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I made a comment about Kharn not being in the new Khorne supplement, and a friend who is good (not great) with 40k lore said in the newest book Kharn left Khorne and is now serving in the Black Legion and following Chaos Undivided.

1) is this true?
2) if it is, why all the whine about Kharn not being in Khorne supplement?

I have not read it, but I call BS on it anyway.

Kharn going undivided? Not going to happen.

Kharn is still well ingrained with Khorne, working with Black Legion or not. One does not simply stop providing skulls for the skull throne.


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For question 2, the whine comes from wanting a famous and popular character to be useable.

He's not Undivided, but I'm guessing he's gonna be in an upcoming Legion supplement or his own dataslate!

Kharn leave the Blood god?

He,s one of his patrons gods greatest mortal champions.
Expect a data slate or add on in the future.

The Black Legion have many different other legion marines and followers of all the gods under their banner, not just Black Legion (Ie ex Sons of Horus) troops. Kharn did not leave Khorne, he left the World Eaters when he slaughtered many of their number at Skalathrax. You do not have to be aligned to the World Eaters to serve Khorne.

And I believe that the missing kharn is due to kharn being his own man and is rarely seen not in command of his own forces not really being one to take orders and the daemonkin are a faction of there own and with there own levels of comand and are a bit more "religious" which is still not very but again I can see it being enough for kharn to really not belong in there ranks. Would most definitely end up with kharn or skulltaker fighting to the death nether able to resist the chance to challenge the other (and kharn has always sold skulltaker needed the help selling).

So none of you have read the book? I know the 40k fluff really well, don't need Kharn explained. I'm just curious if the book has this happen in it (the reason I ask is because it's so improbable).

 Lobukia wrote:
So none of you have read the book? I know the 40k fluff really well, don't need Kharn explained. I'm just curious if the book has this happen in it (the reason I ask is because it's so improbable).

It's the first time I've heard it. A lot of people like knee-jerk bashing GW.

 jhe90 wrote:
Kharn leave the Blood god?

He,s one of his patrons gods greatest mortal champions.
Expect a data slate or add on in the future.

And they expect you to open your wallet for a 2 page data slate.

Khorne Demonkin is all about warbands who follow the Cult of Khorne. It has basically nothing to do with the Traitor Legions.

The fluff in the book talks about how mortal worshippers of Khorne gather together in a warband, and follow the sacred texts of Khorne in order to mimic the hierarchy of Khorne's Demonic Legions. They then go on a rampage, killing in Khorne's name and hoping to gather enough influence to summon demonic entities into realspace. In fact their worship of Khorne is so strong that any demons that they summon don't actually time-out back into the Warp - they're able to stay in realspace indefinitely until they are killed/banished. The fluff even talks about how a Demonkin Warband will start off mortal, progress to a mixture of mortals/demons but usually end up being almost entirely Demonic as all the mortals are killed off, but have managed to summon enough Demons to keep it going.

If I'm remembering it right, I think there's a little side-bar piece about the World Eaters, as in like a mention-in-passing, but I don't think it mentions Kharn. Skarbrand also gets a little mention in passing. Nothing about Karanak.

My guess is Kharn is not in the book because he doesn't have a plastic version of the model. I expect to see more characters disappear as finecast and the remaining metals go away.

 GoonBandito wrote:
Khorne Demonkin is all about warbands who follow the Cult of Khorne. It has basically nothing to do with the Traitor Legions.

The fluff in the book talks about how mortal worshippers of Khorne gather together in a warband, and follow the sacred texts of Khorne in order to mimic the hierarchy of Khorne's Demonic Legions. They then go on a rampage, killing in Khorne's name and hoping to gather enough influence to summon demonic entities into realspace. In fact their worship of Khorne is so strong that any demons that they summon don't actually time-out back into the Warp - they're able to stay in realspace indefinitely until they are killed/banished. The fluff even talks about how a Demonkin Warband will start off mortal, progress to a mixture of mortals/demons but usually end up being almost entirely Demonic as all the mortals are killed off, but have managed to summon enough Demons to keep it going.

If I'm remembering it right, I think there's a little side-bar piece about the World Eaters, as in like a mention-in-passing, but I don't think it mentions Kharn. Skarbrand also gets a little mention in passing. Nothing about Karanak.

