Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Replaced? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan

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**Wulfmar**

Not seen this on the forum - someone posted this to my Facebook...

GW does an interview about AoS and the planning that went into making it

http://captiongenerator.com/48861/Age-of-Sigmar-interview

I almost died laughing

**filbert**

Mick A wrote:
Well AoS has got me back into fantasy, I haven't played since 6th edition...

Ironically, AoS has rekindled my interest in Fantasy, albeit for 6th Ed - I bought all the army books off Amazon....

**timetowaste85**

This...this is what we've all been waiting for. Sweet!!

Doesn't lady..whatever have a perfect record so far? I'm quite happy to see these rules.

**pretre**

timetowaste85 wrote:
This...this is what we've all been waiting for. Sweet!!

Doesn't lady..whatever have a perfect record so far? I'm quite happy to see these rules.

Atia has a perfect rumor record and that doesn't even count her large number of pic leaks.

**Hulksmash**

Those rules that Pretre put up seem solid for competitive play and make a few key changes to how the game plays and pulls back on the power level for shooting and summoning. I think they would be worth trying out.

**Albino Squirrel**

pretre wrote:

terrainguy, on 10 Jul 2015 - 2:17 PM, said:
Apparently, these are on their way here soon.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3iUmocmCYCUWFRzcWdQTGcxS0U/view

Found them courtesy of https://twitter.com/Lady_Atia

So far, she's only posted pics of actual upcoming stuff, so I imagine these are legit.

It says right on there that they are unofficial. They were made by a store that is running a tournament.

**pretre**

Albino Squirrel wrote:
pretre wrote:

terrainguy, on 10 Jul 2015 - 2:17 PM, said:
Apparently, these are on their way here soon.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3iUmocmCYCUWFRzcWdQTGcxS0U/view

Found them courtesy of https://twitter.com/Lady_Atia

So far, she's only posted pics of actual upcoming stuff, so I imagine these are legit.

It says right on there that they are unofficial. They were made by a store that is running a tournament.

Yeah, from Lady Atia:
""unofficial" rules for a tournament, by GW (Toronto, Young and Lawrence)" https://t.co/tLHbRa0hXS

**streetsamurai**

migooo wrote:
I think that people are going to be in two minds about some of the kits that are coming

Some armies are going to have radical changes to aesthetic and I've now seen figures for two of them.But I can say I've not seen any big kits.

Again I'm not sure why I was shown. I've not worked with GW for ages.

Interesting

Can you tell us more ?

**pretre**

Apologies for getting hopes up.

**Motograter**

I now see they are unofficial. My eyes missed that. Some stores I imagine will set up their own system to counter the ? AoS raises though as long as you can have fun either way

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

I honestly would have preferred that they brought back Mordheim as a skirmish gateway and bridging game for Warhammer Fantasy.

And I've never played Warhammer or Mordheim, just what I read in white dwarf (battle reports, fluff, tale of x gamers, tale of x painters, conversions and terrain modelling etc).

**pretre**

Motograter wrote:
I now see they are unofficial. My eyes missed that. Some stores I imagine will set up their own system to counter the ? AoS raises though as long as you can have fun either way

I mean, they are from GW... Just not Nottingham.

**Nocturnus**

pretre wrote:
kronk wrote:
Nocturnus wrote:
pretre wrote:
From someone who visited a local store:

So I spent a while at the GW Portland store yesterday. And I learned some interesting things:

1. This week was the largest grossing week in GW North American history.

Standard store disclaimer.

Sorry but I call BS in terms of the volume of sales.

Yeah... My BS detector pegged out at 11 on that one.

Hence the reason I said 'standard store disclaimer'.

Sorry, I wasn't questioning your honesty. GW is not above hyping(lying) up numbers to sound better than they are.

**pretre**

Nocturnus wrote:
Sorry, I wasn't questioning your honesty. GW is not above hyping(lying) up numbers to sound better than they are.

It's a dude in a store; he's about as much GW as anyone on here.

**TwilightSparkles**

I think the idea of at least a blister a week is legit, think about it, what better way to counter internet discounters ? Average blister price is £15-20 , assuming max discount of 20%, thats £4 at best, then at least 2.50 of that is swallowed by postage, and you'll be lucky to get it by midweek of the week after release. Most people would just go into their FLGS or GW store and buy it at RRP.

