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Neronoxx wrote:


Discarding, destroying or defacing any of one's own property out of rage, anger, hatred or spite over something so trivial as a ruleset going out of print, not suddenly disappearing or becoming illegal to play is sad and pathetic.
The fact that you think there is nothing wrong with this, lash out at another poster, and then contemplate doing the same thing is also sad.
There were much better ways to use those models for the good of the hobby, even outside of GW's rulesets.

Lash out? I hardly think anything that I've written would qualify as "lashing out" but if you feel so, please use the yellow triangle on the right and alert a mod.

While I cannot attest to the emotions or reasons why the person who posted the video disposed of their property in the way that they did, I personally no longer have any emotion in the matter. This is not burning a nation's flag, this is destroying some toy soldiers, please don't treat this as some reprehensible act.

The truly sad thing is that no other games are played in my area, other than X-Wing which I don't find entertaining. The good that will come out of this is that I'll just focus on 40K instead of maintaining armies in fantasy and 40K and will likely buy the Warlord Titan that I've been eyeing; it will be a nice centerpiece and fit-in nicely with all of my knights and other big, stompy robots.

 agnosto wrote:

 Xyxox wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Motograter wrote:
Anyone seen the video where the guy sets fire to his fantasy army because he doesn't like age of sigmar? Rather sad and pathetic

Why's that "sad and pathetic"? It's his property which he can do what he wants with as long as he doesn't break any laws in doing so. We might collectively think some of your personal choices are "sad and pathetic" care to list them all out for review?

Personally, I'm holding onto several thousand dollars in Ogre Kingdom and Vampire Count miniatures to see what happens but will in all likelihood throw them in the trash if what I think will happen actually does; slowly phasing out the old armies as they sell stock. I might buy the new models that replace them if I like the way they look but I feel no need to hang onto outdated models simply because someone on the internet thinks that I should.

Throwing them away is a bit foolish when they can be sold on eBay in order to recover some of your investment.

I. don't. need. the. money.

I give to charity, earn a very comfortable salary and view them much as I do the pair of $200 shoes that I threw away last week; they served their purpose, I received a fair amount of use from them, they are no longer needed.

Give your miniatures to a poor gamer as a charity act then. I just donated all my fantasy stuff to a guy, making life better for both me, who got rid of 20 pounds of stuff I would never use again, and for the guy and his brother who could share what I no longer wanted. Recycling is a thing you know.

Can a mod just nuke this thread from orbit? It's getting hard to find relevant information under all this... discussion.

 agnosto wrote:

 Xyxox wrote:


Then you could be charitble and give them to somebody on Dakka. I'm sure somebody here would be very happy to have your miniatures when you no longer need them, just like I'm sure there's a homeless guy that would have loved to have your $200 pair of shoes you so callously threw in the rubbish heap, further polluting our planet.

And you should not make judgement calls about other people's lives whom you know nothing about, but apparently that's not going to happen. Again, it's my property, I will do what I like with it, within the constraints of the law; I do not need yours or any other's approbation to dispose of my property as I see fit.

My point in posting was a counterpoint to all of the reverse rage regarding someone disposing of their personal property. It's not your property, you don't have the leisure to determine what someone should do with something that you did not purchase or does not belong to you.

I have no immediate plans for my models; as I said, they are shelved until I see what happens later in regards to "legacy" armies.

Certainly you are free to do whatever you like with your property, and I am free to judge you on what you do. People make judgements regarding the character of other people constantly every day. Do not tell me I cannot judge you. I can, and will.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Can a mod just nuke this thread from orbit? It's getting hard to find relevant information under all this... discussion.

Here ya go..

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/643158.page#7728848

 Xyxox wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Xyxox wrote:


Then you could be charitble and give them to somebody on Dakka. I'm sure somebody here would be very happy to have your miniatures when you no longer need them, just like I'm sure there's a homeless guy that would have loved to have your $200 pair of shoes you so callously threw in the rubbish heap, further polluting our planet.