Except the book has chaos space marines, instead of cultists ("mortals")

 Crimson Devil wrote:
My guess is Kharn is not in the book because he doesn't have a plastic version of the model. I expect to see more characters disappear as finecast and the remaining metals go away.

Exactly this. There isn't any higher-reaching reason other than existing models. They did the same thing with DE and a couple of other factions. Heck, Kharn is on the LE cover of the Khorne Daemonkin book, so it's not like GW didn't associate him. This is just bout models.

 Rippy wrote:

Except the book has chaos space marines, instead of cultists ("mortals")

Chaos Marines are mortals by daemon standards. This is particularly noticeable with how "true" daemons look down on daemon princes, even if those princes were probably CSM in life.


EDIT: Old off-topic (missed the point) reply below:

Cultists are a Codex:CSM unit, and the Khorne Daemonkin book fluff does include them. Yes, they're only one unit, but fluff-wise, GW seems to consider them a Lost and Damned Equivalent in the fluff if you look at various things like the Crimson Slaughter fluff and the Dark Vengeance fluff that have entire cities worth of the guys tagging alongside the Chaos Space Marines (even though an actual Lost and Damned would be a lot more than just one unit, obviously).

So yes, while you only see a small minority of cultists in an actual CSM army on the tabletop, if that much, fluff-wise that unit's existance is meant to show that there are tons of the little dudes in things like the Crimson Slaughter supplement and Daemonkin book.

GW laziness when it comes to making models and units to match the fluff (or in this case, an entire army list, which would make more sense), but eh.

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

Except the book has chaos space marines, instead of cultists ("mortals")

Chaos Marines are mortals by daemon standards. This is particularly noticeable with how "true" daemons look down on daemon princes, even if those princes were probably CSM in life.

Okay all good, probably my bad, been reading alot of HH series where they constantly refer to non-astartes as mortals.

Bud didn't he recieve his own Kharn's Butcherhorde thing?

He did. That came out along with Eater of Worlds, which is a novel describing how the battle of Skalathrax got started.

Essentially, Kharn doesn't give a damn about summoning daemons, which is the Daemonkin's driving goal. He just wants to beat as many people to death as possible with their own skulls.

The butcherhorde, which has no daemonic elements but has the potentially to be truly ridiculous in assaults, reflects this; it's just Kharn being followed round by a mob of frothing khornate marines.

locarno24 wrote:
He did. That came out along with Eater of Worlds, which is a novel describing how the battle of Skalathrax got started.

Essentially, Kharn doesn't give a damn about summoning daemons, which is the Daemonkin's driving goal. He just wants to beat as many people to death as possible with their own skulls.

The butcherhorde, which has no daemonic elements but has the potentially to be truly ridiculous in assaults, reflects this; it's just Kharn being followed round by a mob of frothing khornate marines.

I guess that can explain things in-universally, but I'd hate to be a Khornate player right now because it seems it'd take one dex + at least a dataslate to play a full-Khorne army.

Edit: Also, according to the OP, if you want to use Skarband (who, admittingly, is a traitor) you'd have to have two detachments (also the C:CD dex)

 Lobukia wrote:
I made a comment about Kharn not being in the new Khorne supplement, and a friend who is good (not great) with 40k lore said in the newest book Kharn left Khorne and is now serving in the Black Legion and following Chaos Undivided.

1) is this true?
2) if it is, why all the whine about Kharn not being in Khorne supplement?

There's an article on BoLS right now postulating that GW is going to be getting rid of all named characters.

It is my understanding that Daemonkin are rules for war bands who worship daemons of khorne and want to be closer to him and aspire to possession (thus the blood tithe table). Kharn doesn't worship the daemons or want ot be possessed. Also he and his butchers have a data slate that is usable with any csm or chaos iteration.

Also i have heard they are phasing out fine cast Named models. but that is just a rumor

Maby there going back to the build your own named lord like they did back in the day when you'd see half of an army's points dumped into a single lord.

skullthroneatendent wrote:
Maby there going back to the build your own named lord like they did back in the day when you'd see half of an army's points dumped into a single lord.

It didn't work out in Warhammer. I doubt they're gonna make that mistake twice.

Kharn is the biggest Khorneflake there is, he also doesn't discriminate, any blood is good for the blood god, so he can join any faction and if they do not sate his masters skull demand, he will kill them just as happily.