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Hi.... I about to Re-re-restart an BA army...For real is the third time.... New miniatures are way too cool,the New codex is Interesting,the 7th ed. even if it looks "meh" to me,it looks like GW is giving all the love to the 40k. Plus the rumors about the 9th ed of Fantasy and the ETC campaign sucked up almost all enthusiasm for that game.
This said,I am gonna be more of a collectionist and a painter this time than an hard core player. Still I wanna be at least a bit comptetitve without loosing my fluff.
Main reason why I keep on playn BA is the RT and the DC. Simple as that . I LOVE that stuff!!!

So my idea of game play is to keep enemy pinned down meanwhile I get in CC ASAP with DC and DC Dreddy to smash up faces. Later on i will add Terminators. Or Dyn Tryn. That is my 50 cent. ^_^

However,please I am open to any tactic discussion and models suggestion as I am gonna buy the models in the end of the month ( next check...this month is a desolation...)

+++ BA new (997pts) +++

++ Blood Angels: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++

+ (No Category) +

Relics and Detachment-rules [Codex: Blood Angels]

+ HQ +

Librarian (Terminator) [Force Weapon, Psychic Hood, Warlord]

+ Elites +

Death Company Dreadnought [Blood Talons, Magna-grapple, Searchlight, Storm bolter and heavy flamer]
····Drop Pod [Storm Bolter]

Death Company Squad [5x Bolt Pistol, 2x Chainsword, 5x Death Company Marine, Frag and Krak grenades, Power Fist, 2x Power Weapon]
····Rhino [Overcharged engines, Searchlight, Smoke launchers, Storm Bolter]

+ Troops +

Tactical Squad [Frag and Krak grenades, Multi-melta, 8x Tactical Marine]
····Tactical Sergeant [Boltgun, Chainsword]

Tactical Squad [Frag and Krak grenades, Multi-melta, 8x Tactical Marine]
····Tactical Sergeant [Boltgun, Chainsword]

+ Heavy Support +

Baal Predator [Overcharged engines, Searchlight, Smoke launchers, Twin-linked Assault Cannon]

Devastator Squad [4x Devastator Marine, Frag and Krak grenades, 2x Lascannon, Missile launcher (with Flakk), Plasma cannon]
····Devastator Sergeant [Boltgun, Chainsword, Signum]

maybe drop the dev squad and dc rhino and put dc and dc dread into a stormraven? fluffy and powerful

also stormraven is an awesome model/centerpiece cant wait to paint mine


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also give tac squads heavy flamers and meltagun, they are the only ones that can take heavy flamers and they come in the new kit


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term armor libby i would only run with terminators, the new assault term kit for bloodangels is awesome though

in 1000 pts run normal libby or a chaplain with the dc in the stormraven

another interesting idea is run a librarian dreadnaught as your hq instead of term libby

Hell isn't it a bit cheesy a stormraven at 1000 pts?

However I changed a bit the list and this is what I got:



+ HQ +

Librarian [Bolt Pistol, Force Weapon, Psyker (ML2), The Veritas Vitae, Warlord]

+ Elites +

Death Company Squad [4x Bolt Pistol, Bolter, 2x Chainsword, 5x Death Company Marine, Jump Pack, Power Fist, 2x Power Weapon]

Furioso Dreadnought [Magna-grapple]
····Drop Pod [Storm Bolter]
····Power Fists [Frag cannon, Storm bolter]

+ Troops +

Scout Squad [Camo Cloaks, Missile Launcher, 4x Scouts, 3x Sniper Rifle]
····Scout Sergeant [Chainsword]

Tactical Squad [Heavy flamer, Rhino, 9x Tactical Marine]
····Tactical Sergeant [Boltgun, Chainsword, Melta Bombs]

+ Heavy Support +

Baal Predator [Flamestorm Cannon, Heavy Flamers]

Devastator Squad [4x Devastator Marine, 2x Lascannon, Missile launcher, Plasma cannon]
····Devastator Sergeant [Boltgun, Chainsword]

nah cheesy would be taking 2 at 1000 points

drop the flamer sponsons off the pred they dont add much

you might find flamer pred underwhelming fast vindicator could be a better choice

your list doesnt seem to be taking advantage of the +1 init and str on the charge

maybe change scouts and devs for some assault squads or assault termies, blood angels are abit better at assaulting than being shooty, their 'chapter tactics' dont give shooty bonuses like vanilla marines

I completely missed that the Baal lost outflanking...

