Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Replaced? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan

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**His Master's Voice**

We still don't know if those 4 pages are the actual rules, or just the reference sheets in vein of what the older WFB starter sets used to have. Could be either, given the retailer blurb.

**thenoobbomb**

Bottle wrote:
guru wrote:
from atia

Games Workshop is proud to introduce you to Warhammer – The Age of Sigmar. The old Warhammer World is gone. It exploded and now we can only look ahead at what is to come – The Age of Sigmar. Together we are about to explore new realms. Exciting new adventures lay ahead, with brand new miniatures and new scenarios, set in brand new landscapes. We are opening new realms. Let’s embark on the very first battle of this new era.
The old Warhammer World is gone, and so is Warhammer Fantasy. Forget what you know about Warhammer Fantasy, as Warhammer – the Age of Sigmar is nothing like it. We are going to introduce you to a whole new experience. A brand new game with brand loads of new miniatures and brand new rules.
It is different to what you will expect. It is different to what we have done, but it will amaze you and all your customers. Don’t worry. Warhammer Fantasy miniatures stay relevant. Old miniatures can still be used, however how you will play them has changed. Size doesn’t matter anymore. Whether you want to play with 10 or 100 miniatures, it is all possible in Warhammer – The Age of Sigmar.
The change is big, but you and your customers can still use the existing miniatures. On the 4th of July all the new rules will be available digitally on our website for FREE – It will explain to you how the new game works, and how you can use your old miniatures. The rules will be available in many languages (including Dutch). The new rules for each miniature will also be in the newly rebranded boxes.
Square bases and movement trays are gone. The new and rebranded products will now come with oval and round bases. However don’t worry, as you can play the game with any base shape you want. No need to rebase your existing miniatures. Bases are now only used to stand up your miniatures and you can use whatever shape base you like most.

https://twitter.com/lady_atia

IMAGINE IF THEY HAD SAID THIS A FEW MONTHS AGO. THE DRAMA THEY WOULD HAVE SAVED. O LAWD

Yeah, I'm somewhat alright with this.

**RoninXiC**

No info on the price?

**AlexHolker**

jah-joshua wrote:
that still doesn't explain why Stormcast Eternals is such an offensive name...

Names like Stormcast Eternals, Bloodwrack Shrine or Runeclaw Bear follow a common naming convention that feels like a cliche of modern, MMO-type fantasy. They sound like the sort of names you'd see on a leveled encounter table attached to palette swaps - which is fitting, given how much GW likes arbitrary dual-purpose kits these days.

**Dullspork**

Daston wrote:
Do any companies make the old square sized bases in plastic? Can I just buy a massive bag of them from somewhere?

I really like the idea of AoS but I want square bases for when I play 8th

20mm Square - http://amzn.to/1eemGYm
25mm Square - http://amzn.to/1HpT2uP
Cavalry - http://amzn.to/1SXqYmm

These are all from Proxie Models and really inexpensive.

**JohnnyHell**

I can get me behind a 4-page ruleset!!!

Armies "will receive new rules" does of course mean "we will sell you new rules for the models you have... again" but I think everyone expected that!

**SJM**

4 pages? they better be big pages!

**-DE-**

I think these compound neologisms sound daft, like from a generic MMORPG with throwaway lore. However, I imagine the idea is to have them easily google-able, with top results directing to the GW online store (I hestitate to call it a webpage) and Warhammer fan sites.

Call the, *groan*, Stormcast Eternals Nephilim and you get tons of angelology sites, which is not what the company wants, understandably.

**Dullspork**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I wonder if they'll be super abstracted like Ganesha Games' Song of Blades and Heroes rules.

Super basic stuff on the surface, all sorts of abilities to fiddle with later on.

That would be nice, though it's worth noting that even that game takes more than 4 pages to explain.

**guru**

RoninXiC wrote:
No info on the price?

atia says...

