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2015/04/04 07:21:03
Subject: 32mm bases, so does that mean basic Space Marines are going to get bigger? Rumor from Adepticon
Update,
I am asking for confirmation about a rumor going around Adepticon that the space marines models would get bigger.
Not about how big a life size space marine is or 25 vs 32mm bases.
That is why I published in the Rumors section, however the Mods moved it here, and it is very quickly going off topic.
Was wondering about this as the space marine models are not as big as they should be, ie: 8 ft tall. They are hardly taller than a guardsman. The move to 32mm would allow GW to correct this and start making bigger marines.
Any one heard anything?
Cheers,
V,
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2015/04/04 07:23:56
Subject: 32mm bases, so does that mean basic Space Marines are going to get bigger?
I just spent £30 to rebase all my PA marines, it's going to take a while, but from what I've done so far, I love the change. The models look bigger, more imposing, they just look better imo.
2015/04/04 10:57:11
Subject: Re:32mm bases, so does that mean basic Space Marines are going to get bigger?
vic wrote: Never noticed the 1ft left of the bottom of Jess's lifesize drawing before, I am guessing he's indicating that it would be 8ft including the base.
LOL. Good catch
That would actually make him pretty short, since the boot no doubt adds height and 8ft is to the top of the helmet, not the head.
But, anyhow: who said every space marine has to be the same height... maybe there are 6' tall space marines and 9' tall ones You know, some that hogged all the cheerios when they were baby space marines.
2015/04/04 19:00:26
Subject: Re:32mm bases, so does that mean basic Space Marines are going to get bigger?
Didn't we have multiple threads on this in every sub forum related to 40k in the weeks leading up to the blood angel release? How many 25mm vs 32mm base threads do we really need?
2015/04/05 01:01:54
Subject: 32mm bases, so does that mean basic Space Marines are going to get bigger? Rumor heard at Adepticon
Toofast wrote: Didn't we have multiple threads on this in every sub forum related to 40k in the weeks leading up to the blood angel release? How many 25mm vs 32mm base threads do we really need?
I am asking for confirmation about a rumor going around Adepticon that the space marines models would get bigger.
Not about how big a life size space marine is or 25 vs 32mm bases.
That is why I published in the Rumors section, however the Mods moved it here, and it is very quickly going off topic.
2015/04/05 04:22:22
Subject: 32mm bases, so does that mean basic Space Marines are going to get bigger? Rumor from Adepticon
In that case, no. I haven't heard a single rumor about them re sculpting literally hundreds of sprues, which would cost into the tens of millions of dollars, to make space marines bigger. Not to mention the fact that there's hundreds of space marine kits sitting on shelves and in warehouses right now that would be devalued the minute they released true scale space marines. This rumor makes no sense for many, many reasons which is probably why not a single credible source has posted a rumor like this anywhere on the Internet that I'm aware of. If some guy at a tournament told you they were changing bikes to "my little pony" models, would you believe it? That's about as plausible as GW doing a complete re sculpt of by far their biggest line when a) it's already their best seller by far and b) there are still countless kits in finecast that need to be switched over to plastic
2015/04/05 04:49:57
Subject: 32mm bases, so does that mean basic Space Marines are going to get bigger? Rumor from Adepticon
Toofast wrote: In that case, no. I haven't heard a single rumor about them re sculpting literally hundreds of sprues, which would cost into the tens of millions of dollars, to make space marines bigger. Not to mention the fact that there's hundreds of space marine kits sitting on shelves and in warehouses right now that would be devalued the minute they released true scale space marines. This rumor makes no sense for many, many reasons which is probably why not a single credible source has posted a rumor like this anywhere on the Internet that I'm aware of. If some guy at a tournament told you they were changing bikes to "my little pony" models, would you believe it? That's about as plausible as GW doing a complete re sculpt of by far their biggest line when a) it's already their best seller by far and b) there are still countless kits in finecast that need to be switched over to plastic
Whoah, slow down captain hyperbole. There wouldn't be that many kits to replace, or cost that much to replace them. Having said that, I haven't heard any rumours of this and am inclined to dismiss it as a baseless rumour. GW has done the 'now you must rebase your models' trick before, no reason to expect anything more than that.