And you should not make judgement calls about other people's lives whom you know nothing about, but apparently that's not going to happen. Again, it's my property, I will do what I like with it, within the constraints of the law; I do not need yours or any other's approbation to dispose of my property as I see fit.

My point in posting was a counterpoint to all of the reverse rage regarding someone disposing of their personal property. It's not your property, you don't have the leisure to determine what someone should do with something that you did not purchase or does not belong to you.

I have no immediate plans for my models; as I said, they are shelved until I see what happens later in regards to "legacy" armies.

Certainly you are free to do whatever you like with your property, and I am free to judge you on what you do. People make judgements regarding the character of other people constantly every day. Do not tell me I cannot judge you. I can, and will.

Two-way street there, pal.

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Starts at about 8mins in after he's finished ranting! I think I speak for pretty much everyone here- what a f-ing moron.

What a pillock, that witch elf unit cost a lot on its own.

And he couldn't even get the focus right on that video

Pretty lame stuff there, and he's really gonna be pissed at himself if a month down the line if he decides he likes the new version. He isn't exactly exactly the sharpest marble in the bag.

 agnosto wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:


Discarding, destroying or defacing any of one's own property out of rage, anger, hatred or spite over something so trivial as a ruleset going out of print, not suddenly disappearing or becoming illegal to play is sad and pathetic.
The fact that you think there is nothing wrong with this, lash out at another poster, and then contemplate doing the same thing is also sad.
There were much better ways to use those models for the good of the hobby, even outside of GW's rulesets.

Lash out? I hardly think anything that I've written would qualify as "lashing out" but if you feel so, please use the yellow triangle on the right and alert a mod.

While I cannot attest to the emotions or reasons why the person who posted the video disposed of their property in the way that they did, I personally no longer have any emotion in the matter. This is not burning a nation's flag, this is destroying some toy soldiers, please don't treat this as some reprehensible act.

The truly sad thing is that no other games are played in my area, other than X-Wing which I don't find entertaining. The good that will come out of this is that I'll just focus on 40K instead of maintaining armies in fantasy and 40K and will likely buy the Warlord Titan that I've been eyeing; it will be a nice centerpiece and fit-in nicely with all of my knights and other big, stompy robots.

You did lash out. It's not my problem you cannot understand this.
All i said was that it was sad. A poor use of minis.
Then you compare it to burning a flag. What the hell goes through your head to make that kind of comparison?
Probably the same manure that leads to comments on your wealth every other post? Seriously, we don't care how much you make or have, and the fact that you are no longer emotionally invested does not justify making these claims.
What's "truly sad" here is not your areas gaming options, but your seemingly self-satisfying stance in every post, dismissing other posters views, claims or opinions.
This is how you sound. It might not be who you are, but its how we see you.








I'm excited to see what Aos does to the existing armies.

Don't speak for other people, if it's how you see him, say so.

Having popped into my local GW today and finally seeing the Age of Sigmar figures in the flesh, I must admit that I am tempted.

I'm a long time 40K player (since 1993) but never bought into Fantasy despite being tempted by the Bretonnian/ Lizardmen edition. As I have no Warhammer baggage or emotional connection, the starter set looks like a fun jumping on point.

The winged Eternals look amazing and as for Hammerhand on his Battle Cat (or Bronx as I prefer to think of it)....

However, I am fickle and may just save the money for the BIG FLUFFING GUN that Victoria Lamb has previewed in her thread.

I am stunned however that for a friendly place like Dakka, this thread does seem to have set a new community low by the number of people who seem unable to let it go that people like or dislike different things.

alphaecho wrote:

Having popped into my local GW today and finally seeing the Age of Sigmar figures in the flesh, I must admit that I am tempted.

I'm a long time 40K player (since 1993) but never bought into Fantasy despite being tempted by the Bretonnian/ Lizardmen edition. As I have no Warhammer baggage or emotional connection, the starter set looks like a fun jumping on point.

The winged Eternals look amazing and as for Hammerhand on his Battle Cat (or Bronx as I prefer to think of it)....

However, I am fickle and may just save the money for the BIG FLUFFING GUN that Victoria Lamb has previewed in her thread.

