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I'm chiming in that Age of Sigmar's is actually a board game. Told it's something like space hulk. The source that told me 7/11 was release day also told me this. So I'll run with it.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I might check in at my local store to see what they are offering for the books. If he's willing to drop to cost to get rid of them I'll pick some up because I like them and they are pretty.

I'm certainly pulling and dumping mine. I don't want my players accidentally buying a book that is useless. I'm tossing mine up on ebay with a hefty dicount and hoping someone wants them for collectors value.

 mikhaila wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
I might check in at my local store to see what they are offering for the books. If he's willing to drop to cost to get rid of them I'll pick some up because I like them and they are pretty.

I'm certainly pulling and dumping mine. I don't want my players accidentally buying a book that is useless. I'm tossing mine up on ebay with a hefty dicount and hoping someone wants them for collectors value.

Is there an official policy (besides obviously "No!") from GW regarding returning them to the source for a refund as a store? Something like a 30-90 day rule or somesuch?

 warboss wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
I might check in at my local store to see what they are offering for the books. If he's willing to drop to cost to get rid of them I'll pick some up because I like them and they are pretty.

I'm certainly pulling and dumping mine. I don't want my players accidentally buying a book that is useless. I'm tossing mine up on ebay with a hefty dicount and hoping someone wants them for collectors value.

Is there an official policy (besides obviously "No!") from GW regarding returning them to the source for a refund as a store? Something like a 30-90 day rule or somesuch?

99.99% of everything i buy is "non-returnable". GW included.

That said, I've had many times over the years when GW has offered me credit for product. Decades back i got to return all my epic, bloodbowl, BFG etc as those systems died down to nothing. The rules have changed, and at times all old product was returnable, sometimes not.

Currently, it's technically returnable, but not worth doing as it counts against your product support. You don't gain anything by doing so. But...sales reps have leeway on many things. Within the last year:
1) I recieved credit for old brushes to encourage me to get them off the shelf and bring in new ones.
2) Got credit for 6 cans of old white primer.
3) Was told to take care of any customer who just picked up a Space Marine Codex in the last few weeks with a brand new copy when they come out, and i'd get reimbursed.

So really, they are taking pretty good care of me and my guys. A lot depends on your relationship with GW and how much you order. I call in twice a week and keep my stock levels always full.
I could wait for Age of Sigmar and try to go for a refund on army books, but if I can basically get back my cost on ebay, it's one less thing to ask GW about. Just have to motivate myself to do so.

Anyone need a full set of 8th edition army books at 60% off ?

60% discount? Now you're tempting me to pick up a couple books just to let my kids flip through them and cut out pictures they like. They're years away from grasping a ruleset but they like painting minis and cool pictures.

Mikhaila, you got a Warriors of Chaos book at 60% off? I'd take that off your hands in a hot minute!!

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I'm chiming in that Age of Sigmar's is actually a board game. Told it's something like space hulk. The source that told me 7/11 was release day also told me this. So I'll run with it.

Not the first time I've heard that mentioned - the 'board game'.

But why yank the army books/rulebooks for TTG/etc, if AoS is just a board game? Could there be multiple pieces to this puzzle?

My source said 9th at the same time. But AoS is a board game. So I've been told.

@Mikhalia: Thanks for the detailed explanation.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Mikhaila, you got a Warriors of Chaos book at 60% off? I'd take that off your hands in a hot minute!!

Sure. One less thing to ebay. Paypal me 23.00 to Mikenjudyc@aol.com and I'll ship it up with media mail.

Other pm's replied to. Much rather sell to people on dakka rather than ebay.

One thing i'll mention: Don't send paypal payments as gifts. I appreciate folks trying to save me the 2.5%, but it actually complicates things as I call them 'sales' in my book keeping, and gifts don't let me use Paypals shipping software to print off labels.

Great, I'll be sending it over to you shortly. Thanks, Mik!!

Best of luck to Mikhaila and all the other store owners going through this undoubtedly ugly transition.

Still hard to believe that they're really killing Warhammer Fantasy...

 Guildsman wrote:
Best of luck to Mikhaila and all the other store owners going through this undoubtedly ugly transition.

Still hard to believe that they're really killing Warhammer Fantasy...

Killing... or changing? Or Mixing it up a bit?

Isn't it a little too early to be throwing in the towel?

I know it's hard in this day and age - but think positive!

 Thunderfrog wrote:
The did end of times book ever confirm whether or not the Horned Rat was Nurgle?