2015/04/05 05:31:32
Subject: Re:32mm bases, so does that mean basic Space Marines are going to get bigger? Rumor from Adepticon
No, you can dismiss it as a baseless rumor because 1. If they were going to make bigger marines, then the ba tacticals with the larger bases would be noticeably larger than other marines, and 2. The design team has told people they only put them on bigger bases because they looked better, nothing more, nothing less.
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2015/04/05 18:15:02
Subject: 32mm bases, so does that mean basic Space Marines are going to get bigger?
Toofast wrote: In that case, no. I haven't heard a single rumor about them re sculpting literally hundreds of sprues, which would cost into the tens of millions of dollars, to make space marines bigger. Not to mention the fact that there's hundreds of space marine kits sitting on shelves and in warehouses right now that would be devalued the minute they released true scale space marines. This rumor makes no sense for many, many reasons which is probably why not a single credible source has posted a rumor like this anywhere on the Internet that I'm aware of. If some guy at a tournament told you they were changing bikes to "my little pony" models, would you believe it? That's about as plausible as GW doing a complete re sculpt of by far their biggest line when a) it's already their best seller by far and b) there are still countless kits in finecast that need to be switched over to plastic
Whoah, slow down captain hyperbole. There wouldn't be that many kits to replace, or cost that much to replace them. Having said that, I haven't heard any rumours of this and am inclined to dismiss it as a baseless rumour. GW has done the 'now you must rebase your models' trick before, no reason to expect anything more than that.
There wouldn't be that many kits to replace? Let me do a quick check of the GW Web page to get an accurate count so I'm not accused of exaggeration or hyperbole.
1. Reclusiam command squad
2. Calgar and honor guard
3. Veteran squads
4. Black templars sword brethren
5. Chaplain Grimaldus and retinue
6. Tech marine and servitors
7. Legion of the damned squad
8. Tac squad
9. Vanguard vets
10. Devastators
11. Command squad
12. Assault squad
13. Damned legionnaires
14. Masters of the chapter
15. Armor through the ages
16. Tyrannic war vets
17. Captain
18. Librarian
19. Master of relics
20. Master of marches
21. Lord executioner
22. Master of rites
23. Commander
24. Vulcan
25. Helbrecht
26. Pedro cantor
27. Cassius
28. Khan
29. Shrine
30. Chronus
31. Tigurius
32. Sicarius
33. Jump pack Chaplain
34. BT emperors champion
35. Librarian w axe and pistol
36. Chaplain w skull helmet
37. Chaplain w power fist
38. Techmarine w power axe
39. Blood Angels tac squad
40. Sanguinary guard
41. Death company
42. Sanguinary priest
43. Corbulo
44. Tycho
45. Dante
46. Mephiston
47. Dark angel vets
48. Belial
49. DA banner bearer
50. Azrael
51. DA company master
52. Asmodai
53. Ezekiel
54. Cypher
55. Generic SW box
56. Long fangs
57. Sky claws
58. GH with standard
59. Lukas
60. Ragnar
61. Iron priest
62. Rune priest
63. Ulrik
64. Njal
65. WG battle leader
66. GK strike squad
67. Castellan Crowe
Ok, we're at 67 kits and I still haven't included the bike kits with guys in power armor. That puts us close to 100 kits that need to be redone because after all, we can't have 1 chapter with space marines of a totally different scale. Then the terminators would look too small next to guys in regular power armor, so add another 5 boxed kits and 20 characters in TDA that need to be redone. It wouldn't cost that much? Do you have any clue how much it costs to make a master mold to do multi part plastic models? Why do you think newer companies (even privateer press until recently) do models in metal/resin? Because making multi part plastic sprues is TOO EXPENSIVE.