I am stunned however that for a friendly place like Dakka, this thread does seem to have set a new community low by the number of people who seem unable to let it go that people like or dislike different things.

I think there are few people who would disagree that the models in AoS are well done. Some may dislike the aesthetic, but GW has tendency to do the models very well.

Relapse wrote:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Starts at about 8mins in after he's finished ranting! I think I speak for pretty much everyone here- what a f-ing moron.

What a pillock, that witch elf unit cost a lot on its own.

And he couldn't even get the focus right on that video

Pretty lame stuff there, and he's really gonna be pissed at himself if a month down the line if he decides he likes the new version. He isn't exactly exactly the sharpest marble in the bag.

Going on a massive swearathon just proves that he can't argue coherently.

 Xyxox wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Xyxox wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Motograter wrote:
Anyone seen the video where the guy sets fire to his fantasy army because he doesn't like age of sigmar? Rather sad and pathetic

Why's that "sad and pathetic"? It's his property which he can do what he wants with as long as he doesn't break any laws in doing so. We might collectively think some of your personal choices are "sad and pathetic" care to list them all out for review?

Personally, I'm holding onto several thousand dollars in Ogre Kingdom and Vampire Count miniatures to see what happens but will in all likelihood throw them in the trash if what I think will happen actually does; slowly phasing out the old armies as they sell stock. I might buy the new models that replace them if I like the way they look but I feel no need to hang onto outdated models simply because someone on the internet thinks that I should.

Throwing them away is a bit foolish when they can be sold on eBay in order to recover some of your investment.

I. don't. need. the. money.

I give to charity, earn a very comfortable salary and view them much as I do the pair of $200 shoes that I threw away last week; they served their purpose, I received a fair amount of use from them, they are no longer needed.

Then you could be charitble and give them to somebody on Dakka. I'm sure somebody here would be very happy to have your miniatures when you no longer need them, just like I'm sure there's a homeless guy that would have loved to have your $200 pair of shoes you so callously threw in the rubbish heap, further polluting our planet.

Yeah, well, that homeless guy needs to pull himself up by his own bootstraps so he can get his own designer shoes and light cigars with crisp, new $100 bills like Dakka's own self-styled Daddy Warbucks.

Edit: I don't know anyone with real money who brags about how it allows them to be wasteful.

From someone who visited a local store:

So I spent a while at the GW Portland store yesterday. And I learned some interesting things:

1. This week was the largest grossing week in GW North American history.

2. The rumors about fantasy only being 15% of GW sales was true, but that was AFTER end times, and end times doubled fantasy sales. So prior to end times, fantasy was pulling in only 7-8% of revenue.

3. The store has played about 60 games of Age of Sigmar so far, and all but two players loved it and wanted to buy it.

4. All the new models are upping the scale to a more 32mm format.

5. New orcs sound very World of Warcraft in aesthetic. Lots of animal pelts and bone helmets, very beastial - since they now come from the realm of beasts.

6. GW has told store staff that there will be new model releases for AoS every week as far into the future as they currently project. They are committed to at least one new blister a week forever.

Standard store disclaimer.

 gorgon wrote:

Albino Squirrel wrote:
Not even that. He got so angry that a game he likes has gone out of print. The rules for Warhammer Fantasy haven't changed at all. The game just is no longer in print.

I stand corrected.


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 Xyxox wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Motograter wrote:
Anyone seen the video where the guy sets fire to his fantasy army because he doesn't like age of sigmar? Rather sad and pathetic

Why's that "sad and pathetic"? It's his property which he can do what he wants with as long as he doesn't break any laws in doing so. We might collectively think some of your personal choices are "sad and pathetic" care to list them all out for review?

Personally, I'm holding onto several thousand dollars in Ogre Kingdom and Vampire Count miniatures to see what happens but will in all likelihood throw them in the trash if what I think will happen actually does; slowly phasing out the old armies as they sell stock. I might buy the new models that replace them if I like the way they look but I feel no need to hang onto outdated models simply because someone on the internet thinks that I should.

