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Well it seems to me that GW's fluff writing, and comedic talent are on the same level in this game. I leave it to the reader to determine what that level is. Please note, I'm not addressing the rules as I've not played them.

Just my personal opinion, but I had enough 'mandatory fun days' while I was in the Military. I'm sure as hell not going to pay to participate in something like this. Just not for me I'm afraid.

I'm actually in two minds. I want people to have fun in any way they choose to, but if this is a success and it gets ported over to 40K, then...

Yeah, just not for me.

So you're not looking forwards to the Horus Heresy: Age of PewPew?

From the review posted earlier in the thread (thanks for the link btw):

He created the Stormhost Eternals, warriors filled to the brim with the holy magic of heaven. Immortal and of super-human strength and build, they are clad in armour of Sigmarite and capable of shooting lighting bolts with their magical weapons.

http://taleofpainters.blogspot.com/2015/07/review-warhammer-age-of-sigmar-starter.html#more

Can someone confirm the above or is it just blogger artistic flourish? I cringe at the idea of the eternals being armored in something that rhymes with ceramite and armed with something that is actually physically in the word "bolter".

 Torga_DW wrote:
So you're not looking forwards to the Horus Heresy: Age of PewPew?

:" a unit of Ultramarines consists of 10 models, however if you choose your unit to take a full chapter of Marines, you get +1 to hit."

 Bottle wrote:
100% the best rule in AoS. Top this:

Pride of the reiksguard: Helborg’s
skill is as legendary as his moustache is magnificent. You can re-roll any failed hit rolls when attacking with the Runefang
so long as you have a bigger and more impressive moustache than your opponent.

Wait, is that true? So you're basically fethed if you're female. Huh.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Am I missing something here, or is this new "warhammer" literally just running and charging at the enemy with pretty much zero subtlety?

It's like 10-15% of last edition.

Warhammer: Lobotomy Edition

I know they continue to tell us that they're a model company first and a games company second, but this is ridiculous.

I've been playing just with the starter set and been pleasantly surprised by the subtlety, or strategy so far. Gets a lot better i think with more and different figures. Not a lot of magic and shooting in the starter set, but a lot of special abilities.

And of course, Khorne should be running screaming at the enemy

 heartserenade wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
100% the best rule in AoS. Top this:

Pride of the reiksguard: Helborg’s
skill is as legendary as his moustache is magnificent. You can re-roll any failed hit rolls when attacking with the Runefang
so long as you have a bigger and more impressive moustache than your opponent.

Wait, is that true? So you're basically fethed if you're female. Huh.

Wear a fake mustache when rolling for Helborg?

 mikhaila wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Am I missing something here, or is this new "warhammer" literally just running and charging at the enemy with pretty much zero subtlety?

It's like 10-15% of last edition.

Warhammer: Lobotomy Edition

I know they continue to tell us that they're a model company first and a games company second, but this is ridiculous.

I've been playing just with the starter set and been pleasantly surprised by the subtlety, or strategy so far. Gets a lot better i think with more and different figures. Not a lot of magic and shooting in the starter set, but a lot of special abilities.

And of course, Khorne should be running screaming at the enemy

Mikhalia, can you take a peek at the fluff section and see if the eternal shoot bolts of lightning and are armored in sigmarite? See my above post for why.

 mikhaila wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Am I missing something here, or is this new "warhammer" literally just running and charging at the enemy with pretty much zero subtlety?

It's like 10-15% of last edition.

Warhammer: Lobotomy Edition

I know they continue to tell us that they're a model company first and a games company second, but this is ridiculous.

I've been playing just with the starter set and been pleasantly surprised by the subtlety, or strategy so far. Gets a lot better i think with more and different figures. Not a lot of magic and shooting in the starter set, but a lot of special abilities.

And of course, Khorne should be running screaming at the enemy

Are shooting armies at a big advantage? I am liking more and more what I am seeing, but would like to know how that works.

 Xyxox wrote:
And GW is still playing this as if it's a serious wargame:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFyPbghStRo

If it wasn't so comical, I might actually cry.

The best part is that the soundtrack is from Space Marine.

It's like they are being self-ironic.

So I was just reading through the Scenery BattleScroll, and ran across the entry for the Balewind Vortex.

If you own the model, your wizards automatically know the spell that can summon it and it gives you an in-game advantage at no in-game cost.

That is brazenly "pay to win"...