2015/04/06 09:31:25
Subject: Re:32mm bases, so does that mean basic Space Marines are going to get bigger?
Please, note the scale start with 1' for some reason.
So he's 7 foot, not 8. Which is also the size given in the Deathwatch Corebook and the GW competition.
I know BL novel describe them as really big, but as you said, no definite answer.
I wasn't trying to argue that a SM is 8' tall. I apologize if it sounded like that. As you noticed I addressed the "no definite answer" part of your post......so I don't really know why you would focus on something other than that.
Also......please, don't think I agree with your simplistic semantics. You might not feel like you have a definite answer, while some of us think having the frigging head designer of the Space Marines models telling us exactly how tall he thinks a Space Marine is......is quite definite enough.
My point is.....we do have a definite answer (with the natural variation of biological organisms, of course).
EDIT. Please read to the end. I have changed my stance.
Hanskrampf wrote: Don't know why all people are going on about 8 feet tall SMs. There is no definite answer how tall a SM is.
Spoiler:
Definite answer....? No, of course not.
Strongly indicative answer? Yes.
Please, note the scale start with 1' for some reason.
...
sup son
I don't really care about whether a SM is 7' or 8' tall.
I attempted (rather clumsily, it seems) to address the statement that "no definite answer exists", and it has become clear to me that indeed no definite answer exist any more.
Jes says one thing, BL says another and Andy Hoare apparently also chimes in.
I stand corrected. There is no longer a definite answer.
.....
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I kind of have a feeling that marines will all be getting the new bases as it wouldn't make sense for 2 squads out of the entire game have different ones.
But I don't like it. I wish they just remained what they are now.
Having built marines in charging poses on 25mm I can say this might help a lot.
Plus some just look so small on 25mm they hang over edges
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2015/04/07 04:38:54
Subject: 32mm bases, so does that mean basic Space Marines are going to get bigger? Rumor from Adepticon
Ok, we're at 67 kits and I still haven't included the bike kits with guys in power armor. That puts us close to 100 kits that need to be redone because after all, we can't have 1 chapter with space marines of a totally different scale. Then the terminators would look too small next to guys in regular power armor, so add another 5 boxed kits and 20 characters in TDA that need to be redone. It wouldn't cost that much? Do you have any clue how much it costs to make a master mold to do multi part plastic models? Why do you think newer companies (even privateer press until recently) do models in metal/resin? Because making multi part plastic sprues is TOO EXPENSIVE.
A big list of kits, most of which are comprised of a single large sprue that gets divided into smaller sprues for packaging. Thats closer to 50 kits than it is 100, but lets be generous and say each kit contains 2x individual sprues, thats 134 sprues needed. It clears the hundred mark, but falls well short of the 200 needed to describe it as hundreds. They'd have to replace hundred of sprue, not hundreds.
As for the cost of making sprues, privateer and the like have to pay other companies to make them, they don't have all the equipment needed to tool them themselves. That's where it gets expensive. GW has all that equipment, at which point their biggest cost becomes the steel and the time needed to mill each mold. Lets be generous again and say it will cost them $10k to create each sprue. 134 * 10,000 = 1,340,000. Rounding up to 1.5 million, far short of the hyperbole and well within their profit margin.
I doubt that gw would bother with truescale marines, but it's not that impossible or expensive a task for them. Meanwhile, having seen a photo of a new eldar harlequin, i wonder if that's the source of this rumour? Given the harlys seem to be noticably bigger than other eldar-sized infantry.
2015/04/07 06:17:12
Subject: 32mm bases, so does that mean basic Space Marines are going to get bigger? Rumor from Adepticon
I kinda have a feeling the Adepticon talk was originally about the bases and not the marine models and someone at some point misunderstood and it went on from there.
