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Khorne daemonkin
HQ-
Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage(warlord)
Chaos lord, Axe of Khorne, powerfist, juggernaut, Blood forged armor, sigil of corruption
TROOPS
8x CSM with Bolters, pistols, CCWs, melta, combi melta melta bombs champion, in a rhino with combi melta
8x CSM with Bolters, pistols, CCWs, melta, combi melta melta bombs champion, in a rhino with combi melta
8 cultists
FAST ATTACK
Heldrake with baleflamer
5 Bikers with 2 plasmaguns, icon of wrath, champion with Axe of Khorne and combi plasma
CHAOS SPACE MARINES(allied detachment)
HQ- Be'lakor
5x CSM with icon of vengeance
TACTICS: About as straightforward as it gets, bloodthirster and belakor fly to the enemy, and the moment 'thirster lands i cast invisibility on him, so he doesn't get shot to ribbons before he gets to assault,(since no one wants to take 8 D attacks to the face, even at initiative 1 eventually cast shrouding on bikers after their first plasma salvo in order to safely get into CC with 2+ cover from jinking. Will use invisible bloodthirster to hunt down imperial knights/monstrous creatures/TEQs or anything packing loads of powerfists/thunder hammers(one game, 2 knights charged the bloodthirster and he soloed them 2v1 in one round of combat WS10 really helps a lot on that matter) Chaos marines and cultists are for objective camping(the latter can also be used as free blood tithe) Bikers are gonna hunt down anything that isn't TEQ while heldrake vector strikes/burns everything without 2+ armor

My suggestion, would be that for nearly the same price as the 5 marines with icon , you could get 11 horrors of you allied belakor as a daemon instead.

2 extra warp charge will give you confidence in casting invisibility and you should be able to cast shrouding as well.

Not exactly "cheesy" when riptide spam exists... But still it is actually competitive.

 dragoonmaster101 wrote:
Not exactly "cheesy" when riptide spam exists... But still it is actually competitive.

markerlights override invisibility? oh

Riptide spam is cheesy? I haven't seen a tau in the final table at any major tournamnet. That being said marker lights will have to fire snapshots to hit, but once they hit that's it. With two they'll ignore your cover save.

I'd tone down the Juggy Lord and drop the bikes for flesh hounds.

The lord is pretty expensive he is more expensive than a LR if i'm not mistaken. The blood forged armor is way too much for EW and IWND, and so is the axe of khorne for an extra attack with the PF.

Can't imagine when will you use the Axe of Khorne over the powerfist, statistically it is always better to fight with the PF even if you are going at I1, S4 just isn't good.

I assume you are attaching the lord to the bikes, which would make them lose the ability to turbo boost/run, but more importantly the ability to fleet given by the lord. With those points on the bikes you could get 13 flesh hounds which are a lot more wounds for the chaos lord.

Without the axe/bloodforged armor and some extra points from the bikers buff the CSM to 2 so that they can pick the 2nd special weapon

Blood forged armour grants EW and FnP, not IWND. Also, the Juggernaut adds +1 strength, so the axe would be strength 5. And the mark of khonre grants furious charge. So strength 6 ap 2 on the charge at initiative order with a 6 to instant kill..... A lot more effective than you think. The power fist most definitely isn't statistically better in all situations.

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
Blood forged armour grants EW and FnP, not IWND. Also, the Juggernaut adds +1 strength, so the axe would be strength 5. And the mark of khonre grants furious charge. So strength 6 ap 2 on the charge at initiative order with a 6 to instant kill..... A lot more effective than you think. The power fist most definitely isn't statistically better in all situations.

jugger gives me plus 1 T, and i get furious charge from Icon of wrath, resulting in seven S5 AP2 attacks at I5, pretty good for hunting down MCs and instagibbing characters...

Juggernaut gives you more than that. You get +1 strength, +1 toughness, and +1 attack. With furious charge he's strength 6 on the charge.

you get plus one wound, DEFINITELY not strength.... unless they changed it in Daemonkin codex

You're right, +1 wound, 41 toughness and +1 attack. My bad.

Holy smokes, 8 D ST attacks... I have 8 metal blood thirsters... what the hell do I do with them now?

Holy smokes, 8 D ST attacks... I have 8 metal blood thirsters... what the hell do I do with them now?

Run them unbound.....

Wtf....I wonder if I could do that in a tournament.....

Even if not unbound, there's only a minor nurgling/cultist tax..

owch. Good point. Well then... Daemon kin with Daemonkin allies would give 40x cultists and 4x thirsters. Id imagine about 1300-1400 points. Now what ti fill the other 1850 with