No, the horned rat is not nurgle. It wasn't confirmed and honestly nurgle is jolly & likes his children, the horned rat is maliscious & cares not for his followers & children. I'd say the horned rat is a minor chaos god making a power play.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k6h51BxZ-Dc

And it begins

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

 Thunderfrog wrote:
The did end of times book ever confirm whether or not the Horned Rat was Nurgle?

No, the horned rat is not nurgle. It wasn't confirmed and honestly nurgle is jolly & likes his children, the horned rat is maliscious & cares not for his followers & children. I'd say the horned rat is a minor chaos god making a power play.

I think chaos god myself but the rats also worship an aspect of nurgle, nurglich or something wasn't it?

 Formosa wrote:

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

 Thunderfrog wrote:
The did end of times book ever confirm whether or not the Horned Rat was Nurgle?

No, the horned rat is not nurgle. It wasn't confirmed and honestly nurgle is jolly & likes his children, the horned rat is maliscious & cares not for his followers & children. I'd say the horned rat is a minor chaos god making a power play.

I think chaos god myself but the rats also worship an aspect of nurgle, nurglich or something wasn't it?

Nurglitch was the Leader of the Plaque klan. Older Background had an connection to Nurgle, but that connection was mostly removed in newer background IIRC.

BTW shouldn't from this saturday on all the Armybooks plus expansions be removed from the stores and Webstore? Because their are still on on the German page.

Edit: Removed. Overheard conversation that didn't add much.

Do we think that GW are trying to slightly (in their own inimitable way) prepare the WFB community for the (Possible? Probable?) big changes that are afoot? It has been rare in recent years for GW to tease/advertise/promote something more than a month before it is going to be released.

That said a month odd to go and we still basically know nothing about the future of Warhammer Fantasy Battle. My head hurts.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Do we think that GW are trying to slightly (in their own inimitable way) prepare the WFB community for the (Possible? Probable?) big changes that are afoot? It has been rare in recent years for GW to tease/advertise/promote something more than a month before it is going to be released.

That said a month odd to go and we still basically know nothing about the future of Warhammer Fantasy Battle. My head hurts.

7th Edition of 40K had the exact same 1 month before "advertising" with the "There is no time for peace" posters and ads.

They also sent out a large poster around a month out showing all the new Admech stuff that hadn't been announced and that wasn't coming out for 3-4 weeks.

So perhaps an indication of a change in tact by GW? I just wish they put a bit more information on the poster:

"Age of Sigmar: A new boardgame"

or

"Age of Sigmar: A new way to play Warhammer Fantasy Battle"

would be a start.

 Mort wrote:

 Guildsman wrote:
Best of luck to Mikhaila and all the other store owners going through this undoubtedly ugly transition.

Still hard to believe that they're really killing Warhammer Fantasy...

Killing... or changing? Or Mixing it up a bit?

Isn't it a little too early to be throwing in the towel?

I know it's hard in this day and age - but think positive!

You call blowing up the entire world, eradicating one of the few things many people still liked about the game(the background), "mixing it up a bit"?

Sure, if all you get out of Warhammer, and all you want to get out of it, is pushing blocks of pretty plastic around for a couple of hours of a weekend - great, enjoy the Nothammer Bubbleverse or whatever. For those of us who played Warhammer because it was Warhammer, it's a touch hard to "think positive" considering they've already done the thing we're feeling negative about.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
So perhaps an indication of a change in tact by GW? I just wish they put a bit more information on the poster:

"Age of Sigmar: A new boardgame"

or

"Age of Sigmar: A new way to play Warhammer Fantasy Battle"

would be a start.

Anticipating crazy net-rumours and printing disclaimers on the poster. I like it.

Probably safer (and cheaper) to just go with "Age of Sigmar: A new product, but not what BoLS/Natfka predict it will be"

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:


That said a month odd to go and we still basically know nothing about the future of Warhammer Fantasy Battle. My head hurts.

And I bet their sales numbers on WFB too. Way to many weeks of silence means the few that resist will eventually be lured elsewhere. GW has not learned a thing. Oh well soon enough we will find out but the MAJOR difference is that I 'm not planing anything shopping wise because I know nothing, so not saving= no extra money for such big release. Instead of getting whatever is coming on its arrival I will sit down and relax, wait for some reviews think about the changes and if its worth updating my armies or not, then actually plan some shopping... By the end of sumer or maybe near Christmas I will get into the swing of things. In short GW is so dormant when it comes to create a buzz that they only get a big yawn when things hit the shops instead of my money.