This is how I believe is gonna looks like my first 1000 points than:

+ HQ +

Chaplain [Bolt Pistol, Crozius Arcanum, Jump pack]

+ Elites +

Death Company Squad [4x Bolt Pistol, Bolter, 2x Chainsword, 5x Death Company Marine, Jump Pack, Power Fist, 2x Power Weapon]

Terminator Assault Squad [Company Standard (replaces a Claw or Shield), 2x Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield, Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield, 2x Twin Lightning Claws]

+ Troops +

Scout Squad [Camo Cloaks, 4x Scouts, 4x Sniper Rifle]
····Scout Sergeant [Chainsword, Retain melee weapon, Sniper Rifle]

Tactical Squad [Heavy flamer, Rhino, 9x Tactical Marine]
····Tactical Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Chainsword]

+ Heavy Support +

Devastator Squad [4x Devastator Marine, 2x Lascannon]
····Devastator Sergeant [Boltgun, Chainsword]

Vindicator [Overcharged engines]

Looks good,

I plugged it into battlescribe, with that you have 25 points left

Would use it to beef up the tactical squad with some gear, maybe add:

5 - flamer
10 - teleport homer on sergeant so the termies can deepstrike without mishaping
10 - combi-flamer on sergeant

That should turn them into a killer anti infantry with a heavy flamer, flamer and combi flamer

Not to mention, till the rhino pops you can shoot the flamer/heavy flamer out of the firepoints.

And being able to put down terminators with no scatter is sweet, and remember you can run them right after they deepstrike to spread them out and get a better position.

Also, if the teleport homer is in the rhino you can deepstrike the termies as if the entire rhino is the teleport homer.

Not to mention if something charges the tacticals then they will get 3 d3 auto flamer hits on overwatch.

 chaosmarauder wrote:
Looks good,

I plugged it into battlescribe, with that you have 25 points left

Would use it to beef up the tactical squad with some gear, maybe add:

5 - flamer
10 - teleport homer on sergeant so the termies can deepstrike without mishaping
10 - combi-flamer on sergeant

That should turn them into a killer anti infantry with a heavy flamer, flamer and combi flamer

Not to mention, till the rhino pops you can shoot the flamer/heavy flamer out of the firepoints.

And being able to put down terminators with no scatter is sweet, and remember you can run them right after they deepstrike to spread them out and get a better position.

Also, if the teleport homer is in the rhino you can deepstrike the termies as if the entire rhino is the teleport homer.

Not to mention if something charges the tacticals then they will get 3 d3 auto flamer hits on overwatch.

PS this goes under Baal strike OFC!
?
My battlescribe says is 1000 square,am i missing something?

Write out your full list with points for each unit?

I wrote just cause have been asked to.

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ya just put points total for each unit

I would probably drop 1 power weapon on dc for teleport homer and flamer on tacticals

Thanks I'll keep that in mind


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 MadMaverick76 wrote:
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Do you have any other constructive critique?
You seems an old hard core gamer,I might use your wisdom

 Emicrania wrote:
Thanks I'll keep that in mind


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 MadMaverick76 wrote:
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Do you have any other constructive critique?
You seems an old hard core gamer,I might use your wisdom

Your sarcasm(?) aside, the list is too diverse. I would drop the terminators as much as possible, and use the points in other places. The scouts seem a bit out of place. If this is your style, so be it, but it just seems a little all over the place. I have found either going full-mech or full jump pack/dp most effective for me.