I understand that most games have a degree if "pay to win" in that if one player has more models/options/whatever he has an advantage. No problem. And I know that friends can "agree" use a non-GW models as a "counts as" Balestorm Vortex. But at a GW store? Or in a pick-up game where someone might not agree?

Which now makes the "free" rules and BattleScrolls make sense.

GW is attempting to implement the Freemium App model for miniatures games.

Yeah... Out of principle I don't support any freemium Apps, and I sure ain't gonna support freemium miniatures games. The incetive there is to make a game that's *just* good enough to get you to start playing, but not good enough that you feel compelled to make the additional purchases. Southpark nailed it.

Maybe it's an overreaction to one BattleScroll, but if this is where GW is going, I think I am completely done with GW now across the board.

Valete,

JohnS

 pretre wrote:
One Bat Short of a Belfry: Konrad is a
violent lunatic, and his temper does little
to help his stretched sanity. If, during
your hero phase, you talk to Konrad von
Carstein, you can re-roll all hit rolls of
1 for him until your next hero phase. If
Konrad von Carstein talks back to you,
re‑roll all failed hit rolls instead.

This is the best rule I have ever seen.

 warboss wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Am I missing something here, or is this new "warhammer" literally just running and charging at the enemy with pretty much zero subtlety?

It's like 10-15% of last edition.

Warhammer: Lobotomy Edition

I know they continue to tell us that they're a model company first and a games company second, but this is ridiculous.

I've been playing just with the starter set and been pleasantly surprised by the subtlety, or strategy so far. Gets a lot better i think with more and different figures. Not a lot of magic and shooting in the starter set, but a lot of special abilities.

And of course, Khorne should be running screaming at the enemy

Mikhalia, can you take a peek at the fluff section and see if the eternal shoot bolts of lightning and are armored in sigmarite? See my above post for why.

They absolutely wear 'Sigmarite' armor and wield 'Lightning Hammers'. It's in a few spoiled page screenshots before. They're also the mightiest mortals who are elevated to 'demigodhood' and end up taller, stronger than normal men, in service of their Immortal God-king...

So yeah. Literal space marines. They even have a deployment rule identical to drop pods...

Confused. I've been reading the warscrolls and in the vampire counts ones they say Death Wizards know spells. But no one has that as a special tag. Some have Death and Wizard but there are no death wizards. Even the Necromancers were referenced as deathmage in their scroll.

Other than that god I wish there was a balance mechanism cause this looks so damn fun!

Note that it seems it won't be straight forward to make all the goofy gimmick stuff just auto-pass. For example, this one doesn't work under that approach:

Everyone Has Their Price: If Greasus Goldtooth uses this ability, select an enemy unit anywhere on the battlefield and choose one of the effects listed below:

- The unit cannot move in its next turn.
- The unit cannot move, attack or cast spells in its next turn.
- All models in the unit immediately flee.
- The unit changes sides and immediately comes under your control.

Then, offer your opponent a bribe (this can be anything you want to offer). If your opponent accepts your bribe, the chosen effect takes place – otherwise, nothing happens. Players are free to haggle over the offered bribe, or propose a counter-offer...

There is actually sort of an interesting mechanic in that one, but only within the completely unstructured overall mindset of the game.

 cygnnus wrote:

GW is attempting to implement the Freemium App model for miniatures games.

They started treating 40k like it was a free to play game but pay to win... except that it's never free to play. You trade $$ in certain formations straight up for free points as you get free units as long as you actually bought them.

So I guess they're really aiming for this game to be played with friends and not something you can do with strangers. A lot of people would be uncomfortable doing this sort of stuff with strangers.

Also I predict that FLGS and GW stores will be the worst neighbors when someone is playing AoS.

 heartserenade wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
100% the best rule in AoS. Top this:

Pride of the reiksguard: Helborg’s
skill is as legendary as his moustache is magnificent. You can re-roll any failed hit rolls when attacking with the Runefang
so long as you have a bigger and more impressive moustache than your opponent.

Wait, is that true? So you're basically fethed if you're female. Huh.

Pride of the reiksguard: Helborg’s
"moustache is magnificent
You can re-roll any failed hit rolls when attacking with the Runefang..."

rest is a joke from GW.
"...so long as you have a bigger and more impressive moustache than your opponent."

It is curious.. silly rules only appear in old armies, not in the Starter Set

 Hulksmash wrote:
Confused. I've been reading the warscrolls and in the vampire counts ones they say Death Wizards know spells. But no one has that as a special tag. Some have Death and Wizard but there are no death wizards. Even the Necromancers were referenced as deathmage in their scroll.