 NAVARRO wrote:

And I bet their sales numbers on WFB too.

Which was allegedly the reason they decided to do something .. um .. back on 2012 or 2013 or so, when the first put the End Times/Age of Sigmar idea on the table.

Can't hurt sales that don't exist anyhow.

Here's a google translate of the early Cargad rumour, which is over a year old (well before Nagash). Emphases mine.

So there will be NO Ninth Edition,

[...]

Apparently Warhammer does not give as much money as Warhammer 40,000 and have decided to "close a big way." But (there's always a but you), remember when we said that closed the White Dwarf ? What happened in the end? Well, he shuts the White Dwarf and pulled something from his sleeve. With Warhammer same will happen, apparently there will be a new game in January. This new game is set in the world of Warhammer but will not be Warhammer , it will be a game of skirmishes with round bases. Probably some factions "die" and I guess others will appear. ¿Skirmishes with round bases? Looks like Privateer and Warmachine / Hordes really do have supplanted Warhammer in USA.

[...]

. The exact phrase I was told was "much Unless things change, there will be nine of Warhammer Fantasy, the game is over. " And so far (and taking armies completely non-Alpha as Silvan or Bretonia) it seems that it will be. All this, of course, have to take it with tweezers, that just a "rumor" launched to see the reaction of people, maybe it is a lie spread by Games Workshop to see the reactions. Let's wait.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

And I bet their sales numbers on WFB too.

Which was allegedly the reason they decided to do something .. um .. back on 2012 or 2013 or so, when the first put the End Times/Age of Sigmar idea on the table.

Can't hurt sales that don't exist anyhow.

Sales did exist, just not in the numbers they wanted... Different from No sales ( which I think its happening on this hiatus of news).
As for "decided to do something"... thats the crux of most GW problems these days Cynicism aside if you need to obliterate a 20 year old game background due to bad management of said game as last resort to get back on track, then my friend it does not bode well on every single instance they " decided to do something" on WFB recent past. Im an optimist but lets not for a moment be detached from the reality ok? Its not like GW landed in a drop pod out of nowhere and is changing things to save WFB... GW should not need to save anything if they had "decided to do the right thing years ago.

So this was uploaded may 12th but I assume it just went live today? Such a joke teaser video it is probably the worst one they have made lol

I'm excited for a new edition I am just SUPER worried about loosing models/kits because I want to be able to buy new armies and I don't know if I need to buy more stuff for my skaven or not.

Either way I'm excited and a skirmish game (in addition too the regular game) will be fun

 Hulksmash wrote:
They also sent out a large poster around a month out showing all the new Admech stuff that hadn't been announced and that wasn't coming out for 3-4 weeks.

That wasn't intentional by all accounts. It went out early, independents started handing them out because they came in with preorders--GW stores got told to do so as well since the cat was out of the bag.

 Yodhrin wrote:


You call blowing up the entire world, eradicating one of the few things many people still liked about the game(the background), "mixing it up a bit"?

Sure, if all you get out of Warhammer, and all you want to get out of it, is pushing blocks of pretty plastic around for a couple of hours of a weekend - great, enjoy the Nothammer Bubbleverse or whatever. For those of us who played Warhammer because it was Warhammer, it's a touch hard to "think positive" considering they've already done the thing we're feeling negative about.

First - yes, I play the game to play the game. The 'fluff' is 'not the game'. Maybe for you it is - but it's not for me. I enjoy reading it, of course, and I love a lot of it. But if that was the only thing keeping your interest in WHFB... well, sorry to hear that. You still have that fluff - they aren't going to confiscate it or take it away from you. Read it and enjoy it anytime you like. Heck, you and your friends could have your own 'bubbleverse', playing with the old fluff in mind, but giving the new rules a shot.

But really, do you have any idea what the new 'fluff' is going to be? Maybe it will be something similar to what you know and love. Maybe it will be something different. Maybe it will change barely enough that GW can 'justify' lumping humans and elves and dwarves together, etc. Or maybe they'll completely re-write everything, and the Empire will be the 'bad guys', Sigmar will be the new head-chaos god, and orcs will become pacifists.

Either way - throwing in the towel just seems premature. I understand the sour mood, as humans generally get set in their ways and don't like change, but you've already invested so much time and money into the hobby - what is so wrong with keeping an open mind for a month or so until you find out if it's really as bad as you think it is?