I honestly don't see GW changing the whole range especially since the players of their best selling army, the Space Marines, would most likely be quite pissed aside from the few exceptions. I certainly wouldn't like having marines of "wrong" scale suddenly. Which they in essence are now aswell, yes, but I'm sure you get what I mean.
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Ok, we're at 67 kits and I still haven't included the bike kits with guys in power armor. That puts us close to 100 kits that need to be redone because after all, we can't have 1 chapter with space marines of a totally different scale. Then the terminators would look too small next to guys in regular power armor, so add another 5 boxed kits and 20 characters in TDA that need to be redone. It wouldn't cost that much? Do you have any clue how much it costs to make a master mold to do multi part plastic models? Why do you think newer companies (even privateer press until recently) do models in metal/resin? Because making multi part plastic sprues is TOO EXPENSIVE.
A big list of kits, most of which are comprised of a single large sprue that gets divided into smaller sprues for packaging. Thats closer to 50 kits than it is 100, but lets be generous and say each kit contains 2x individual sprues, thats 134 sprues needed. It clears the hundred mark, but falls well short of the 200 needed to describe it as hundreds. They'd have to replace hundred of sprue, not hundreds.
As for the cost of making sprues, privateer and the like have to pay other companies to make them, they don't have all the equipment needed to tool them themselves. That's where it gets expensive. GW has all that equipment, at which point their biggest cost becomes the steel and the time needed to mill each mold. Lets be generous again and say it will cost them $10k to create each sprue. 134 * 10,000 = 1,340,000. Rounding up to 1.5 million, far short of the hyperbole and well within their profit margin.
I doubt that gw would bother with truescale marines, but it's not that impossible or expensive a task for them. Meanwhile, having seen a photo of a new eldar harlequin, i wonder if that's the source of this rumour? Given the harlys seem to be noticably bigger than other eldar-sized infantry.
From people I've talked to that actually work in the industry, some for GW, $10,000 is WAY on the low end to make a master mold. Then you have to pay people to sculpt the new stuff. Then you have to pay people to paint them for the pretty pictures on the Web site and boxes. Then you have to lose a feth ton of money because you have thousands of smaller scale marine kits out there that aren't going to sell once you release everything in true scale. It would cost GW 4-5x what they made in profit last year to do something of this nature. Space marines have been around for almost 30 years without changing very much in scale. Why would GW spend all that money and take all that risk when they don't even know how much extra profit it will get them? Here's a better idea, they leave the kits how they are, drop a new SM codex for $60, a couple new supplements for $50 each and a paint guide for $30-40. They spend a fraction of the cost and expend a fraction of the effort, every space marine player goes out and spends $60-200 on the books at a very high profit margin, and GW wins all the way around at very low risk to the company. Considering they're a company with declining revenue, profit and market share, this is probably the much more sensible solution. Like I said before, the rumor of the scale of space marines changing is absolutely preposterous for a whole bunch of reasons. It sounds like something I would've read from BoLS' least credible rumor monger on April fools day.
2015/04/08 13:44:56
Subject: 32mm bases, so does that mean basic Space Marines are going to get bigger? Rumor from Adepticon
Well, there's a "life-size" Space Wolf in powered armor built by GW at a local store back home, and it's at least 7 feet tall if not 8. Regardless, it's widely accepted and supported in every piece of fluff that I've read, that a Space Marine is considerably larger than a normal human.
How this relates to bases: Back in the day, everything was on a 25mm base - an Imperial Guardsman, a Space Marine in powered armor, or a Terminator. Consequently, we got the tiny little metal Terminators in the early 90s, which are clearly of ridiculous proportions. Try putting a modern Terminator model on a 25mm base - it just won't fit.
But a 32mm base makes sense for powered armor. The base is about 30% larger than the base for a normal human, which fits the increased scale for powered armor. And it's about 80% the size of a 40mm base, which scales it well against Terminator armor.
This doesn't mean they're going to make bigger Marines, it just means that they're finally scaling powered armor onto the properly sized base for it.
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