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Greetings all.

I'm curious to find out how prescience works in relation to the Deathstrike Missile.

Turn 2, I cast prescience on the Deathstrike and then during the shooting phase I roll the launch dice to see if it can fire, needing a 4+.
Now, logically prescience wouldn't affect this roll I wouldn't think, but then I think of how prescience affects the Gets Hot! roll of a plasma cannon or blast plasma weapon, allowing a re-roll of the Gets Hot! dice. (At least, that's how I interpret prescience to work regarding Gets Hot! blast weapons, if that's not a correct interpretation, someone do please let me know.)

I know that prescience would allow a re-roll of the scatter dice & two D6 used to determine the final rest of the blast, but does it also affect the 4+ "The Hour is Nigh" roll to determine if it can fire in the first place, similar to the way Prescience interacts with the Gets Hot! rule of plasma blast weaponry? (As I interpret it, once again.)

Thanks for any thoughts & feedback regarding this in advance.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

No, it would not.

The interaction of Prescience and Get's Hot! Is because of the way Get's Hot is worded. BRB 164: "If a model has the ability to re-roll its rolls "To Hit" (including because of BS6+ or the Twin-linked special rule), a wound is only suffered if the To Hit re-roll is also a 1. it may also re-roll Gets Hot results of 1 for weapons that do not roll To Hit."

"The Hour is Nigh" provides no special dispensation to re-roll the attempt to fire under any circumstances.

Answers my question then, and my first instinct was correct.

Glad that was clarified. Appreciate it Lendys.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst

Its a 3+ on turn 2 as well....

you can even fire it turn 1 of you go second - which is when you need a 4+ to fire it

 Massaen wrote:
you can even fire it turn 1 of you go second - which is when you need a 4+ to fire it

Not everyone would agree with you. This came up over on warseer. The weapon can't fire "on the first turn of the game", but the rulebook says that "turn" means "player turn" "unless it specifically says 'game turn'"
So...
Some people argue that "first turn of the game" means first player turn of the game, allowing the deathstrike to launch on the first game turn if the Guard went second.
Other people argue that "first turn of the game" is intended to mean "first game turn".
I don't want to go offtopic, though, so I'm not going to add anything else. If anyone wants to have a debate, it probably belongs in a new thread. Or this thread, after renaming it to "Firing the Deathstrike - The Hour is Nigh".

Yup - that sums it up! YMDC is generally RAW and the way it's written tells us first turn - which means player turn because of the rule book... And as such can be fired turn 1 if you go second. I get the argument but RAW is clear here

From the Deathstrike Missile rules:

The Deathstrike Missile Launcher may not fire on the first turn of the game...

The first turn of the game = the first game turn.

I can see a RAI reason for it be first player turn as the RAW argument goes.

If gives your opponent at least 1 turn to try to crack it open with long range fire, or at the very least to spread out their army to try to avoid the Apocalyptic blast that is heading for them. On a normal 4'X6' you have 6-8 sq feet to deploy in. In that first movement phase you have a chance to scatter out into the rest of the board to try to avoid fire.

I have a buddy who loved to gun-line it up behind an Aegis. I would have loved to have one of these puppies in the corner away from him in our vanguard deployment, hold the flanks to keep it safe...and just drop this in the middle of his huge gun-line. The casualties could have been enormous.

 Ghaz wrote:
From the Deathstrike Missile rules:

The Deathstrike Missile Launcher may not fire on the first turn of the game...

The first turn of the game = the first game turn.

Not true. If you go first then you have the first turn of the game. In the context of the rule book it would need to say "may not fire in the first game turn" to prohibit turn 1 shooting. Turn means player turn unless explicitly stating game turn

Which would mean that "of the game" serves absolutely no purpose.

 Massaen wrote:
Not true. If you go first then you have the first turn of the game.

Nope. You have the first player's turn, which is different than the first turn of the game.

Yet it was also the first turn of that game. WHen asked "what is the first turn of a 6 game turn game", the answer "player 1s turn" is precisely correct.

The rule is currently redundant. First turn of the game is not equivalent to first game turn.