Price for AoS should be 100 €

**number9dream**

Sidstyler wrote:
Krinsath wrote:
For me the names are just lazy and neither evocative nor necessary. If I called a spade a "Soilturner of Gardenfield" there is nothing technically incorrect with the name and it describes the item in question, but it's also a convoluted way of doing things. It's also pretty transparent attempt in trying to up the importance of a spade rather than just calling it a spade. Likely some merit in Realmgate and all the other names attempting to be a IP-protectable rather than just calling it a gate and so forth. Anyone checked if any of those items are registered to GW now? They should get on Sigmarines too, just in case.

That's a very good way of putting it, actually. I hate when someone says something and manages to explain what I'm feeling better than I can. lol

jah-joshua wrote:

that still doesn't explain why Stormcast Eternals is such an offensive name...

It's not literally offensive to me, I just don't like the name. I only used the word because someone else was accusing people of being "offended" at "realmgates", and I even put the word "offend" in quotes, but you still somehow interpreted that I was deeply bothered by the name. My entire damn point was "I think the name is silly" and that was pretty much it.

On that note, I'm not sure I understand the whole "-gate = scandal" tangent, because it's painfully obvious the realmgates are like stargates. You know, from Stargate. A "magic" portal to another world or dimension, that's what the realmgates sound like and that's essentially what the stargates were.

As for "why" I think the name Stormcast Eternals is silly? Because it sounds silly. It smacks of "We needed something unique that would be a good, defendable IP." The name just doesn't put that feeling of "Oh, that sounds awesome" in me, it doesn't make me want to learn more about the faction or buy the models...literally my first reaction to seeing the official name was to make a face and say "What?"

And let me guess as to why they're called Stormcast Eternals; because these guys are "unleashed upon shafts of magical lightning" onto the battlefield...like a lightning bolt "cast" from a storm...and they're agents of the "God-King" and most likely immortal, hence eternal. Ecch. It's almost as bad as Tempestus Scions, or Astra Militarum, that faux-Latin crap GW came up with because just calling them "stormtroopers" or "Imperial Guard" made it harder to sue people. Same with the "bleakswords" or "dreadspears" for Dark Elves...they didn't need to come up with a fancy name for Dark Elf spearmen, they did it because they think coming up with a goofy name will somehow make their Dark Elf spearmen protectable IP.

"Goretide" for the Khorne force isn't much better, honestly, but you kind of expect that anymore for Chaos. For these guys...I dunno, "Stormcast Eternals" doesn't really seem right for a bunch of golden-armored avenging angels. I'm no game designer and don't get paid to come up with goofy names for units in tabletop games like GW's crew, but why not something a little more "down to earth" like the Vanguard Host, or the Retributors, Nephilim would have been oddly appropriate, I don't fething know, but I feel like almost anything would have been better. Just calling them Vanguard or Nephilim would have been kinda cool, but again, that's too generic and you can't sue people for using those words to name their stuff, then. Like Krinsath also mentioned, it feels like they make the goofy names because they're trying to sell this stuff to a younger market. It feels less like I'm buying models for a tabletop miniature game and more like I'm buying glorified action figures for the names they give some of this crap. And if you actually play the game it's not so easy to ignore, as you'll constantly be having to write "Murderfang" in your list if you want to use the model, and referring to the "proper" name of the unit, wargear, etc. during the game so your opponents know what the hell you're talking about. I guess if you do nothing but paint models the names don't really matter.

I wasn't going to bother responding to you initially, it felt like a waste of time since you apparently like GW's naming conventions and I clearly don't, but there's my attempt at an explanation since you insisted. Not that I feel like I should have to explain. In any case I can't say I really give a crap about Age of Sigmar and will probably take your advice and ignore it. Still curious to see what becomes of WHF, the existing model range and armies people have collected, but I imagine I'm not going to like it.

To be fair to GW if they cant use gate because of stargate, and blizzard and warcraft has had portal in their lore since at least the mid 90s (warcraft 2: beyond the dark portal as an easy example), then they are kind of stuck.

Stormcast eternals to me feels like the name of a smaller group and not a full blown faction, so if it is indeed a skirmish game then i think its a suitable name... if you are comparing it to empire, bretonnia etc tyen it will feel odd.

