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REBELS is awesome and should be watched.

 Manchu wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:
Midichlorians still canon?

Yes.

No. No. That's not true. That's impossible!

Midichlorians, like the whole of the Prequel Trilogy, are only canon... from a certain point of view.

It is easy enough to ignore the midichlorians ... until you remember they are Anakin's father!

 Manchu wrote:
It is easy enough to ignore the midichlorians ... until you remember they are Anakin's father!

If I ignore the whole PT as non-canon, then it doesn't matter who Anakin's father is. It only matters who Luke's father is. And we already know who that was.

 cincydooley wrote:
REBELS is awesome and should be watched.

This man knows what's up.

What do you guys like about Rebels so far?

 Manchu wrote:
What do you guys like about Rebels so far?

The fact that it's Star Wars.




Based on the couple of episodes I watched with my daughters, I found it to be quite enjoyable.

 Flashman wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

I'm no expert on Star Wars history, but has there ever been somebody at one with the force who was neither a Jedi or a Sith, but simply 'neutral?'

Logically, such a person would exist.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gray_Jedi

This reply is directed at Manchu as well as Flashman.


Thanks for the link, but it still doesn't clear up my initial puzzlement over 'neutral' force users.

I don't know if you're familiar with Michael Moorcock's eternal champion series (Elric, Von Bek etc)

but in that series you have the forces of law (which I suppose could be the Jedi) and the forces of Chaos, which could represent the Sith.

Then of course you have the cosmic balance and his agent, the eternal champion, making sure that the balance never tilts in favour of one side.

These 'gray' Jedi seem to be people who can't be bothered with the Jedi council, rather than agents of neutrality being pro-active, and making sure that one side never holds the balance of power.

 Manchu wrote:
What do you guys like about Rebels so far?

- Feels very "early Lucasfilm." It has the same sorta adventure elements that the original trilogy and, to some extent, Indiana Jones did.
- Feels like it fits really well with the Original trilogy in regards to theme and spirit.
- Voice acting is really solid. And I thought I wouldn't like Prinze Jr.
- Ezra has grown significantly as a character and it feels right. Had Anakin Skywalker grown in Episodes 1-3 like Ezra has through the first season, I think people would like 1-3 much, much better.
- Fun new lightsaber designs. Lightsaber with a blaster built in. Spinning lightsaber. Both full of win.
- Animation is top notch.
- Story line about the birth of the Rebellion feels organic, and I personally love the reveal of those behind it.

It struck me as ... dumbed down? I remember seeing episodes of the Clone Wars and thinking, golly this is pretty tense for a show on Cartoon Network. But seeing the kid use his energy slingshot, it just made me roll my eyes.

 Manchu wrote:
It struck me as ... dumbed down? I remember seeing episodes of the Clone Wars and thinking, golly this is pretty tense for a show on Cartoon Network. But seeing the kid use his energy slingshot, it just made me roll my eyes.

Did you watch the full season?

Grey Jedi are Mary Sues who get to have all the power and none of the discipline/codes of the others. They are anathema; fanboy preening at its worst.

I suppose what I liked about Rebels was seeing Stormtroopers, Tie-Fighters, and ISD's again. Brings a tear to my eye.

@Do_I_Not_Like_That

You may have missed my post addendum -- balancing the Force is not about counting up Jedi versus Sith victories or something. The balance is between imminent and transcendent/self and no-self.


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 Ahtman wrote:
I suppose what I liked about Rebels was seeing Stormtroopers, Tie-Fighters, and ISD's again. Brings a tear to my eye.

Yeah I was really excited about all that stuff, too. Very cool!


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 cincydooley wrote:
Did you watch the full season?

No, the episodes I watched felt too cartoony in a bad way.

 Manchu wrote:
@Do_I_Not_Like_That

You may have missed my post addendum -- balancing the Force is not about counting up Jedi versus Sith victories or something. The balance is between imminent and transcendent/self and no-self.


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 Ahtman wrote:
I suppose what I liked about Rebels was seeing Stormtroopers, Tie-Fighters, and ISD's again. Brings a tear to my eye.

Yeah I was really excited about all that stuff, too. Very cool!


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 cincydooley wrote:
Did you watch the full season?

No, the episodes I watched felt too cartoony in a bad way.

I just noticed it, but it still seems like binary choice though, rather than the full spectrum of morality. I'm still looking for those shades of grey

Star wars, eh. I'm arguing about the force at quarter to nine on a Friday night, when I said I'd be down the pub half an hour ago!!

