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 Kosake wrote:

 Bottle wrote:

 Vermis wrote:
So basically, the models will be on a mad mix of bases that makes movement and other game resolutions more awkward, but there are people who don't care because their models will look sooo pwetty, and it'll give them more opportunities to throw altogether too much money at GW for gratuitous nick-nacks?

That's me. I can't wait for GW to release packs of the oval bases so I can buy them and rebase all my cavalry!

Why not just cut any form you want from thick plastic sheet, lasercut 3mm MDF, make silicon moulds and cast your own bases in epoxy, PU or god-damn candlewax...?

I feel our GW overlords would disapprove of this deviancy.

 Kosake wrote:

 Bottle wrote:

 Vermis wrote:
So basically, the models will be on a mad mix of bases that makes movement and other game resolutions more awkward, but there are people who don't care because their models will look sooo pwetty, and it'll give them more opportunities to throw altogether too much money at GW for gratuitous nick-nacks?

That's me. I can't wait for GW to release packs of the oval bases so I can buy them and rebase all my cavalry!

Why not just cut any form you want from thick plastic sheet, lasercut 3mm MDF, make silicon moulds and cast your own bases in epoxy, PU or god-damn candlewax...?

Yeah, that seems easier

So do we have any estimated date besides "Summer"? I'm debating on either getting into Warhammer 9th edition or just getting back into Warmachine/Hordes. It would be nice to start with a new system, but I have no idea what 9th Edition will be like. The only thing I know for sure about 9th edition is that I will probably like most of the models.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
KOW has a nice, simple, quick rule set, yes.

With about the replay depth of checkers, in my opinion.

Obviously others disagree.

8th edition fantasy has even less replay depth

You disagree with me, I disagree with you. That's the fun thing about opinions. Everyone has one, and often they are quite different.

I do not enjoy KOW very much. I vastly prefer WFB. Hordes steadfasting for ages are boring, yes.

But there are ways around that, IF you know how.

 Vulcan wrote:


I do not enjoy KOW very much. I vastly prefer WFB. Hordes steadfasting for ages are boring, yes.

But there are ways around that, IF you know how.

My way around it was to play something else.

 Vulcan wrote:

I do not enjoy KOW very much. I vastly prefer WFB. Hordes steadfasting for ages are boring, yes.

But there are ways around that, IF you know how.

And there are hidden depths to abstract, streamlined, seemingly-shallow games, IF you know what to look for, and give it a better chance, beyond letting your listbuilt armies line up and smash together.

 Vulcan wrote:

You disagree with me, I disagree with you. That's the fun thing about opinions. Everyone has one, and often they are quite different.

I do not enjoy KOW very much. I vastly prefer WFB. Hordes steadfasting for ages are boring, yes.

But there are ways around that, IF you know how.

Always love seeing the "learn to play" thrown around in a discussion. Nevermind the company fixing the rules, it's obviously the players' fault.


On topic: As to when 9th will be released. I expect to see it about the same time as when 40K was released last year so that GW can attempt to receive a bump in revenue before reporting financials in July.

 agnosto wrote:
On topic: As to when 9th will be released. I expect to see it about the same time as when 40K was released last year so that GW can attempt to receive a bump in revenue before reporting financials in July.

Well, they have 11 days before the financial year is over, so I rather doubt that.

 Thud wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
On topic: As to when 9th will be released. I expect to see it about the same time as when 40K was released last year so that GW can attempt to receive a bump in revenue before reporting financials in July.

Well, they have 11 days before the financial year is over, so I rather doubt that.

You're right, their FY ends June 1; somehow got it mixed up with when my FY ends, thanks.

Don't know why people are taking cheap shots at someone for saying they prefer WHFB to other systems. Whatever

 Bottle wrote:
Don't know why people are taking cheap shots at someone for saying they prefer WHFB to other systems. Whatever

I didn't see anyone taking cheap shots at WHFB fans, I think it was the remark "But there are ways around that, IF you know how," which is equivalent to "L2P noob," that doesn't help that argument for why WHFB would be better than KoW.

 Accolade wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
Don't know why people are taking cheap shots at someone for saying they prefer WHFB to other systems. Whatever

I didn't see anyone taking cheap shots at WHFB fans, I think it was the remark "But there are ways around that, IF you know how," which is equivalent to "L2P noob," that doesn't help that argument for why WHFB would be better than KoW.

He made it pretty clear it was just his opinion. It's not really a "L2P" line as he was just stating that hordes don't bother him. Still seems to me like a number of other users couldn't resist to roll more dirt of WHFB.

