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So, I find it very odd that Necrons, known for being one of the toughest races in the galaxy, as well as the oldest and most advanced, aren't as tough as Space Marines. Why is Imotekh not an Eternal Warrior, with 4 wounds? Every other LoW character so far has been, even Ghazkull. So why not Imotekh? Not like he's 60 million years old and made of regenerative metal. Why even make him a LoW if he's just as squishy as the other characters in the codex? Yet, Dante, Logan, Draigo, and even Ghazkull are tougher than him. I'm not necessarily ranting, though I admit I despise space marines, but I'm just curious as to why this is. He doesn't feel like he deserves that title.

Well, Necrons aren't really notorious for being excessively durable, strong, or tanky- they regenerate. IMO A beefed up version of IWND would suit him better.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Well, Necrons aren't really notorious for being excessively durable, strong, or tanky- they regenerate. IMO A beefed up version of IWND would suit him better.

Yeppers.

They aren't as big as Marines either, are they? I mean, they've always seemed of superhuman size just like Marines, but not that big.

It's just one of the weird things that GW has going on right now putting IC into the LoW slot. Ghazghkull, like you mentioned, also doesn't seem to really fit into the LoW slot either and I think it's one of the ways they're trying to do in facilitating players' acceptance of the LoW slot. This is largely to due with it being associated with Super-Heavies which has the stigma of being Apoc-only.

 Grimskul wrote:
It's just one of the weird things that GW has going on right now putting IC into the LoW slot. Ghazghkull, like you mentioned, also doesn't seem to really fit into the LoW slot either and I think it's one of the ways they're trying to do in facilitating players' acceptance of the LoW slot. This is largely to due with it being associated with Super-Heavies which has the stigma of being Apoc-only.

Well, I'm okay with LoW characters as it's kind of a status symbol, but Imotekh just seems so...not deserving of that title. At least rules wise, anyway.


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 Ashiraya wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Well, Necrons aren't really notorious for being excessively durable, strong, or tanky- they regenerate. IMO A beefed up version of IWND would suit him better.

Yeppers.

They aren't as big as Marines either, are they? I mean, they've always seemed of superhuman size just like Marines, but not that big.

Well, they are T5. So, even if they're not quite as big, they are obviously tougher.

He needs a close combat weapon (Unless this has been FAQ'd), Eternal Warrior, and maybe a command buff - unless his once-off lightning and night fighting is supposed to equal everyone else's special snowflake bonuses. His unique SoL just doesn't cut it.

Given, the lightning is pretty potent against horde armies with low Sv values.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
It's just one of the weird things that GW has going on right now putting IC into the LoW slot. Ghazghkull, like you mentioned, also doesn't seem to really fit into the LoW slot either and I think it's one of the ways they're trying to do in facilitating players' acceptance of the LoW slot. This is largely to due with it being associated with Super-Heavies which has the stigma of being Apoc-only.

Well, I'm okay with LoW characters as it's kind of a status symbol, but Imotekh just seems so...not deserving of that title. At least rules wise, anyway.


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 Ashiraya wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Well, Necrons aren't really notorious for being excessively durable, strong, or tanky- they regenerate. IMO A beefed up version of IWND would suit him better.

Yeppers.

They aren't as big as Marines either, are they? I mean, they've always seemed of superhuman size just like Marines, but not that big.

Well, they are T5. So, even if they're not quite as big, they are obviously tougher.

Yeah, I dunno. Rules-wise they still haven't figured out how to make proper Lords of War yet for xenos factions. I mean Zandrehk has better force multiplier abilities befitting a Lord of War! Same thing for Ghazghkull, the only thing he has is EW. The Lucky Stikk Warboss beats him out on everything else.

I think the codex writers just needed to meet that quota and couldn't figure out how to reflect Imotehk's strategic genius and his lightning specialty.

They should have made the Staff of the Destroyer have a Melee component like a Rod of the Covenant so it would be S: User AP2. Given him E.W. and then have his lightning ability happen for D3 turns.

Gabriel Seth in the BA dex is also a LOW and is missing EW and even lacks a 2+ save! No real buffs for the force either...

His previous incarnation certainly was deserving of such status, and was very not fun to play against. That said, since his update, he really does need a CC weapon of some sort to feel "right".

However, I don't think there's anything wrong with T5 2+/4++/RP & IWND can be considered anything but an exceedingly hardy model, and for his points cost, he's not all that bad as a "Leader" HQ, he still gives you a whole grip of excellent special rules.

What was so powerful about old Imotekh?

 Ashiraya wrote:
What was so powerful about old Imotekh?

IIRC, the lightning could last multiple turns, was a higher strength, had unlimited range, and hit the side armor on vehicles. Now it lasts one turn, has a range (although 48" will usually be enough to hit everything on a 4'x6' table), is lower strength, and doesn't hit side armor. And, the Gauntlet of Fire is no longer a close combat weapon, so Imotekh only has his basic punch attack. Baddest of dudes in the Necron army, and he carries no special CC weapon.

Wait, you mean that big staff of his is not a CCW?

Odd, I always thought it was, and I actually have the 5th ed Cron dex! Shows how much I remember.

Ashiraya wrote:What was so powerful about old Imotekh?

Basically his ability could hit *anything* on the board (regardless of range or even if Imotek was on the board), and hit at S8 instead of S6, hit vehicles on side armor (also had AP5 instead of "-"), and continued as long as the game had Night Fight (which, as long as he was on the board could be attempted by rolling a D6 and on any result higher than the current turn number kept it Night Fight). He also had a 3++ instead of a 4++, and seized the initiative on a 4+ (except against Orks).

Ashiraya wrote:Wait, you mean that big staff of his is not a CCW?

Odd, I always thought it was, and I actually have the 5th ed Cron dex! Shows how much I remember.

Yeah, that staff is a ranged weapon. In CC he hits like a normal putz.

Overall I don't think he's bad for what he costs were he a normal HQ, but for taking a Lord of War slot I'd at least give him a power weapon if nothing else.

 Vaktathi wrote:
His previous incarnation certainly was deserving of such status, and was very not fun to play against. That said, since his update, he really does need a CC weapon of some sort to feel "right".

However, I don't think there's anything wrong with T5 2+/4++/RP & IWND can be considered anything but an exceedingly hardy model, and for his points cost, he's not all that bad as a "Leader" HQ, he still gives you a whole grip of excellent special rules.

I agree with this. He definitely isn't bad. If anything, I love what they did with the Staff of the Destroyer, as it was a gimmick on the previous codex. And he is still arguably harder to kill with small arms fire. Dante or Draigo can't brag about T5, 4+ FNP and IWND. But, the lack of a CC weapon really does confuse me. I wish the Gauntlet could still be used for what it used to do.


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 Grimskul wrote:


They should have made the Staff of the Destroyer have a Melee component like a Rod of the Covenant so it would be S: User AP2. Given him E.W. and then have his lightning ability happen for D3 turns.

Thats actually an excellent idea, and would fit his status even more. Though I think that comes down to the fact that Staffs of Light aren't CC weapons anymore, as they used to be in the 3rd edition book. And thats really all the SoD is now, is a roided up Staff of Light.