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Just getting back into 40k and the new way you put armies together is a but confusing.

So the codex tells you how to build each army. But the rule book also has a basic FOC.

Can you use the rule book FOC if using say necrons who have their own FOC laid out in their codex?

The unbound is literally running whatever you want.

Basically I am asking to be "bound" do you use the codex or main rule book? Then unbound is w.e you want?

You can use whatever you want as long as it doesn't break a Restriction. So you can use any FOC that fits that bill. CAD, Necron, any of the Necron Formations, they're all legal. What you can't do is use the Dark Eldar one that says 'All units in this Detachment must be of the Dark Eldar Faction or have no Faction.'

To be a Bound army, all your units have to be organised into Detachments. Detachments list restrictions on how many units in each Force Org slot (Troops/Elites/FA/Heavy etc) you can take, but also offer bonuses to units in that Detachment. A unit can only ever belong to one Detachment.

The basic Detachment is the Combined Arms Detachment from the BRB. It is effectively the same as the old 6th Edition Force Org Chart. If you organise your army according to the CAD, then you will be Bound and you will gain the benefit of your Troop choices being Objective Secured. All the new 7th Edition codexes have unique Detachments available to their faction, which their respective codex will tell you the details. The Necron Decurion Detachment is one of those.

Formations are a special kind of Detachment, in that they will list exactly what specific units you must take and any upgrades those units must take. Otherwise, they act exactly like any other Detachment.

A Bound Army can have any number of Detachments. As long as every unit belongs to a Detachment, your army is Bound.

Ty for clearing that up gents.

As has been mentioned above, a "Battle-Forged" list is comprised of 1 or more Detachments, and all units must belong to a detachment. If a unit doesn't belong to a detachment, the entire list becomes Unbound. [40k RB, pg 117, "Battle-forged Armies".]

In general, a unit can only belong to one detachment / formation / dataslate. For example, a Chaos Marine player might take a unit of "Chosen". That unit could belong to a Combined Arms Detachment, Cypher's Fallen Angels Formation, or... something else. Necrons are the only exception that I'm aware of, in that they can take units that belong to the Decurion Detachment [gaining their command benefits] while also belonging to a Formation outlined in the book [gaining those command benefits as well]. To the best of my knowledge, anyway.

Detachments tend to be pretty flexible in what they take. They'll often [always?] have a minimum requirement, such as the CAD's 1 HQ + 2 TR minimum, and then a selection of additional units that may be taken. Formations tend to be less flexible, sometimes entirely specific in what may be taken. For example, the Blood Angels have access to the "Archangels Orbital Intervention Force" that consists of 3 units of Terminators / Assault Terminators... and that's it. Exactly 3 units of Termies. Instead of having ObSec as a Command Benefit [like a CAD would] they must be deployed from DS reserve, roll as one "unit" to see if they show up, and they can run and shoot the turn they drop down. I mean, it's not that useful, but ObSec would be useless, so there is that.

Even at maximum size, the Archangels Orbital Intervention Force would top out around 1350 points. Thankfully, you can take as many detachments as you like, so if you're playing 2000 points you could then spend the remainder on a different detachment, such as a CAD.

Detachments are alllllll over the place. There are a couple in the Rule Book, most Codices have them now, they show up in Campaign Supplements [Such as the Shield of Baal Campaign books] and they've been released in White Dwarves. Some are only available as digital downloads, such as the Be'Lakor dataslate that only contains a single Daemon Prince unit. I think it's only available in digital format, anyhow.

As long as you can wrap yourself around the idea that any "group" of units that are described anywhere is considered a Detachment, and you can take as many detachments as you like in a Battle-Forged list, and that the old FOC of yesteryear is only one type of detachment, instead of being the only detachment, you're good to go.

 Soccerlfb6 wrote:
Just getting back into 40k and the new way you put armies together is a but confusing.

So the codex tells you how to build each army. But the rule book also has a basic FOC.

Can you use the rule book FOC if using say necrons who have their own FOC laid out in their codex?

The unbound is literally running whatever you want.

Basically I am asking to be "bound" do you use the codex or main rule book? Then unbound is w.e you want?

I had this same question a while back. Someone sent me to this link and the picture helped it make a lot more sense.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jcf1KvimmAg/VHpJsePniiI/AAAAAAAAAgU/XlLHk77iXTQ/s1600/Battle%2BForged%2BArmy.jpg

Hope it helps.

Sure, you could look for a simplified answer to make life easier - and some people have provided that...

But that's weakness. This is the 40,000 Millennium and the Administratum of Terra (GW) is all about over-complicating things with bureaucracy. Here, have the Ad Terra version all mapped out



Clear as day *cough* (if you happen to live on Nocturne)

Notice the big '6th Edition' on that? That's worthless now and only shows what a CAD and Inquisition Detachment is in a convoluted way. Doesn't actually help anyone when there are dozens of Detachments you can take INSTEAD pf a CAD and there is no '2000pts or higher' limit on them. You can take as many as you like.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
Notice the big '6th Edition' on that? That's worthless now and only shows what a CAD and Inquisition Detachment is in a convoluted way. Doesn't actually help anyone when there are dozens of Detachments you can take INSTEAD pf a CAD and there is no '2000pts or higher' limit on them. You can take as many as you like.

You... you realise it was a joke right? right?

People get confused enough with how it currently is that they don't need to be shown how confusing it USED to be. Doesn't help out the person asking for help and can give them wrong information. Never underestimate the internet's ability to misunderstand.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
People get confused enough with how it currently is that they don't need to be shown how confusing it USED to be. Doesn't help out the person asking for help and can give them wrong information. Never underestimate the internet's ability to misunderstand.

Oh jeeze, I'm sorry internet police officer - I look up to you as an example of how to be an absolutely amazing person on the internet. Truely you have taught me and everyone else a lesson.

I'm sure the OP isn't daft enough to take that clearly satirical post as actual advice... as you seem to have done.

 Wulfmar wrote:

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
People get confused enough with how it currently is that they don't need to be shown how confusing it USED to be. Doesn't help out the person asking for help and can give them wrong information. Never underestimate the internet's ability to misunderstand.

Oh jeeze, I'm sorry internet police officer - I look up to you as an example of how to be an absolutely amazing person on the internet. Truely you have taught me and everyone else a lesson.

I'm sure the OP isn't daft enough to take that clearly satirical post as actual advice... as you seem to have done.

Simmer down, keyboard warriors.