Anyway, I don't want to derail the thread. I'm getting very excited for 9th now. I hope it's going to be really fun! I'm looking forward to embracing all the changes :-)

Round bases would make a daemon army even easier to play both 40k and fantasy. I'm excited if they do that change.

Herzlos wrote:

Mort wrote:
If they do make a move to round bases, is it possible that -both- round and square would be acceptable for casual play, and GW will just start selling all their models with round bases from that point on?

I mean, would a company like GW really expect people to completely rebase hundreds of figures to make the switch to round?

Oh, wait...

Why rebase when you can buy new ones?

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, so I'll answer.

Rebasing from square to round bases would cost me $ - the cost of a few hundred round bases. Then it would cost me time to do it all.

But buying new models would cost me -significantly- more money, not to mention significantly more time to repaint, which doesn't make sense given that my figs are already painted, and perfectly usable for years to come.

I think we can all agree that no one is going to force you to rebase all your models. As daft as GW has been lately, they aren't that daft.

I won't be rebasing much of anything.

If it's a small scale skirmish system, i'll do some models for that system. Or as someone said, use demons so the work isn't wasted.

I just don't trust GW that much anymore. I'd get a large WFB army rebased about the time they put out the real rules for 9th with square bases.

If your image of WFB is putting two netlists on the table and charging straight ahead and faceplanting into the other army... yeah, you need to learn how to play, noob.

WFB allows a vast array of tactical maneuvering that delivers rewards KoW just does not... in my opinion. Deployment offers vast tactical opportunities, never mind the actual movement phase.

 Ozymandias wrote:
I think we can all agree that no one is going to force you to rebase all your models. As daft as GW has been lately, they aren't that daft.

I'm actually interested in seeing what this new release is all about (even though I've been out of WFB since one year into 7th ed) but I wouldn't put anything past GW.


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 Vulcan wrote:
If your image of WFB is putting two netlists on the table and charging straight ahead and faceplanting into the other army... yeah, you need to learn how to play, noob.

WFB allows a vast array of tactical maneuvering that delivers rewards KoW just does not... in my opinion. Deployment offers vast tactical opportunities, never mind the actual movement phase.

I've been playing KoW since it came out and also played WFB 6th ed and 7th ed (for only one year for the latter).
I liked KoW more until recently. Their unbalanced lists (Basileans in particular) and introducing a new edition three years after the last one launched convinced me it's headed down the WFB road.

 Vulcan wrote:
If your image of WFB is putting two netlists on the table and charging straight ahead and faceplanting into the other army... yeah, you need to learn how to play, noob.

WFB allows a vast array of tactical maneuvering that delivers rewards KoW just does not... in my opinion. Deployment offers vast tactical opportunities, never mind the actual movement phase.

- I rolled double 6's on my charge range! I'm such a great tactician!

- I rolled under my leadership to ignore your march blocking unit! Man, such tactics!

Poke a bit of honest fun at a game system, as long as it is on topic and isn't intended to insult anyone, sure. Laugh like that in a clearly mocking manner, not so sure. And by not so sure I mean no. motyak

privateer4hire wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
If your image of WFB is putting two netlists on the table and charging straight ahead and faceplanting into the other army... yeah, you need to learn how to play, noob.

WFB allows a vast array of tactical maneuvering that delivers rewards KoW just does not... in my opinion. Deployment offers vast tactical opportunities, never mind the actual movement phase.

I've been playing KoW since it came out and also played WFB 6th ed and 7th ed (for only one year for the latter).
I liked KoW more until recently. Their unbalanced lists (Basileans in particular) and introducing a new edition three years after the last one launched convinced me it's headed down the WFB road.

However, that new edition is a) free on release, and b) made expressly for the purpose of fixing those balance issues, rather then letting it fester for a few more years. It's a far cry from the GW method of 'updating'just to sell you more books and new models.

privateer4hire wrote:

 Ozymandias wrote:
I think we can all agree that no one is going to force you to rebase all your models. As daft as GW has been lately, they aren't that daft.

I'm actually interested in seeing what this new release is all about (even though I've been out of WFB since one year into 7th ed) but I wouldn't put anything past GW.

Rumor mill is new movement trays that will allow for round bases.

But look at 40k -- the book says something like, use the base that came with the model or a custom modelled base, or any base you want that's an appropriate size I suspect it will be something like that.

Frankly, my preference for bases between square, oval, round beveled and round lipped is hands down is round beveled. There's just no comparison. in versatility from a modelling perspective and it makes facing, when building the model, so much easier (yeah, it makes facing, when playing the game, potentially harder).

