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Hey all,

After tough battle with Imperial Knight, it made me want to buy Imperial Knight for my Blood Angel but unsuitable for my Tyranids.

I just thought of copy Imperial Knight rule but build my own Bio-Knight for tyranids.

Maybe it use same data sheet as Imperial Knight or made my own and remove armour value and replace with monster character just like hierophant but size of Imperial Knight.

Will I allow to enter ?

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If you can use a scratch built bio-titan as a knight depends on your opponent, ask them. If it's a tournament, then probably not, email the tournament judges before hand.

Tyranids can take allies or another non-tyranid detachment, you just need to adhere to the allies matrix rules. Though a knight sized model in the middle will create some problems for you moving around it to avoid one-eye-open

looking at your 40k armys im guessing you know this, were you meaning to post in a tournament thread?

Yeah exact, imperial knight are legit to be ally with any races.

I don't mind that my "scratch build" tyranids knight hate my main tyranids armies because it are so bossy and hungry. Good background or of course unless my opponent say my Tyranids knight are battle brother with my main armies.

All scale and size are exact same as imperial knight but scratch build tyranids theme. I am pretty sure next year tournament would allow it. Next year is very long time anywhere.

Imperial Knights, per old background fluff, are used to herd and defend mega-fauna for use as food animals for trade with Forge Worlds. Tyranids are Mega-fauna. It is not only legal to field Knights with Nids, it's actually themed and fluffy. Also, Nids already have Bio-Titans, so running a Knight-size Bio-Titan using IK rules is still themed and fluffy.

SJ

Hmm. Sound like lots of player would refused on me if i use theme imperial knight or too fluff if I take imperial knight in tyranids list..

How the heck can I beat imperial knight... Heh.

Why would they refuse playing you?

And you win against Knights by throwing a bunch of cheap dudes at them as a tarpit and killing the rest of his troops.

I'll build it anywhere! Hah.

It is for fun people only, fussy people can tell me to remove that themed knight and I'll add nasty list :p

Because grey knight was pretty hard to kil so I need to tarpit dreadknight instead of imperial knight until Toxicrene arrive as dreadknight was easy target. Imperial knight waste their ammo on my ace flyrant anywhere! Haha

If you built a custom model to represent an imperial knight and it was reasonably close in shape and scale I would have no problem with you using that model.

However, I would 100% not be OK with you making changes to the datasheet. It would not be OK to change the faction to Tyranid, it would not be OK to change the unit type to gargantuan creature. Official datasheets only please.

Better idea.

Make it so the Knight has been taken over by genestealers. He's a knight, but he's a member of a genestealer cult.

 DJGietzen wrote:
If you built a custom model to represent an imperial knight and it was reasonably close in shape and scale I would have no problem with you using that model.

However, I would 100% not be OK with you making changes to the datasheet. It would not be OK to change the faction to Tyranid, it would not be OK to change the unit type to gargantuan creature. Official datasheets only please.

Yes agree.

Grey Templar, I will buy one Imperial Knight for my imperial ( BA,DA,IG and GK)
And I will build one more that represents as Imperial Knight to my club and represent as gargantuan creature to my friends who like fluff apocalypse games and make up a model from story. It was just for laugh

Solidcrash wrote:
Hey all,

After tough battle with Imperial Knight, it made me want to buy Imperial Knight for my Blood Angel but unsuitable for my Tyranids.

I just thought of copy Imperial Knight rule but build my own Bio-Knight for tyranids.

Maybe it use same data sheet as Imperial Knight or made my own and remove armour value and replace with monster character just like hierophant but size of Imperial Knight.

Will I allow to enter ?

Have you considered a Hierodule? They're not as stabby as a knight (no strength D weapon) but have more attacks at S10, and have much nastier ranged weapons. They sit nicely in a tyranid Lord of War slot, and can provide the army with things it lacks - the ability to burn marines out of cover with a massive hellstorm template, or high rate of fire S10 attacks at long range to wreck tanks and wraithknights.

Double hq for knight or triple hq for barbed hierodule? Do I have to lose one hq worrh for this hierodule?

Knight can be far more survivors than hierodule with shield, but hierodule shoot more than knight with S10. Hierodule has no chance in close combat.

Harridan is better choice to me because it can be far more survivors than hierodule but too expensive- worth double knight..


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More Maleceptor is better so I have a chance to glancing hit with psychic overload. Exocrine is cheapest but with S7 shoot 6 time. Tyrannofex will need upgrade to have 2 shot S10 rupture cannon to replace with Maleceptors for same cost.

Add 160 point for Toxicrene or remove Maleceptor for a knight. That is not YMDC, it is a armies list chat! Haha

As I agree with major of you ask me to use 100% datasheet from imperial Knight rule book. I would happy to use single model to represent for two model In different games.

 DJGietzen wrote:
If you built a custom model to represent an imperial knight and it was reasonably close in shape and scale I would have no problem with you using that model.