The leaked WD77 cover suggests that week there is one figure out - the celestant guy with pet - so that backs that up initially.

**Necros**

I get the feeling that errata PDF happened like this..

"ZOMG everyone on dakka and warseer are flipping out. Quick, gimmie those other 4 pages you wrote 6 months ago so we can shut them up. I hate the internets... F'ing Al Gore and his crazy inventions... grumble grumble"

**Nocturnus**

We broke down and tried the game today. Dirty Dwarves vs Smelly Brets. First off, I was never a huge WFB player. I have a few armies, mostly because I like the models. I thought it was an okay game, but not fantastic. AOS has some interesting ideas. Game play, to me, feels faster. It also has some silly/ridiculous rules/aspects to it. Maybe we missed something, but being able to shoot into melee seems odd. Being able to always hit/wound a unit on the same number seems meh. I think this game is fine for one of those afternoons where you want to play a game and just push models around. With your friends. I can't imagine walking into a game store for pick up games. The lack of balance is a big issue. Just my two cents.

**mikhaila**

Albino Squirrel wrote:
pretre wrote:

terrainguy, on 10 Jul 2015 - 2:17 PM, said:
Apparently, these are on their way here soon.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3iUmocmCYCUWFRzcWdQTGcxS0U/view

Found them courtesy of https://twitter.com/Lady_Atia

So far, she's only posted pics of actual upcoming stuff, so I imagine these are legit.

It says right on there that they are unofficial. They were made by a store that is running a tournament.

They look like someone just wanted some of the stuff back from 8th. I actually don't like them.
-Heroes suddenly are hard to kill if they hang in the back. One thing we've seen after about 30 games is that you have to be a bit careful with heroes and wizards. Warmachines can do a good job of ruining their day. With this set up, having vizards in your backfield are much more protected.
-I actually don't see the need for pulling out the closest models in a unit. It's been working fine without that and just takes more time.
-I've actually come to like not having to worry about shooting into combat, and just worrying about line of site. Large monsters are much easier to kill and not as dominant. Because of that players aren't minding when people bring big models, and they add a lot to the game. You can't hid a bloodthirster in combat.

**Motograter**

TwilightSparkles wrote:
I think the idea of at least a blister a week is legit, think about it, what better way to counter internet discounters ? Average blister price is £15-20 , assuming max discount of 20%, thats £4 at best, then at least 2.50 of that is swallowed by postage, and you'll be lucky to get it by midweek of the week after release. Most people would just go into their FLGS or GW store and buy it at RRP.

The leaked WD77 cover suggests that week there is one figure out - the celestant guy with pet - so that backs that up initially.

Going off the cover he will certainly be out but also a release for chaos perhaps even if its just a re release. A blister and a box a week to catch some forces up

**Plumbumbarum**

Killionaire wrote:
Reading this thread, I'm rather shocked by how many people are attributing 'tacticalness' to the mechanic of I-go-you-go activations. I mean. It's pretty straightforward to simply determine the largest enemy threat and punch it first, then let the enemy pick what to swing. Many, many, many games do this.

Or special rules interactions. If I want combo based gameplay I have MtG for that. In wargame it's basic rules that matter for me, movement reactions unit types etc and Angst of Shareholders seems really lacking in that department, like just an elaborate cc phase from 40k.

**Vermis**

Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Do not know if these have been posted, but here are the pin badges you get/got for pre-ordering:

Spoiler:

Do those make you more metal than Blue Peter fans, or more embarassing?

**H.B.M.C.**

Neronoxx wrote:
That shouldn't dismiss common courtesy and good manners however.

You are of course completely right...

Neronoxx wrote:
This place is strong with the butthurt...

... and you just defeated your own point.

Good job!

**guru**

From NZ GW store

Battleplan - New Age of Sigmar Book

Spoiler:

**H.B.M.C.**

Motograter wrote:
... but really is it that big a deal.

Complete change of all the rules and background? Yeah, I'm gonna say it's a big deal.

**migooo**

streetsamurai wrote:
migooo wrote:
I think that people are going to be in two minds about some of the kits that are coming

Some armies are going to have radical changes to aesthetic and I've now seen figures for two of them.But I can say I've not seen any big kits.

Again I'm not sure why I was shown. I've not worked with GW for ages.

Interesting

Can you tell us more ?

The one should be on Twitter within a month if ladyalita? Keeps up with the leaks.

