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While lacking the charisma of Horus, I could see the possibility of Perturabo being the architect of the heresy. Along the same lines as other recent threads, I pose two questions
1. How feasible would it be to consider Perturabo as warmaster, or arch heretic, and executor of the heresy barring him being warmaster?
2. If that premise is sound, what would have been done differently In your opinion?

My answer:
1. I think that with the support of the right Primarchs, such as fulgrim, Leman Russ ( although I’m not sure how he would secure Russ’ support) or possibly even The Kahn, he could muster the legions necessary to mount a successful coup. I also think it feasibly based on the fact, that if he pulled his iron warriors from the garrisons, it would either create a power vacuum that other legions would have to fill or start rebellions that they would have to go fight, which would weaken the overall defenses. And the fact that Perty was one of the most intelligent, strategically minded, and skilled Primarchs at the long dirty warfare that would be needed to really and truly take Terra, not just attack it.

2. I think the heresy would have been different in that once perturabo had consolidated his forces, and made pacts with mars, as Horus did, his reputation, techno aptitude, he would have brought more of the mechanicus into the fold. That combined with his knowledge of siege warfare, and his willingness to spend ever life and resource at his disposal to achieve his goals would mean that he would have made for mars, and camped out, laying siege to Terra and grinding it down. Idk if he would win but it would have been a long and bloody battle with no real winner. It wouldn't have been as flashy or dramatic, but I think it would have been more effective.

What do you think?

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Exactly like with the Horus Heresy, I think it'd end when someone killed Perturabo in combat. Since the list of Primarchs that could take down Perturabo is much longer than the list of who could take Horus...

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 Jon Garrett wrote:
Perhaps not technically a Marine Chapter anymore, but the Flame Falcons would be pretty creepy to fight.

"Boss, we waz out lookin' for grub when some of them Spice Marines showed up and shot all the lads."

"Right. Well, did you at least use the burnas?"

"We tried, but the gits was already on fire."

"...Kunnin'."
 
   
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I think the difference here would be that Perturabo would see himself as a weakness and ensconce himself in an impregnable fortress on mars, or some place else. He understood that his role would be a coordinator and general not actual combatant. also in a protracted siege scenario, i thin the assault would be constructed such that the death of a single primarch wouldn't let things unravel. Horus barely got to Terra ahead f the reinforcements and wasn't in a defensible position. I'd Like to think that Perty would not put himself in such a precarious position if possible, he had the patience to wait for a better, more well constructed opportunity,

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 EmpNortonII wrote:
Exactly like with the Horus Heresy, I think it'd end when someone killed Perturabo in combat. Since the list of Primarchs that could take down Perturabo is much longer than the list of who could take Horus...


Not quite sure where you get this from, especially since you make it sound like its easy to isolate a Primarch, much less kill them on sight. If you haven't noticed, but the only primarchs that were outright killed throughout and shortly after the Heresy was Manus (who isolated himself and rashly chose to confront Fulgrim based on his need for vengeance, something the calculating Perturabo wouldn't do, as you can see even in the Iron Cage incident with the Imperial Fists), Sanguinius who was isolated by chance from their teleportation being scrambled by Horus' ship and he died because Horus was super-charged with Chaos. Curze himself let the assassin come close to finish him so he doesn't count either.

Not everything in 30-40K comes down to challenges from their leaders, contrary to what the challenges rules may suggest in game, so its never as simple as "I can kill you in a duel, I win". By that logic, Lord Solar Macharius would never have been able to conquer so many planets in such a short period of time.
   
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Horus definitely didn't lack charisma; that's why he was chosen as Warmaster.

Perturabo's charisma was considerably worse than Horus'; the only one as charismatic (and not as in the demagogue way) was Sanguinius.
   
 
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