Depends on the context imo.

**unmercifulconker**

And there it is, 'games can be as small or as big as you want.'

Lets do this.

**Hulksmash**

Well, page wise considering Wrath of Kings is about 10 pages without scenarios and with a bunch of diagrams and photos I could see 4 pages working if there isn't any filler. The old reference cards (I wanna say 7th edition) were 1 page double sided and covered everything but scenarios and special rules. If they are going the datasheet approach special rules and such go in the unit then I can easily see WFB being a 4 page ruleset.

In fact that would be a huge bonus. Rulebook size is a huge barrier to entry alongside price.

**Mr Morden**

guru wrote:
from warseeer

Games Workshop is proud to introduce you to Warhammer – The Age of Sigmar. The old Warhammer World is gone. It exploded and now we can only look ahead at what is to come – The Age of Sigmar. Together we are about to explore new realms. Exciting new adventures lay ahead, with brand new miniatures and new scenarios, set in brand new landscapes. We are opening new realms. Let’s embark on the very first battle of this new era.
The old Warhammer World is gone, and so is Warhammer Fantasy. Forget what you know about Warhammer Fantasy, as Warhammer – the Age of Sigmar is nothing like it. We are going to introduce you to a whole new experience. A brand new game with brand loads of new miniatures and brand new rules.
It is different to what you will expect. It is different to what we have done, but it will amaze you and all your customers. Don’t worry. Warhammer Fantasy miniatures stay relevant. Old miniatures can still be used, however how you will play them has changed. Size doesn’t matter anymore. Whether you want to play with 10 or 100 miniatures, it is all possible in Warhammer – The Age of Sigmar.
The change is big, but you and your customers can still use the existing miniatures. On the 4th of July all the new rules will be available digitally on our website for FREE – It will explain to you how the new game works, and how you can use your old miniatures. The rules will be available in many languages (including Dutch). The new rules for each miniature will also be in the newly rebranded boxes.
Square bases and movement trays are gone. The new and rebranded products will now come with oval and round bases. However don’t worry, as you can play the game with any base shape you want. No need to rebase your existing miniatures. Bases are now only used to stand up your miniatures and you can use whatever shape base you like most.

from atia

https://twitter.com/lady_atia

"Don’t worry. Warhammer Fantasy miniatures stay relevant. Old miniatures can still be used, however how you will play them has changed."
"On the 4th of July all the new rules will be available digitally onthe GW website for FREE – It will explain to you how the new game works"
"The new rules for each miniature will also be in the newly rebranded boxes. Square bases and movement trays are gone."
"The new and rebranded products will now come with oval and round bases. However don’t worry, as you can play the game with any base shape"

Really quite interested now in what the rules will be like - fast and simple rules can often mean more time spent playing the game so could be really good......hoping something like Heroscape now.

plus Free download - is GW actually learning stuff!

**Paradigm**

Interesting. Free rules, however light, is a huge step in the right direction, and releasing them during the pre-order week is cool too; finally a GW game we can actually test before buying into! (unless the rules are crap, in which case it could backfire horribly!

)

4 pages for the core rules doesn't sound terrible to me, especially if that rumour a while back about the mechanic all being based on rolling a target number pans out; you can explain that in a paragraph and then just refer to 'Attack/Defence/Courage/Whatever tests' throughout rather than rehashing the same stuff or explaining completely different mechanisms for each action. I'm also pretty certain that won't include the army lists or anything, they'll be separate (and hopefully free as well).

Honestly, I'm getting pretty excited now! Did we get confirmation that there's a free Sigmarine in the next WD yet? I'm itching to get a look at these new minis in the flesh!

**bbb**

4 pages of rules and all rules for existing models for free means there's a good chance I'll try it. However, I don't expect that I'll pick up the starter set.

**Bottle**

After a few days of the rumour mill making me glum, I am no super hyped. I really hope we are getting the basic rules for free! :-)

**CatMines**

I think those of us with a GW store nearby are lucky with a release like this. I know I'm going to show up to my GW with a dozen or so models and ask them to demo the game using my existing models if possible. If the rules are that easy, and the game is as fun as they claim (though why would claim otherwise about their own product) then I'll end up subscribing to this new battle system, if not then I ditch AoS.