I promised I wouldn't comment much until the Sigmar guys were finished.

Like the giant though.

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H.B.M.C. wrote:
Motograter wrote:
... but really is it that big a deal.

Complete change of all the rules and background? Yeah, I'm gonna say it's a big deal.

It really really is.

**H.B.M.C.**

Look at that scenario page! Look at the map. Thems be Khorne fortress walls!

We must see this kit!!!

**migooo**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Look at that scenario page! Look at the map. Thems be Khorne fortress walls!

We must see this kit!!!

Khorne is like the loud guy everyone knows that sneezes or coughs loudly when he's not the centre of attention. I'm so sick of him getting all the attention. Just once I'd like a cool Tzzenchian warrior mage or something.

**Warhams-77**

So, Slaanesh units arent gone...

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The Sigmarite Crossbow unit is shown in the LE AoS book photos (I cannot link atm)

**MeanGreenStompa**

We will have points cost soon, I really feel it will be brought about soon. If so, consider me back in the race.

**streamdragon**

oni wrote:
When the new army books arrive they will have detachments similar to the Necron Decurion Detachment and Space Marine Gladius Strikeforce Detachment. You'll have a compulsory Core and some optional Auxiliary formations. These detachments will bring the balance that everyone desires. These style detachments are a built in composition system without the complexity of that nonsense above.

They literally can NOT bring the balance I desire as a skaven player. To quote myself elsewhere:

Stormvermin have better Save and Bravery. Their Rusty Halberd profile has the better stats of BOTH of the clan rat weapons, and gets 2 attacks AND -1 rend to boot. Both units are 10+ models; the Leader, Standard, Musician and Clanshields bonuses are identical. The only difference comes down to one special rule:

Murderous Ferocity (Stormvermin) - You can add 1 to the hit rolls for a Stormvermin if it targets a unit that has fewer models than its own unit.
Strength in Numbers (Clan Rats): You can add 1 to the wound rolls for Clanrats if their unit has 20 or more models. If the unit has 30 or more models, you can add 1 to their hit and wound rolls.

The first bonus to "To Wound" rolls for Clanrats makes them equivalent to base Stormvermin. So you need 20 Clan Rats to be as good as 20 Stormvermin. The bonus to hit for Clan Rats comes in at 30 models; Stormvermin get the bonus if they outnumber their opponent instead. I'd personally give the edge to Stormvermin (because there are plenty of units that are limited to 1 model, like heros and monsters), whereas Clan Rats can be reduced below 30. "But you can take a HUGE unit of clan rats and never drop below 30!" If I'm taking a unit that big, I could make them Stormvermin and be almost guaranteed to outnumber my opponent and STILL get the bonus.

So if both models cost me 1 "wound", why would I ever field Clan Rats? It used to be I'd field clan rats because they were 4ppm instead of 7ppm. So I could get more Clan Rats than I could Stormvermin for equal points. Now they're both effectively 1ppm, but are not anywhere close to equivalent.

Forcing me to take units of clan rats is essentially forcing a handicap, because they made the unit completely, utterly and inarguably inferior. This was previously accounted for, at least, in the point cost of the model. That is no longer the case. Whether by wound count like the sample tournament build, or model count as per the Main Rules.

pretre wrote:
terrainguy, on 10 Jul 2015 - 2:17 PM, said:
Apparently, these are on their way here soon.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3iUmocmCYCUWFRzcWdQTGcxS0U/view

Found them courtesy of https://twitter.com/Lady_Atia

So far, she's only posted pics of actual upcoming stuff, so I imagine these are legit.

I know we've covered that these are from a store, not GW headquarters; they were posted somewhere down in the AoS boards and I'll say here what I said there: these rules completely frell armies that are "quantity over quality" armies. A Pack Master is barely a hero, but gets the key word. He'd count against my limit, which then further limits other units I can take in that they essentially require that support to be viable. It's utter garbage.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Look at that scenario page! Look at the map. Thems be Khorne fortress walls!

We must see this kit!!!

I am pretty sure we've seen them in a studio picture. The one where the ~~Celestians~~ ~~Celestants~~ the Lightning dudes are in the middle and surrounded by the Khorne dudes. The picture that is pretty much an exact duplicate of the old Grey Knights picture where they're surrounded by daemon models.

In any case, I know they've been pointed out and posted before.