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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle




Brighton, MO

I'd have to be there one day a week reliably. I didn't say I'd have to be there every day during the week, lol.

 
   
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USA

I think your making this harder than it needs to be. Just make a flyer with OP dates + any house rules and run off some copies, give them to the store and ask them to hand them out to people who buy ships. It doesn't require you to be there one day a week.

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Washington State

Another way to get the word out: Facebook. My FLGS has a sub-page devoted to STAW, with dates/times/locations/rules for our events. If any new customers show up to buy STAW, the FLGS points them to the Facebook page.

It's worked- 1-2 new people have shown up at most of our events over the last six months or so. Some come back, some skip a few OP's, some we've never seen again. :( The last category makes me kinda sad. We don't know why they quit, if they didn't agree with the player base, etc. etc. We try to make it a welcome and accommodating event, though some players just seem hellbent on ruining it for everyone.

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 Tamwulf wrote:
Another way to get the word out: Facebook. My FLGS has a sub-page devoted to STAW, with dates/times/locations/rules for our events. If any new customers show up to buy STAW, the FLGS points them to the Facebook page.

It's worked- 1-2 new people have shown up at most of our events over the last six months or so. Some come back, some skip a few OP's, some we've never seen again. :( The last category makes me kinda sad. We don't know why they quit, if they didn't agree with the player base, etc. etc. We try to make it a welcome and accommodating event, though some players just seem hellbent on ruining it for everyone.


Well you did say this about your last MoH event "So my meta is completely dominated by WAAC Borg players". That kind of environment does tend to put off new players.


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Brighton, MO

Yeah, I'd like to kind of blanket ban the big borg ships too, but my TO doesn't agree with it. I think they're too intimidating for casual players. :/

 
   
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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:


Organize your own events, pay to play, winner gets a portion of the collected funds as Attack Wing ships/stuff.


Bad. Very bad. When it comes to money or extra prizes, Geeks and Nerds really go for the Power Builds to win. So in essence this will turn more people off so you will have even less people playing. Back when I use to play 40K in 5th edition, we had a tourney for Fun. A Dark Angel player comes and uses the Space Marine codex. I ask why are you not using Dark Angels and he said he wanted to win the $35. THIRTY FIVE freaking dollars? Really? I called him Fallen as a joke but he took offence. It just goes to show you how little the prize is or big, people will do anything to win.

So yeah adding a bigger prize or money than normal will just bring out more Win At All Costs. Things why people are playing less and less. All this will bring out is more Borg and power builds making it easier to win.

If anything I will see this kill events at the store since people will just stop coming.

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USA

My TO has run some non OP events. We had a "Picard's day off" 100 pt anything goes, but con captains above skill 6. We also had a "TOS" tournament which was 100 pts only ships and cards from Ent-ST6. Both were a lot of fun and we had good players. In fact we had more people for those nights than we did for some OPs.

I think what has brough out the worst in STAW is
1) LE ships
2) early on prize ships were the only way to get certain classes, ie B'Rel, Nebula
3) The Borg make it too damn easy to be a WAAC player.


Now that being said #1 is not as big a deal because since the end of the DW the prizes haven't really had that "must have" card. WK has gotten better about making prize ships that are more fun quarky ships instead wreck house. The Pagh is nice, but it's no Ch'Tang.

#2 is starting to fade now that a retail B'Rel, Nebula, and Marauder have been released. The only prize class that doesn't currently have a retail release scheduled is the Raven and Fed shuttle. I haven't really heard anyone complain on missing out on them.

#3 is still the elephant in the room whenever STAW comes up.

I thinkma lot of side events will come down to the TO. When you put special conditions such as TOS only, no Borg, or faction pure, you genuinely get a better crowd of just plain trek fans which are usually a very friendly bunch. Unrestricted faction mixing OPs tend to draw in WAAC players who also happen to occasionally watchmStar Trek. Watch State of the Federation on YouTube and you'll see exactly what I mean.