I think if you make some moves, you could add either a Dread in a DP or a Tactical Squad with all flamers in DP. This would give you a good distraction as you move your vindicator, DC, and rhino tactical squad up. Blood Angels excel at CC/Assault, so harness that, if you really want the lascannons, bring a Storm Raven, and maybe put your DC in that with your Chaplain.

 MadMaverick76 wrote:

 Emicrania wrote:
Thanks I'll keep that in mind


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 MadMaverick76 wrote:
Remove individual point costs, violates forum rules.

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Do you have any other constructive critique?
You seems an old hard core gamer,I might use your wisdom

Your sarcasm(?) aside, the list is too diverse. I would drop the terminators as much as possible, and use the points in other places. The scouts seem a bit out of place. If this is your style, so be it, but it just seems a little all over the place. I have found either going full-mech or full jump pack/dp most effective for me.

I think if you make some moves, you could add either a Dread in a DP or a Tactical Squad with all flamers in DP. This would give you a good distraction as you move your vindicator, DC, and rhino tactical squad up. Blood Angels excel at CC/Assault, so harness that, if you really want the lascannons, bring a Storm Raven, and maybe put your DC in that with your Chaplain.

There was no sarcasm,just an inoffensive provocation towards a potential "sensei"

I am in the process of buying everything new so I am open to any kind of changes. I playd the 7th not enough to grasp really how to move, I did felt outmaneuvered and all over the places struggling to get some VP together.

I do not like all Mech and I used to play mostly Assault squad,Stormraven and 10 strong DC with JP ,termi with libby and Outflanking Baal. Too often I found myself with only a couple of troops on the board.

My thought was to have 3 keypoint:

CC with DC and Termi
Mobility and distraction with scouts and Tactical
Firepower with the Devastator and the Vindicator.

I saw that you are missing the starter army for BA, this could be a great opportunity than!
I will work a bit on the list and post it back. Still is also a bit moneywise. Not too much,but GW is still Gw....

Those starter lists are a bit dated, I tried to do an update around beginning of 7th, but most of the armies are still pretty good to start with. In regards to your army, the break up of your army would make taking it out piece meal not too difficult. I would try to take the vindicators in twos if possible, they are a heck of a combo. I would drop the scouts for a naked tactical squad, I find them more durable. The devastators may end up getting left behind though, that's my only concern. I like the mix of DPs and JP because the DP will take firepower away from your vindicators/JP as they charge in. If you squeeze in three DPs, you could guarantee two turn one, it would also give you tactical flexibility depending on the situation. The bottom line is you want a anti-horde and an anti-tank DPs to change out as needed. The third could be whatever you like, even empty if need be? I apologize for the rambling....

 MadMaverick76 wrote:
Those starter lists are a bit dated, I tried to do an update around beginning of 7th, but most of the armies are still pretty good to start with. In regards to your army, the break up of your army would make taking it out piece meal not too difficult. I would try to take the vindicators in twos if possible, they are a heck of a combo. I would drop the scouts for a naked tactical squad, I find them more durable. The devastators may end up getting left behind though, that's my only concern. I like the mix of DPs and JP because the DP will take firepower away from your vindicators/JP as they charge in. If you squeeze in three DPs, you could guarantee two turn one, it would also give you tactical flexibility depending on the situation. The bottom line is you want a anti-horde and an anti-tank DPs to change out as needed. The third could be whatever you like, even empty if need be? I apologize for the rambling....