Throwing them away is a bit foolish when they can be sold on eBay in order to recover some of your investment.

Yeah, but that doesn't "teach GW a lesson." Or something.

Quite the opposite. That's one less army on Ebay to take store sales away.

 agnosto wrote:

 Motograter wrote:
Anyone seen the video where the guy sets fire to his fantasy army because he doesn't like age of sigmar? Rather sad and pathetic

Why's that "sad and pathetic"? It's his property which he can do what he wants with as long as he doesn't break any laws in doing so. We might collectively think some of your personal choices are "sad and pathetic" care to list them all out for review?

Personally, I'm holding onto several thousand dollars in Ogre Kingdom and Vampire Count miniatures to see what happens but will in all likelihood throw them in the trash if what I think will happen actually does; slowly phasing out the old armies as they sell stock. I might buy the new models that replace them if I like the way they look but I feel no need to hang onto outdated models simply because someone on the internet thinks that I should.

It's incredibly sad and pathetic. An empty gesture that only wastes his own time and money, and demonstrates that he woul rather throw a public tantrum than have fun gaming by continuing to play with WHFB, trying AoS or using an alternative system. Or, you know, selling/giving away models for a more mentally stable gamer to enjoy.

You throwing your armies in the garbage is slightly less pathetic, assuming you don't film it, but would still be pretty childish. There are hundreds if not thousands of people that are capable of enjoyin those models but you woul rather see them in a landfill because you don't feel you can use them the way you used to.

migooo wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Starts at about 8mins in after he's finished ranting! I think I speak for pretty much everyone here- what a f-ing moron.

What a pillock, that witch elf unit cost a lot on its own.

And he couldn't even get the focus right on that video

Pretty lame stuff there, and he's really gonna be pissed at himself if a month down the line if he decides he likes the new version. He isn't exactly exactly the sharpest marble in the bag.

Going on a massive swearathon just proves that he can't argue coherently.

I didn't even bother watching the thing except for a minute or two where the moron started to torch his army. From what you say, I didn't miss anything.
Am I the only one to think the guys that made this video are probably TFG, and wouldn't have been any fun to have a game with?

Relapse wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

Spoiler:

Albino Squirrel wrote:
Not even that. He got so angry that a game he likes has gone out of print. The rules for Warhammer Fantasy haven't changed at all. The game just is no longer in print.

I stand corrected.


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 Xyxox wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Motograter wrote:
Anyone seen the video where the guy sets fire to his fantasy army because he doesn't like age of sigmar? Rather sad and pathetic

Why's that "sad and pathetic"? It's his property which he can do what he wants with as long as he doesn't break any laws in doing so. We might collectively think some of your personal choices are "sad and pathetic" care to list them all out for review?

Personally, I'm holding onto several thousand dollars in Ogre Kingdom and Vampire Count miniatures to see what happens but will in all likelihood throw them in the trash if what I think will happen actually does; slowly phasing out the old armies as they sell stock. I might buy the new models that replace them if I like the way they look but I feel no need to hang onto outdated models simply because someone on the internet thinks that I should.

Throwing them away is a bit foolish when they can be sold on eBay in order to recover some of your investment.

Yeah, but that doesn't "teach GW a lesson." Or something.

Quite the opposite. That's one less army on Ebay to take store sales away.

GW's biggest competitor is former customers selling their stuff on eBay.

 plastictrees wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Motograter wrote:
Anyone seen the video where the guy sets fire to his fantasy army because he doesn't like age of sigmar? Rather sad and pathetic

Why's that "sad and pathetic"? It's his property which he can do what he wants with as long as he doesn't break any laws in doing so. We might collectively think some of your personal choices are "sad and pathetic" care to list them all out for review?

Personally, I'm holding onto several thousand dollars in Ogre Kingdom and Vampire Count miniatures to see what happens but will in all likelihood throw them in the trash if what I think will happen actually does; slowly phasing out the old armies as they sell stock. I might buy the new models that replace them if I like the way they look but I feel no need to hang onto outdated models simply because someone on the internet thinks that I should.

