldar against it.

I'm wondering if anyone has found any success in this and if so could you please share?

There are no hard counter to wave serpents. That's the whole problem. There are only soft, iffy-andy counters that smart Eldar players can still succeed against.

Eldar are geared up well for taking down SM unfortunately. My SM seem mismatched against them.

The luck I have had v Eldar is with IG foot guard, Eldar/ Elite armies dont like the massed firepower and hordes of cheap expendable guys..

So all I can suggest is a big CC scout army infiltrating, flooding the table and assaulting the serpents with Krak.

 scommy wrote:
Eldar are geared up well for taking down SM unfortunately. My SM seem mismatched against them.

The luck I have had v Eldar is with IG foot guard, Eldar/ Elite armies dont like the massed firepower and hordes of cheap expendable guys..

So all I can suggest is a big CC scout army infiltrating, flooding the table and assaulting the serpents with Krak.

You can't assault the first turn, and they can zoom past you and ignore all your krak grenades.

Martel732 wrote:

 scommy wrote:
Eldar are geared up well for taking down SM unfortunately. My SM seem mismatched against them.

The luck I have had v Eldar is with IG foot guard, Eldar/ Elite armies dont like the massed firepower and hordes of cheap expendable guys..

So all I can suggest is a big CC scout army infiltrating, flooding the table and assaulting the serpents with Krak.

You can't assault the first turn, and they can zoom past you and ignore all your krak grenades.

True that. And with Scouts being 11 points a shot they arent exactly cheap enough to turn into a hoard style army and flood the board.

I dunno, there must be a way..

The Sicaran tank from forgeworld is perfect for taking out skimmers. Grav is great for dealing with wraithknights.

I think grav bikes with 3 sicarans (Iron hands for IWND?) would be your best bet. Jink for the low AP stuff, IWND+cover should keep the sicarans alive long enough to wipe the serpents/hornets.

is your opponent a smart player who has always played eldar or just a power gamer??

Martel732 wrote:
There are no hard counter to wave serpents. That's the whole problem. There are only soft, iffy-andy counters that smart Eldar players can still succeed against.

Anti-tank fire with ignore cover works pretty well on them.

Sicarians are pretty good. The new Xiphons are not bad either.

Tigurius providing ignore cover is also nice.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Sicarians are pretty good. The new Xiphons are not bad either.

Tigurius providing ignore cover is also nice.

I once use Tigirius with LC dev squad, which combined fire with 5 men droppod sternguard killed a Eldar WK in the first turn. Very lucky

1850pts
Iron hands single CAD

Chapter Master
Bike, Thunder hammer, Artificier Armour, Shield Eternal

Master of the Forge

5 scouts
Landspeeder storm

5 scouts
Landspeeder storm

5 tac marines
Flamer
Razorback with multimelta (FW)

5 bikes
2 grav, combi-grav

5 bikes
2 grav, combi-grav

Javelin (FW)
Typhoon ML, MM, 2 HK missiles

Javelin
Typhoon ML, MM, 2 HK missiles

Javelin
Typhoon ML, MM, 2 HK missiles

3 grav centurions
Omniscope

Sicaran (FW)
Schism of mars, lascannons

Sicaran

1850pts

Grav cents, bikes and CM can combat wraithknights or serpents.
Sicarans probably the best unit in the game at taking down serpents.
Javelins can deepstrike behind serpents unless the opponent sticks them against the back board all game, and then unload with 5 st8 shots, 1 being melta. Of course they can also help against wraithknights.
MotF to unlock javelins and sicarans past the 1st.
Tacs and scouts with DTs to provide 6 more scoring units.

Best I can think of against Eldar at 1850pts.