**thenoobbomb**

bbb wrote:
4 pages of rules and all rules for existing models for free means there's a good chance I'll try it. However, I don't expect that I'll pick up the starter set.

This. If they're good, some of my friends might be interested and I'll pick up some boxes of models to play skirmish games with.

**JohnnyHell**

FREE rules! This is actually epic.

**migooo**

Free rules ??

Okay if they are free then I'll look

**angelofvengeance**

Here's the actual pic- seems pretty legit.

**Rick_1138**

So going by the above, can we all stop worrying\arguing about the death of fantasy.

The reports of all fantasy lines dying have been unfounded it seems.

I for one am looking forward to next week

I am off the week of the 20th of July so will have a good build and playtest session.

**warboss**

CatMines wrote:
I think those of us with a GW store nearby are lucky with a release like this. I know I'm going to show up to my GW with a dozen or so models and ask them to demo the game using my existing models if possible. If the rules are that easy, and the game is as fun as they claim (though why would claim otherwise about their own product) then I'll end up subscribing to this new battle system, if not then I ditch AoS.

That's kind of a dick move on the opening weekend and that is coming from a relentless critic of GW. It's the opening weekend and likely the SINGLE employee at the one man store will be stressed enough with a new flagship product without you throwing that in on him on the very day of the release. It is an entirely valid concern though and I absolutely think you should do it... just not on the opening weekend. Go there, get a demo with the already painted sigmarines using the scenario the poor schmuck working there has practiced, download the rules, and see if it is worth you trying to use your existing collection or switch to another game system instead like KOW. If you decide the former, grab your stuff the next weekend and go try out the demo game again with the likely shoehorned in WHFB minis. I'm all for giving GW a waste treatment plant's worth of crap over the stuff they do but it isn't fair to dump it on the minimum wage guy at the demo table whose job likely depends on selling X starters that weekend.

**lord_blackfang**

4 pages can work, there are plenty of game systems out there that work just fine with that or less. Obviously a lot of fine detail for specific unit types will have to be culled, and that doesn't have to be a bad thing.

Of course, I fully expect them to add stuff back in over time, just as with any other game that has had a full reset. The point of streamlining isn't to remove complexity, it's to make room for adding new types of complexity without overloading the players.

**AllSeeingSkink**

"Armies without limits"... soooo.... WHFB Unbound?

**rohdester**

Would GW release a retail blurb with a spelling mistake?
Next to last bullet has "amd" instead of "and".

**namiel**

Rick_1138 wrote:
So going by the above, can we all stop worrying\arguing about the death of fantasy.

The reports of all fantasy lines dying have been unfounded it seems.

I for one am looking forward to next week I am off the week of the 20th of July so will have a good build and playtest session.

I said this AGES ago(in forum time).

I also said bases wouldn't matter, rules would be free online, and the army mash up would happen.

**warboss**

Rick_1138 wrote:
So going by the above, can we all stop worrying\arguing about the death of fantasy.

The reports of all fantasy lines dying have been unfounded it seems.

I for one am looking forward to next week I am off the week of the 20th of July so will have a good build and playtest session.

In order for there to be a "totally new beginning" for AOS, there has to be a "totally definitive end" to WHFB (see End Times). I agree we can all stop worrying/arguing about the death of fantasy as the above (if actually from GW) spells out that death in no uncertain terms. Now, the question of whether it is possible it to use your WHFB minis with AOS is a related but separate question that is also answered in that flyer (apparently, yes, you can). A third question is whether or not it is worth it to use a variety of 28mm to 32mm heroic scaled figs in an more (35mm?) out of scale follow up separate game. I guess we'll see the responses to that last question next week when the free rules are posted and people start putting up pics of various WHFB minis side by side with the sigmarines and khorneflakes.

**rohdester**

Also "2 range rules"? Shouldn't that be "2 range rulers"?