It's incredibly sad and pathetic. An empty gesture that only wastes his own time and money, and demonstrates that he woul rather throw a public tantrum than have fun gaming by continuing to play with WHFB, trying AoS or using an alternative system. Or, you know, selling/giving away models for a more mentally stable gamer to enjoy.

You throwing your armies in the garbage is slightly less pathetic, assuming you don't film it, but would still be pretty childish. There are hundreds if not thousands of people that are capable of enjoyin those models but you woul rather see them in a landfill because you don't feel you can use them the way you used to.

To be fair, its not s responsibility to be Warhammer Welfare. If he wants to throw them away, so be it.

 agnosto wrote:

 Xyxox wrote:


Then you could be charitble and give them to somebody on Dakka. I'm sure somebody here would be very happy to have your miniatures when you no longer need them, just like I'm sure there's a homeless guy that would have loved to have your $200 pair of shoes you so callously threw in the rubbish heap, further polluting our planet.

And you should not make judgement calls about other people's lives whom you know nothing about, but apparently that's not going to happen. Again, it's my property, I will do what I like with it, within the constraints of the law; I do not need yours or any other's approbation to dispose of my property as I see fit.

My point in posting was a counterpoint to all of the reverse rage regarding someone disposing of their personal property. It's not your property, you don't have the leisure to determine what someone should do with something that you did not purchase or does not belong to you.

I have no immediate plans for my models; as I said, they are shelved until I see what happens later in regards to "legacy" armies.

In that case, you are not allowed to complain about Age of Sigmar, or Games Workshop, unless they do something illegal.

AoS seems fine as long as you only play with the units in the box.
It gets completely messed up the second you try to come up with "balanced" armies.
It does not work.

Is this thread now heading toward lockdown?

Relapse wrote:
Is this thread now heading toward lockdown?

Should be a bunch more news once the new white dwarf is released.

RoninXiC wrote:
AoS seems fine as long as you only play with the units in the box.
It gets completely messed up the second you try to come up with "balanced" armies.
It does not work.

From seeing people play it in store and seeing what people are saying online I don't think this is an accurate statement. It does work. You just have to be playing with somebody you can actually speak to

alphaecho wrote:
Having popped into my local GW today and finally seeing the Age of Sigmar figures in the flesh, I must admit that I am tempted.

I'm a long time 40K player (since 1993) but never bought into Fantasy despite being tempted by the Bretonnian/ Lizardmen edition. As I have no Warhammer baggage or emotional connection, the starter set looks like a fun jumping on point.

The winged Eternals look amazing and as for Hammerhand on his Battle Cat (or Bronx as I prefer to think of it)....

However, I am fickle and may just save the money for the BIG FLUFFING GUN that Victoria Lamb has previewed in her thread.

I am stunned however that for a friendly place like Dakka, this thread does seem to have set a new community low by the number of people who seem unable to let it go that people like or dislike different things.

Big change prompts big opinions. That shouldn't dismiss common courtesy and good manners however. This place is strong with the butthurt...

Xyxox wrote:

I think there are few people who would disagree that the models in AoS are well done. Some may dislike the aesthetic, but GW has tendency to do the models very well.

I would agree with you. I think they are high quality models, even if not everyone agrees about the aesthetic.

Samurai_Eduh wrote:

To be fair, its not s responsibility to be Warhammer Welfare. If he wants to throw them away, so be it.

No one is disputing his right to trash his minis. They are just pointing out how wasteful it is.

Azreal13 wrote:Don't speak for other people, if it's how you see him, say so.

Did his post look different to you? I wasn't attempting to speak for anyone but myself.


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RoninXiC wrote:
AoS seems fine as long as you only play with the units in the box.
It gets completely messed up the second you try to come up with "balanced" armies.
It does not work.

Yes it does.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/655480.page
I made it work.
Others have made it work.
you can make it work.
but don't say

RoninXiC wrote:
...It does not work.

Because that isn't true, as many people in this thread have duly noted.