Other than that god I wish there was a balance mechanism cause this looks so damn fun!

Death wizards are just models with the Death and Wizard keywords.
That means Tomb Kings Liche Preists get to know those spells to (since they are also Death Wizards) and Vampire Count wizards get to know some of the TK spells (like repairing Necrosphinxes, summon Skeleton Archers, etc.)

That is curious. I'm sure a lot of players would be confused when they buy a starter set and someone they're playing with (especially if it's a stranger) starts shouting because reasons.

This is like trying to watch LotR and suddenly Aragorn shouts "LEEROOOY JENKIIIIIINS". Sure it's funny, but in a really bad way.

 cygnnus wrote:
So I was just reading through the Scenery BattleScroll, and ran across the entry for the Balewind Vortex.

If you own the model, your wizards automatically know the spell that can summon it and it gives you an in-game advantage at no in-game cost.

That is brazenly "pay to win"...

I understand that most games have a degree if "pay to win" in that if one player has more models/options/whatever he has an advantage. No problem. And I know that friends can "agree" use a non-GW models as a "counts as" Balestorm Vortex. But at a GW store? Or in a pick-up game where someone might not agree?

Which now makes the "free" rules and BattleScrolls make sense.

GW is attempting to implement the Freemium App model for miniatures games.

Yeah... Out of principle I don't support any freemium Apps, and I sure ain't gonna support freemium miniatures games. The incetive there is to make a game that's *just* good enough to get you to start playing, but not good enough that you feel compelled to make the additional purchases. Southpark nailed it.

Maybe it's an overreaction to one BattleScroll, but if this is where GW is going, I think I am completely done with GW now across the board.

Valete,

JohnS

I will probably spend a litle bit on eBay for 40K just to complete a couple of projects, but after that I'll never purchase another GW product from anywhere ever again. It's not worth the risk.

 Killionaire wrote:


They absolutely wear 'Sigmarite' armor and wield 'Lightning Hammers'. It's in a few spoiled page screenshots before. They're also the mightiest mortals who are elevated to 'demigodhood' and end up taller, stronger than normal men, in service of their Immortal God-king...

So yeah. Literal space marines. They even have a deployment rule identical to drop pods...

Thanks (but not really as it is stupid beyond belief) for the confirmation. For all those folks who decried the calls of the sigmarines being space marine copies, is there anyone that doesn't believe that now that GW is literally rhyming and reusing the same words as in 40k to describe both their arms and armaments on top of all the rest of the similarities both in looks and fluff? Sounds like it's time for an apology from all those folks who kept saying it wasn't so since apparently GW has officially run out of ideas. I anxiously await the vigorous mia culpas from the folks who so vocally declared that the similarities were either imagined or skin deep.

Lots of info on Ophidian Gate:




that part starts around 4:45

Do we know how the chaos minis compare size wise to the existing range... i'm just wondering if new stuff for existing armies will blend or not.

This isn't a game without points, formations, or some way to level opponents. That's like saying you can play monopoly but you can just take as many properties as you want. Also money. And pieces. So buy multiple monopoly boxes. o.0

Tank_Dweller wrote:
Do we know how the chaos minis compare size wise to the existing range... i'm just wondering if new stuff for existing armies will blend or not.

I gave a link to the box on gw website everyone is ignoring for some reason the big red guy is hellbrute size

Technically it is a game, just not a balanced one. (To be a game it need to have rules and both a win and lose state. AoS fulfills those requirements).

Anyone find chaos dwarfs? I thought they'd be in chaos warriors, but only saw the hellcannon.

At a hotel with terrible wifi, on phone so sorting through these PDFs is a chore.

So far from what people have said, this sounds like it'd be fun with my friends, but embarrassing with strangers.

I'd rather start KoW. I'm going to try and talk my friends into trying both games before committing.

I would have more fun playing a balanced game than acting silly... Especially with strangers.

Tank_Dweller wrote:
Do we know how the chaos minis compare size wise to the existing range... i'm just wondering if new stuff for existing armies will blend or not.

This was posted earlier:



They're huge.

Do we know if GW is okay? Has someone checked on them?

The last couple of games were "Grandma calling you the wrong name." But its getting to be like when Grandma puts her cat in the freezer, and you need to decide if Grandma needs help, or if that's just, like, her "cat freezer."