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Brighton, MO

I still wanna ban borg here, the risk of playing against them is possibly hurting our possible audience.

I want to institute a house rule of only one ship per fleet with over 4 hull. That way a lot of the smaller ships see play again.

 
   
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USA

I actually think that is a great idea. I do wonder if WK is maybe thinking the same thing or something similar, since they went through the trouble to creat a definition for "capital ship" in the rules card for the Peak Performance card. I'm sure Quark's Treasure and the Delta Flyer will come with the same thing.

It is such a shame that so many ships just aren't really viable with all 6+ hull ships out there.

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@PHS are you a TO? And if not, could you feasibly become one and run your local scene?

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Brighton, MO

I'm not a TO, and I have no clue on how to become one. I actually don't have the disposable income to purchase OP kits for the store. The store is at the point now where they don't want to spend money on something that isn't going to get a lot of people in. :/ Plus, I still have to find and meet these phantom players. lol

EDIT : It also probably doesn't help that Wizkids has blocked me on facebook, lol.

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 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:


Other reasons are people are still not happy. In my area the main reasons players say they aren't coming back ars:

1) Borg
2) Crappie scenarios
3) prize chasing
4) faction mixing

WK has confronted the Borg issue directly but they have been have no new releases announced fighters are making waves but could be just as bad. The three ship limit has been the bigges help to counter them, but not perfect. As for the scenarios that requires a TO with the guts to say "my people don't" like this lets throw it out and still give out the prizes. I will actually give WK some kudos on the prize chasing. Since RiF they have been making prize ships fhat are less must haves and more fun and quirky. They have also retail released a few ships fhat mirrored prizes, so it could be a change or just a fluke.

The places I see having up swings in attendance or steady turnouts are the places that make house rules for what their players want. The places that strictly follow WK suggestions are dwindling. By this I mean places that won't ban things the player base doesn't like or TOs that will only run the WK scenarios. I know it ruffles a lot of feathers but the places that I read about doing great are the ones that have banned borg and play factiln pure, but lots are afraid to do it.


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The casual play is doing fine. Both of my local retailers tell me sales are great, but they can't get people in to play tournaments.


History repeats itself, it seems. Saw much the same thing happen with WK's Mechwarrior and Pirates game (replace Borg with Swordsworn in MW and Americans in Pirates). Mechwarrior died out when they switched to 2.0 rules (which also killed MageKnight) and essentially made all the old stuff unplayable. Similar thing occurred when Pirates "jumped the shark" and started pulling not-Pirates of the Caribbean releases and stealth-released rule changes that made a major strategy (Sack-Captains) obsolete. Big rules updates and power swings seems to be the bane that drowns their games.

I'd be very wary of the next six months, the changes to the Borg rules might create some relief, but I'm sure its turned off a lot of Borg players who just had their instant win button sucked out from under them and may feel like they've now wasted their money.


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Oh, yeah - and I played my first STAW game a week ago (I've owned the stuff since last March), so expect the line to end soon (J/K, but that seems to be my luck when I find something I like - it goes out of print and everyone else is sick of playing it).

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 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
I'm not a TO, and I have no clue on how to become one. I actually don't have the disposable income to purchase OP kits for the store. The store is at the point now where they don't want to spend money on something that isn't going to get a lot of people in. :/ Plus, I still have to find and meet these phantom players. lol

EDIT : It also probably doesn't help that Wizkids has blocked me on facebook, lol.




The kits are fairly cheap normally (~$30) with the slight increase for the ones that contain a grand prize (~$40). I think, don't quote me please, I'm 70% certian of the cost. 2 more people and a $10 entry fee will cover everyones which includes your entry fee to make $30. ~$15 entry fee for grand prize kits.

We have alot of Klingon lovers and I bought a second Matter of Honor pack so everyone would get a Pagh. I believe it was 27 dollars rounded up.

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