 Vulcan wrote:
If your image of WFB is putting two netlists on the table and charging straight ahead and faceplanting into the other army... yeah, you need to learn how to play, noob.

WFB allows a vast array of tactical maneuvering that delivers rewards KoW just does not... in my opinion. Deployment offers vast tactical opportunities, never mind the actual movement phase.

Then you would probably love historical wargaming since you have to use actual tactics vs anything that GW puts out. Random rolls (on charts or not) does not = tactical depth but to each his own, if you think you're the greatest general in the world for figuring out how to overcome stubborn units, more power to you. Personally, I'd prefer a tight rules system that prevents the abuse of USRs but hey, I'm crazy like that.

PhantomViper wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
If your image of WFB is putting two netlists on the table and charging straight ahead and faceplanting into the other army... yeah, you need to learn how to play, noob.

WFB allows a vast array of tactical maneuvering that delivers rewards KoW just does not... in my opinion. Deployment offers vast tactical opportunities, never mind the actual movement phase.

- I rolled double 6's on my charge range! I'm such a great tactician!

- I rolled under my leadership to ignore your march blocking unit! Man, such tactics!

Poke a bit of honest fun at a game system, as long as it is on topic and isn't intended to insult anyone, sure. Laugh like that in a clearly mocking manner, not so sure. And by not so sure I mean no. motyak

Warhammer USED to reward superior tactics in the movement phase. 8E largely stuck a fork in tactics with things like hordes, steadfast, random charges, and the ability to ignore march-blocking. The game too heavily favors giant blocks of troops that you can't break.

Guys, please take your arguments about KOW vs warhammer to another thread or to PMs. It is neither news nor rumours.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
The game too heavily favors giant blocks of troops that you can't break.

Ehhhhhhh I disagree. Warhammer is a game of counters (less tokens, more Rock-Paper-Scissors), and at this late stage in the edition there are so many things that prey on infantry - from unit killer spells, to thunder stomps, to templates, to their general slowness, to being wiped out with a bad LD test - that outside of a few armies (Skaven, O&G, Dwarfs-ish, High Elves-ish) you don't really see massed infantry, beyond 1-2 extremely juicy units, often buffed up by magic or the couple armies that enjoy synergistic relations with heroes (Empire). Late 8E meta is very much Monstrous Cav, tough and/or undercosted Monsters, cannons, flying characters, spammed fast/shooty chaff, wizards relying on #6 uber-spells (often cast irresistibly when possible), deathstars (often Cavalry or Monstrous Infantry loaded with characters, generally stubborn or unbreakable), and cannons. Frankly not much Infantry in the mix.

It's worth noting in passing that I've spent almost the entirety of 8E playing in restricted events, or playing games featuring armies designed for said events. We learned a very long time ago that Unrestricted Warhammer, especially with Candyland Terrain, was a colossal waste of time

- Salvage

 agnosto wrote:
On topic: As to when 9th will be released. I expect to see it about the same time as when 40K was released last year so that GW can attempt to receive a bump in revenue before reporting financials in July.

That release would be this weekend so that's not happening. They dropped 7th edition this time last year (as in you could grab the rulebook off the shelf, for the first time, memorial weekend last year), along with the poster campaign build up. We haven't seen any sort of promotional anything for 9th edition fantasy.

Time to weigh in with an inside source:

9th edition will have a bigger official lead time than we're used to.
Round bases were a personal project in the white dwarf issue: I'm considering the idea that I was lied to about this, with all the new lizards on round bases, but it's what I was told.
9th will NOT invalidate anyone's models. Everything will stay useable. Lizard players can breathe a sigh of relief.

I've shared this info with pretre already, some time ago, and I'm putting it or now. It's all I got, I know it's not a lot, but I wanted to help where I could. Source stays silent, i can't get more info in the future if he gets canned, now can I? Lol. Not a red shirt though.

Well, no model is ever truly "invalidated," it can always be run as something similar (and with WHFB, I think that might be relatively easy). The real question will be what manner of WHFB inventory remains available, or if we're going to see culling of everything FineCast or otherwise deemed not worth the production effort.

Round bases are better for almost all purposes anyway than square. You just need to make your own movement trays. Take demons for example, you should always base demons using round bases so you can use them in 40k.

Round bases allow for easier ranking as well. Should have gotten rid of round bases a long time ago and simply switch to WOTR style movement trays.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

9th will NOT invalidate anyone's models. Everything will stay useable.

What is your source's definition of invalidating someone's models?

Is Asdrubael Vect an invalidated model from that definition, for example?