Neronoxx wrote:

Spoiler:

alphaecho wrote:
Having popped into my local GW today and finally seeing the Age of Sigmar figures in the flesh, I must admit that I am tempted.

I'm a long time 40K player (since 1993) but never bought into Fantasy despite being tempted by the Bretonnian/ Lizardmen edition. As I have no Warhammer baggage or emotional connection, the starter set looks like a fun jumping on point.

The winged Eternals look amazing and as for Hammerhand on his Battle Cat (or Bronx as I prefer to think of it)....

However, I am fickle and may just save the money for the BIG FLUFFING GUN that Victoria Lamb has previewed in her thread.

I am stunned however that for a friendly place like Dakka, this thread does seem to have set a new community low by the number of people who seem unable to let it go that people like or dislike different things.

Big change prompts big opinions. That shouldn't dismiss common courtesy and good manners however. This place is strong with the butthurt...

Xyxox wrote:

I think there are few people who would disagree that the models in AoS are well done. Some may dislike the aesthetic, but GW has tendency to do the models very well.

I would agree with you. I think they are high quality models, even if not everyone agrees about the aesthetic.

Samurai_Eduh wrote:

To be fair, its not s responsibility to be Warhammer Welfare. If he wants to throw them away, so be it.

No one is disputing his right to trash his minis. They are just pointing out how wasteful it is.

Azreal13 wrote:Don't speak for other people, if it's how you see him, say so.

Did his post look different to you? I wasn't attempting to speak for anyone but myself.


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RoninXiC wrote:
AoS seems fine as long as you only play with the units in the box.
It gets completely messed up the second you try to come up with "balanced" armies.
It does not work.

Yes it does.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/655480.page
I made it work.
Others have made it work.
you can make it work.
but don't say

RoninXiC wrote:
...It does not work.

Because that isn't true, as many people in this thread have duly noted.

I think it's fine to say it does not work because it does not work as written. The only way to make it work is to house rule it. I fully expect the future scenarios and future released models to work fine without house rules, though.

By saying "you can make it work" is acknowledging it does not work as it is presented.

Burnt his army over AoS? I literally have no words.

I didnt even watch the vid, are we sure it wasnt one of those interwebz stunts? Or was it simply too real and pathetic to be fake?

32mm scale and World of Warcraft aesthetic... who would have guessed.

I'm firmly in the 'not a fan' camp, but I'm genuinely curious about the play experience and outlook of people who like AoS, largely in two areas:

I can see that the game does actually have some different tactical depth, given the nature of how combat is resolved (for instance, which unit do you attack with first, where do you remove casualties, weapons with greater reach can fight through units, etc.). However, to my eyes, those tactical choices seem to further abstract the game. An orc warboss either attacks before the unit he strides alongside, or after their enemies have gone. Models are just as likely to hit and wound regardless of who they are fighting. Zombies might attack before High Elves. A line of archers gets attacked on one end and removes models from the other end. The spearman modeled with spear upright has dramatically different reach than the one modeled with spear outthrust.

Do you think the new tactical considerations compensate for the general abstraction of a lot of the former detail? Or is it simply more enjoyable to have a game that isn't as 'fiddly'? Or do you feel that the tactical considerations of the new game, while different, are largely about as complex as the old system was? Do you think that opinion will change as you become accustomed to the new rules (does it seem like a more tactical game because the tactics are new to you, or actually more tactical)?


Also, GW has been quoted (with varying levels of reliability) as saying that they will continue to support this game with new models and new releases for a long time; that they are in it for the 'long haul' with this game. Given that WFB was dropped by GW with very little official advance notice*, do you feel confident that GW will actually support AoS for the extended run, regardless of sales? If so, why? Or, given the free rules, and the relatively low cost investment to start the game (no huge army needed), does it not really matter as much if you can't trust in extended support of the game?

For me, regardless of my feelings about AoS, the fact that GW dropped a core game which had persisted in one form or another for decades, and had spawned novels, rpgs, and video games, with little official communication, would make me hesitant to invest time and money in a new core game from them (especially before it had established itself as a successful game for some time).


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