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So one of my friends told me he's going to stop playing WHFB, and switch to infinity. I think he's really jumping the gun since we really don't know whats coming next, but it made me think, what is everyone going to do if WHFB 9th ed is a flop? Is there any other game you guys would switch to? or do you guys already play a second game that you would invest more in?

WFB 8th is perfectly fine. No need to change if you do not like 9th.

Warmachine is my go to game. A lot of people play in my area so it much easier to get a game in. Not to much excitement in my area being talked about with regards of 9th edition. So I don't think it's going to bring any new players into the fold.

I'll just stick to eighth.

Topic started twice already...

LIke i always said if i quit fantasy i would just quit the hobby hate the other wana be games.

I'll try to stick to 8th. We have a decent ish community but week to week open play can be flaky.

I'll likely hop to WM/H since there has been a HUGE upswing in players to the point where on any given day I can walk in for a pick up game.

We've treid to grow fantasy but the high start up cost & uncertainty has people holding off.

OgreChubbs wrote:
LIke i always said if i quit fantasy i would just quit the hobby hate the other wana be games.

Which ones have you actually tried? X-Wing? KoW? WMH? Infinity? Dust? Wrath of Kings? I mean, the list is huge. I'd be shocked if you hated every single one of them, but approved of WHFB8.

I'll try to stick to 8th or play 9th if it doesn't completely trash my Ogre and Dark Elf armies. I occasionally play Xwing anyway, I have some 40k armies which I play regularly.

I've tried Warmahorde several times and I just can't get into it, and the same goes for other skirmish games like Infinity and Malifeux. The more I read the rumours, the more I think GW is not going to utterly destroy our armies.

Already jumped the sinking ship that was WHFB, Never had any high hopes for what GW could do to the game until the endtimes where released.... I still dont understand whom that was a good idea.
Returned to Hail Caesare and Pike & Shot

WHFB 8th comped?

 Sigvatr wrote:
WHFB 8th comped?

This, basically. Would try and get a decent comp pack drafted up for End Times, to inject a bit more diversity in the game (current standard comp packs are lagging behind, and I've lately joined the chorus of voices saying that ET characters and Host of the Eternity King make End Times games unpleasant for the rest of us). A property Swedish pack would be a good place to start, as much as I'm staring to loathe that.

But yeah, I would just stick with 8th until they ironed the kinks out of 9th. I trust that they won't change it so dramatically that I won't eventually come around (once new content starts rolling in).

 Trondheim wrote:
until the endtimes where released.... I still dont understand whom that was a good idea.

The end times was a great idea. It saw a resurgence in popularity & got people excited about WHFB. The bad idea came from changing the magic phase & making it super random / clunky and pretty much everything in Archaon being shoehorned in as regular rules. Had they left them as 2 separate entities I would have been fine, but trying to say "Nope, these are the official rules now, no choice." was a bad decision.

True the super characters are a bit bent but that's easy to comp out as many tournaments have said "No special characters over X pts". I'm fine with having end times rules be separate from regular BRB rules. It gives you more options, if you want a more funsies game you can play ET as it gives you more options. Again true you can break the gak out of it but that has to do with players more than the game. Just make it a special rule option like many local metas have done & say you need to agree to playing an "End Times" game to use the stuff.

There are 2 types of players who will use the unbound rules. There are those who will use it to make a fluff based list that was never possible before, like a minotaur beastmen army or a dwarf ranger expedition. Then there are the people who will build a dwarf army with nothing but cannons & organ guns. It's up to you to determine which you will be and which you will play against.

I'm going to play 9th

Kings of War has, and will have in print, army lists compatible with all your Warhammer Fantasy Armies. It's also an awesome game, with the rules available both in print and free PDF formats. Kings of War's second edition will be dropping roughly the same time as Warhammer Fantasy 9th edition is rumored to.

 adamsouza wrote:
Kings of War has, and will have in print, army lists compatible with all your Warhammer Fantasy Armies. It's also an awesome game, with the rules available both in print and free PDF formats. Kings of War's second edition will be dropping roughly the same time as Warhammer Fantasy 9th edition is rumored to.

The thing I keep hearing about Kings of War is that it's "too simple" to have the sort of replay value that 8th edition WHFB does. Though I suppose that's a helpful place to be if you're trying to entice players to join.

Take Warhammer Fantasy, toss the charts and make the numbers you need to roll the stat line. Universal Special rules instead of everyone having special snowflake special rules. Everyone has access to the same list of spells. Each army has an army wide special rule, so even if you have two units from different armies with the same stat line, they play differently.

The biggest difference is units don't lose attacks with casualties. When a unit takes damage it tests to see if it breaks. Casualties are a penalty applied to that check.

Plays like a faster, streamlined, version of Warhammer, where tactical movement is more important.