Great suggestions. Right now I'm too noob for use the drop pod correctly and I'm not a big fan of them. For now.
I gave it a thought and I think that maybe I found a nice list to play. I love the DC so much that I can't play without DC dreddy n DC JPs without feeling guilty.
This is what I came out with:

+++ Ba (1000pts) +++

++ Blood Angels: Codex (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++

+ (No Category) +

Relics and Detachment-rules
····Codex: Blood Angels [Baal Strike Force]

+ HQ +

Chaplain [Bolt Pistol, Crozius Arcanum, Jump pack, Warlord]

+ Elites +

Death Company Dreadnought [Blood Talons, Magna-grapple, Meltagun and storm bolter]

Death Company Squad [4x Bolt Pistol, Bolter, 2x Chainsword, 5x Death Company Marine, Jump Pack, Power Fist, 2x Power Weapon]

+ Troops +

Scout Squad [4x Scouts, 4x Sniper Rifle]
····Scout Sergeant [Chainsword, Sniper Rifle]

Tactical Squad [Heavy flamer, Rhino, 9x Tactical Marine]
····Tactical Sergeant [Boltgun, Chainsword]

+ Heavy Support +

Stormraven Gunship [Extra Armour, Twin Linked Lascannon, Twin-linked Multi-melta]

Vindicator [Overcharged engines]

Of course dreddy,DC and chaplain goes in the stormraven.
Is the R-team back!

"R" stay for raping

hmm, your scout squad and tac squad with rhino add up to 255 points

for the same points you could take

5 man tac squad with heavy flamer in a razorback with twin link assault cannons

and

5 man tac squad with a lascannon

just something to think about is how to get the most out of those 255 points of troop choices and what the plan is for them

 chaosmarauder wrote:
hmm, your scout squad and tac squad with rhino add up to 255 points

for the same points you could take

5 man tac squad with heavy flamer in a razorback with twin link assault cannons

and

5 man tac squad with a lascannon

just something to think about is how to get the most out of those 255 points of troop choices and what the plan is for them

I like your thinking man.
Just one question, why not lascannon and twin plasma cannon?

I saw this batrep once where a guy was using an iron fist tournament list with like 6 razorbacks with twin link autocannons...you've never seen such devestation, he annihilated the grey knights he was fighting

you almost always hit with all 4 shots

its 2 to wound almost every infantry

for every 6 you roll on wounding it turns into ap2 or if shooting a vehicle its str 6 + 6 + an additional d3 for penetration (so good chance to glance or even pen av 14)

It left a lasting impression, needless to say I am slowly collecting autocannon razorbacks (cept I will try them with blood angels) I think an overcharged engine version will be cool.

 chaosmarauder wrote:
I saw this batrep once where a guy was using an iron fist tournament list with like 6 razorbacks with twin link autocannons...you've never seen such devestation, he annihilated the grey knights he was fighting

you almost always hit with all 4 shots

its 2 to wound almost every infantry

for every 6 you roll on wounding it turns into ap2 or if shooting a vehicle its str 6 + 6 + an additional d3 for penetration (so good chance to glance or even pen av 14)



It left a lasting impression, needless to say I am slowly collecting autocannon razorbacks (cept I will try them with blood angels) I think an overcharged engine version will be cool.

Uhm..u are really convincing...but why not using that on stormraven too also?

i guess you could, why not
btw i meant twin link assault cannons not auto cannons but i think you know what i meant

Yeye, I just thought the lascannon is more a treath for vehicle and considering that the vindicator is the only real treath to them,maybe was better to have that on the razorback

Here is the link for the iron hand vs grey knight batrep where he uses twink link assault cannon razorbacks, let me know if this convinces you. Overall I think that twin link AC just work better against all types of troops not just vehicles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_x8a0bZvbc

Back in 5th the debate was between the tlac or the tlplas/lascannon. I never chose a side really as I always alternated depending on my opponent.

 MadMaverick76 wrote:
Back in 5th the debate was between the tlac or the tlplas/lascannon. I never chose a side really as I always alternated depending on my opponent.

That i feel is the right decision,even if the video is pretty convincing ^.~, on the base of what would you alternate them thought? Tlac vs infantry and tlpc vs mech? Or the other way around. I played last time 5th and than first 2 months of 7th...

Usually tlac vs infantry, tlplas vs mech. Seemed to work best especially with the fast vehicle rules BA had.