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I'm still looking for those shades of grey

Sure but that is a different point. I am just trying to explain that the balance issue was not between Jedi and Sith on a score board like you seemed to be thinking.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I'm still looking for those shades of grey

Then you are looking in the really wrong place. You might as well expect a car to be a truck.

I should be clear that I am referring to the films, which are much more black and white.

This is as close to shades of grey as SW gets:

 Manchu wrote:


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 cincydooley wrote:
Did you watch the full season?

No, the episodes I watched felt too cartoony in a bad way.

Ahhh.

Show gets a TON better and a little less "kiddy" by about episode 5.

I mean, Kanan get tortured, for instance.

OK well I will give it another try.

I've been watching too many episodes of Game of Thrones. I see treachery everywhere, brother against brother, allies turning on each other...you get the picture

 Manchu wrote:
This is as close to shades of grey as SW gets:

Spoiler:

Or if we're talking seriously, this guy was shades of grey for a short period...

 Manchu wrote:
It struck me as ... dumbed down? I remember seeing episodes of the Clone Wars and thinking, golly this is pretty tense for a show on Cartoon Network. But seeing the kid use his energy slingshot, it just made me roll my eyes.

 Manchu wrote:
No, the episodes I watched felt too cartoony in a bad way.

I have a shocking revelation for you, so stay with me here... it is a cartoon... for kids... on a kids television network.



Look, we are all adults (more or less ) that love Star Wars. For instance, I have a Star Wars tattoo, a display cabinet full of Star Wars models and toys, I have lightsabers and movie posters and other art hanging on my wall, almost all of my tee-shirts are Star Wars related, my daughters and I watch the Original Trilogy at least once a week together, I read them Star Wars-themed books before bed every night... I seriously fething love Star Wars.

But let us not forget, even for a second, that Star Wars is at its very core a children's fairy tale set in outer space. That is why is so endearing to multiple generations.

 Manchu wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Not everyone sees the evil the Empire propagates.

Whether a regime is evil is not a matter of how many people are aware of the evil things it does.

 Grey Templar wrote:
They're sort of like the Nazis in WW2. Even the people in Germany weren't aware of what exactly was going on in the concentration camps.

Well, let's set aside the question of how much ordinary Germans knew. In Star Wars, how many people does it take to crew the Death Star? Just a rough estimate will suffice. And how many of them do you think have no idea what the purpose of the Death Star is?

To borrow from a great clip:

"We serve on the Death Star. It is a star of death. Are we the baddies?"

 Flashman wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
This is as close to shades of grey as SW gets:

Spoiler:

Or if we're talking seriously, this guy was shades of grey for a short period...

Spoiler:

C'mon, Lando was always going to save the day. A blind man could have spotted that from 40 miles away.

 Manchu wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Not everyone sees the evil the Empire propagates.

Whether a regime is evil is not a matter of how many people are aware of the evil things it does.

Definitely. But my point was that most people in the galaxy won't be aware of the evil.

 Grey Templar wrote:
They're sort of like the Nazis in WW2. Even the people in Germany weren't aware of what exactly was going on in the concentration camps.

Well, let's set aside the question of how much ordinary Germans knew. In Star Wars, how many people does it take to crew the Death Star? Just a rough estimate will suffice. And how many of them do you think have no idea what the purpose of the Death Star is?

I doubt the people crewing the Death Star had any illusions to what its purpose was, but I also imagine they were heavily screened and constantly monitored.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
I have a shocking revelation for you, so stay with me here... it is a cartoon... for kids... on a kids television network.

I guess what I mean is, it talks down to kids. Unlike Clone Wars, which was also a cartoon for kids on a kids television network.


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 d-usa wrote:
"We serve on the Death Star. It is a star of death. Are we the baddies?"

LOL exactly.

 Manchu wrote:
This is as close to shades of grey as SW gets:

Spoiler:

I'd shade her grey, if you know what I mean.

Please know what I mean and explain it to me. I have no idea what's going on.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Flashman wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
This is as close to shades of grey as SW gets:

Spoiler:

Or if we're talking seriously, this guy was shades of grey for a short period...

Spoiler:

C'mon, Lando was always going to save the day. A blind man could have spotted that from 40 miles away.

Lando didn't save the day, he tagged along while Leia and Chewie (+ droids) made their escape.

 kronk wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
This is as close to shades of grey as SW gets:

Spoiler:

I'd shade her grey, if you know what I mean.

Please know what I mean and explain it to me. I have no idea what's going on.

Kronk got out again!