It's simple like chess is simple.

 adamsouza wrote:
Take Warhammer Fantasy, toss the charts and make the numbers you need to roll the stat line. Universal Special rules instead of everyone having special snowflake special rules. Everyone has access to the same list of spells. Each army has an army wide special rule, so even if you have two units from different armies with the same stat line, they play differently.

The biggest difference is units don't lose attacks with casualties. When a unit takes damage it tests to see if it breaks. Casualties are a penalty applied to that check.

Plays like a faster, streamlined, version of Warhammer, where tactical movement is more important.

It's simple like chess is simple.

Indeed. KoW is simple mechanically, so you don't get bogged down in who can do what and how, all the info you need is in one stat line, and while 2nd Ed is adding new rules for certain units, most of them are as simple as 'reroll 1s' or 'remove X Damage each turn', keeping things easy to remember. There are also fewer rule 'interactions'; basically if it's your turn, you do stuff, the enemy does nothing until their turn. (Seems odd onaper, but is great in practice)

In terms of actual tactical depth, it is as goes as/better than WFB; you can't rely on or build around an uber-unit or mega-spell, so each unit has to have a purpose and carry it's weight, rather than just acting as point fillers. Movement is key, as is the order of movement, and always thinking ahead. Buffs are relatively small, so are more about tipping a balance in your favour, rather than turning units into world-beaters.

All I can say is try it; you may not like it, but all the rules are free so there's nothing to lose. There are several KoW vs WFB threads in the Mantic forum if you want more info.

PirateRobotNinjaofDeath wrote:
The thing I keep hearing about Kings of War is that it's "too simple" to have the sort of replay value that 8th edition WHFB does. Though I suppose that's a helpful place to be if you're trying to entice players to join.

Replay value!?! A lot of fanboys I've seen (e.g. the 'release schedule' topic up in Dakka Discussions) cite 'moar stuff to buy' and 'constant GW shakeups' as high up on the list of reasons to play WHFB (one often leading to the other) and since the 9th ed rumours started I see an awful lot of quitters vowing to ebay their armies, partly because there's 'no moar stuff to buy' for 8th ed. They don't seem to see much inherent replay value in WHFB; and that looks like a by-product of GW's designs.

Besides, you 'keep hearing about Kings of War' from WHFB players, and as Korinov just told you in another topic, Warhammer is a game of bloat and micromanagement. When that's been the whole of their gaming life (like the tabletop version of Freaky Eaters living on crisps and spaghetti hoops) I don't wonder that they get a culture shock with KoW. I did with other 'simple' games, but got over it.
Those, particularly many historical games, are as I say as simple or are simpler than KoW, may not have edition changes (let alone improvements) for years, if ever; and the historical ones don't even have wizards and monsters, or new additions to their roster every couple of years! Yet people still play and replay them for what they are - games that often rely on deceptive, tactical simplicity and outwitting your opponent than on special rules and new-release fever.

I'll go to another system. Ive never liked the idea of clinging onto a dead game before (unless its blood bowl ) so I'll just abandon fantasy and head to something like flames of war, dystopian wars/legion its not the same but rather that than waiting around for someone to list some OOP fantasy models on ebay whenever I need a new set a few years from now.

I'll give 9th a shot, shouldn't say anything about it until I see the actual rules/fluff. But if it is so bad it makes me quit, id probably just stick to 40k.

WHFB is the only Fantasy game I own and I haven't played it much in 8th. If 9th sucks I'll just continue to not play it. I might consider selling my armies, but it'd have to look like there's no turning around before I do that.

I would still stick with 9th ed as I can't believe it's going to be that bad.

OgreChubbs wrote:
LIke i always said if i quit fantasy i would just quit the hobby hate the other wana be games.

Bye then.

I've already left WFB, due to 8th being a steaming turd. Bought Napoleonics instead. Now theres a real game.

I already jumped.
Kings of war. Love it for its quick pick up and play and the way you don't have to have 500 quid of rules to play competitively.
But I miss warhammer depth and customisation.
There's my ans

I'd probably stick with 8th. Ideally, I'd like to tweak a few things here and there (like letting High Elf heroes ride pegasi, and similar support for other old miniatures), but I'm not sure I could convince my friends to put in the development work.

That or use 5th edition to expand Mordheim into a more generic Warhammer skirmish system.

Kings of War sounds interesting, but no-one round here plays it, so I don't know anything about it. Warmachine is good enough, and I like the setting, but it's hardly a replacement for Warhammer, and I don't like the "exception"-based rules design.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

Kings of War sounds interesting, but no-one round here plays it, so I don't know anything about it.

If only there was some form of readily-accessible worldwide network where you could pull 'down' a 'load' of information, like game rules or whatnot.

We'll just keep playing 8th edition.

Well the KoW rules are free from the mantic website and you can usually persuade a Warhammer player to give it a go...if they own orcs, gobbo's and dwarfs ect
Haha

If 9th is a bust, we'll stick with 8th for regimental games.

For Skirmish, Skirmish+, we're looking hard at Wrath of Kings.

Probably get a lot more serious about Xwing too.