Aside from the list my best advice would be:
-when a serp has jinked, move on to another (unless is is forging ahead carrying a unit you do not want to reach your lines).
-hit wraithknights with stuff that doesn't really care about T8 such as grav, or lock them in combat with a super tough unit like the CM.
-kill warpsiders and swooping hawks quickly.
-even with a 5++ warwalkers are fragile if they fail to get back behind LoS blocking cover.
-snipe out the wraithguards flamers if at all possible if you plan on charging them.
-Do not let a fragon or wraith guard serp near your heavy tanks. OR use a tank as bait, let it die, but make sure you have 2 fast assault units nearby, 1 to charge the fragons, 1 to charge the serp.
-If using ravens, do not be scared to drop into hover if this means you can get a MM rear shot at 1 and missiles+AC rear shot at another (due to PotMS)
-Don't let too many guardians/avengers near your expensive infantry (HG, Sternies, VVs, command squads etc).
-Use scouts to combat jetbikes (preferably with LSS), or assault marines (this primarily applies to BA though).

Unfortunately you can't take 3 Sicarans in most cases, generally you can only take 1 due to the the Relic of the Armory rule.
Though also I've found Sicarans don't actually kill wave serpents as well as you might think, first of all they can still get a cover save, just not a jink save, but even with no save the main gun doesn't reliably take off enough hull points each turn to kill a wave serpent, and the Sicaran is more expensive than a wave serpent.
I've had some success with mass bikers with grav, but not enough success as the wave serpents and just regular eldar troops with their mono-bs guns kill the bikers quickly.

It does look like the new Mechanicum might be bringing some serious anti-eldar capabilities with their rad-posioning (6s auto cause 2 wounds) for wraith knights and their lumanagin (-1 cover save for each glance or pen ... asssuming this gets applied to the hits from it and not after cause otherwise its worthless) so I might just have to ally them in :(

I'm still hoping there is a way to gear up against Eldar with just SM though, as Eldar seem to be SM kryptonite.

A sicaran with schism of mars takes of an average of 2.96hps off of any av12 vehicle just from its main gun. Factor in the tank hunting lascannons and it gets very silly.

The problem with using a Sicaran as a hard counter to Wave Serpents is that it is only a hard counter to one Wave Serpent. And then the Sicaran gets blown away. Multiple Sicarans, with the appropriate character to allow them, can be an answer, but is it really worth spending that much money just to counter one specific army?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
The problem with using a Sicaran as a hard counter to Wave Serpents is that it is only a hard counter to one Wave Serpent. And then the Sicaran gets blown away. Multiple Sicarans, with the appropriate character to allow them, can be an answer, but is it really worth spending that much money just to counter one specific army?

No, it's not.

If you are countering Eldar, then yes it's worth it for SM armies to invest those kind of Army resources.

But you can only put schism of mars on 1 Sicaran and that puts it at 160 points with just the main gun and no other upgrades and without a master of the forge you can only take 1 Sicaran. Also you are assuming no cover save just because of no jink save.
I just don't think Sicarans are the answer to Eldar.

Ally in your own Eldar.

Fight fire with Space Elves.

Another option would be to field an SM horde army.
Say six Pods with 10 Marines each.

Death cents or draigo star works pretty good. Any wraith Knights get dropped and can leverage enough glances and maybe an immobilized result if your lucky to the serpents. I mean CC with Krak can work well with SM's. One thing the Eldar have over SM's is speed so keep up with them with bikes or take a Death Star(s). One LC Dev squad with ignores cover and re rolls will get removed very quickly if your opponent has even a slight sense of tactics. As for the sicarin, Id take more than one if anything because you can't expect one tank to wreck an entire list upwards of of 1500+ points. You need your army to work as a whole and not have one heavy hitter or carrying your list.

Going hardcore FW can get pricey tho

how about this for starters

6 X 10 man scouts (combat squads) 660

3 X 10 scout biker squads (combat squads) 540

90 bodies comes to 1200 leaving 300 for whatever HQ one likes.

Could just proxy normal marines as scouts. That is a lot of models/units for an elite army like eldar to get thru. Just ignore the wraithknigt take down everything else. space out units so there are few empty areas on board to zoom to with no scouts nearby.

Just run normal bolters and krak any vehicles you can assault. UM assault doctrine turn 2 then tactical doctrine turn 3 to mow down spilled passengers.