However, I would 100% not be OK with you making changes to the datasheet. It would not be OK to change the faction to Tyranid, it would not be OK to change the unit type to gargantuan creature. Official datasheets only please.

Agreed as much as i hate that “one eye open”

Years ago they had the Vehicle design rules and the Monstrous creature design rules in an old white dwarf. My circle back in the day went crazy with it.

I wish they would do an updated version on this especially since we have no Gargantuan without forgeworld.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Better idea.

Make it so the Knight has been taken over by genestealers. He's a knight, but he's a member of a genestealer cult.

Makes sense if you don't want to build appropriately-sized tyranid model, but why would genestealer cults be OEO with tyranid invasion force?
Well, that's besides the point, but still.

I'll just leave this here.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5556/14400729657_d962ec1d1b_b.jpg

Another friend's knight:

Haha! Gear of Tyranids!

My design will be more original tyranids body and fresh, possible same cannon. And it will have 2 bonesword ( designer notice- pair of talons or pair of bonesword count as one)

Less machines more acids blood. Heh.


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DaPino wrote:
I'll just leave this here.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5556/14400729657_d962ec1d1b_b.jpg

Link broken?

You have a pretty ambitious idea.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Better idea.

Make it so the Knight has been taken over by genestealers. He's a knight, but he's a member of a genestealer cult.

Then all you need to do is paint in in House Mortimer's colors and it would look legit!

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/House_Mortimer

The bugs already have a few knight sized monsters that I wouldnt want to mess with in a dark alley (as if they would fit lol). However, if your looking to add another one into their arsonal, go for it. Just try to keep it roughly the same size and dimensions (there will always be TFG who will cry MFA of course) and try to come up with "weapons" that ook like they would get the same type of effect as the ones on the "knight" you are using.

KaptinBadrukk wrote:You have a pretty ambitious idea.

Thank! Hope I did well.

Lord Scythican wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Better idea.

Make it so the Knight has been taken over by genestealers. He's a knight, but he's a member of a genestealer cult.

Then all you need to do is paint in in House Mortimer's colors and it would look legit!

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/House_Mortimer

Hah good one. This imperial seem workship to hive mind! Heh

EVIL INC wrote:The bugs already have a few knight sized monsters that I wouldnt want to mess with in a dark alley (as if they would fit lol). However, if your looking to add another one into their arsonal, go for it. Just try to keep it roughly the same size and dimensions (there will always be TFG who will cry MFA of course) and try to come up with "weapons" that ook like they would get the same type of effect as the ones on the "knight" you are using.

what knight size tyranids you talk about?

Solidcrash wrote:


Hah good one. This imperial seem workship to hive mind! Heh

Also...I believe some of the old fluff had House Mortimer infested with a genestealer cult. Anyone know if this is true?

Solidcrash wrote:
Double hq for knight or triple hq for barbed hierodule? Do I have to lose one hq worrh for this hierodule?

Knight can be far more survivors than hierodule with shield, but hierodule shoot more than knight with S10. Hierodule has no chance in close combat.

Harridan is better choice to me because it can be far more survivors than hierodule but too expensive- worth double knight..


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More Maleceptor is better so I have a chance to glancing hit with psychic overload. Exocrine is cheapest but with S7 shoot 6 time. Tyrannofex will need upgrade to have 2 shot S10 rupture cannon to replace with Maleceptors for same cost.

Add 160 point for Toxicrene or remove Maleceptor for a knight. That is not YMDC, it is a armies list chat! Haha

As I agree with major of you ask me to use 100% datasheet from imperial Knight rule book. I would happy to use single model to represent for two model In different games.

Or use an unbound army of biotitans as a tyranid version of a knight lance - three hierodules is just shy of 1750 points. Two hierodules working together can take knights apart using crossfire

locarno24 wrote:

Solidcrash wrote:
Double hq for knight or ....

Or use an unbound army of biotitans as a tyranid version of a knight lance - three hierodules is just shy of 1750 points. Two hierodules working together can take knights apart using crossfire

three hierodules is just shy of 1750 points?!



Heh. This is YMDC forum, I talk about rule for my idea - Tyranids Knight that copy Imperial Knight Datasheet. Same rule different looks.


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 Lord Scythican wrote:

Solidcrash wrote:


Hah good one. This imperial seem workship to hive mind! Heh

Also...I believe some of the old fluff had House Mortimer infested with a genestealer cult. Anyone know if this is true?

Yeah and also in this book,
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/deathwatch-ebook.html

There are a group of human who workshipped to genestealer and feed them with innocent people. I'll need check which planet this story are in. Maybe same planet?? In this story, genestealer broodlord just stay underground while human bring in their foods while genestealer breed more genestealer. Genestealer do not control human but broodlord give human a idea.

This is perfect fluff that Imperial Knight are side with Genestealer or spawn children of cyrpt instead of tyranids. Not my type to have Imperial Knight model in my Tyranids list! Heh.