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 Nem wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:

 Nem wrote:
You can pivot during movement, and you measure movement before doing the move. Measuring tells you where your hull may move up to, including any pivots.

Which was proven flawed in the previous discussion.... The two example given above show exactly why.

If you measure your "bubble" before you move, then the rule that says that you pivot on the centre point instead of wheeling around a side edge would be redundant. Because you could wheel around and drive in zig-zags between any terrain, Unit or other, and "finish" your move as normal infantry might do....

There's no need to measure a bubble, you measure from the side of the vehicle you want to move, and move the model there. If there is a corner, you measure say, 3 and 3 then move, or stick your tape around the corner.

I don't think there's a model you can really pierce this distance with when you are measuring the full distance before you move on the correct facing. I did quite extensive testing with a DE raider - at some points you could if you measured from the side with a wider area and moved it up to the part with a thinner area but in general, if you measure from the same point and move it up to that point including the pivots as you go I found it didn't breach (other than bad MM measurement).

And that "measure 3 and 3 then move" combined with "if you measure from the same point and move it up to that point including the pivots as you go" is indeed exactly how i read the RaW:
With "the same point" being the spot about their centre-point. Then the rules work fine:
You measure 3", pivot, measure some more, pivot ect.

Nothing stops you either from pivoting first, and then moving 6" or 12" in a certain direction. "Which direction" does not matter because it is equidistant from the centre point (whichever way you were facing, or end up facing)

Well it works fine if your doing it from a point on the side of the hull, so why do we have to make up things like the center? I feel like were making up things to fix problem that don't exist.

Just measure the full distance then move. Or measure a facing to 3, then a different facing for the last 3 - the same side should be measured or your just doing the same thing as jumping the tape measure like in the movement distance first example, we measure from a ''side'' of a model if you like for a reason, so we don't add distance. I don't think this should not apply to vehicles.



If people have a problem knowing how to place a tape measure from the side of the hull, count to 6 on it, then move the same facing up to that point we have bigger problems.

 Nem wrote:
Well it works fine if your doing it from a point on the side of the hull, so why do we have to make up things like the center? I feel like were making up things to fix problem that don't exist.

Just measure the full distance then move. Or measure a facing to 3, then a different facing for the last 3 - the same side should be measured or your just doing the same thing as jumping the tape measure like in the movement distance first example, we measure from a ''side'' of a model if you like for a reason, so we don't add distance. I don't think this should not apply to vehicles.



If people have a problem knowing how to place a tape measure from the side of the hull, count to 6 on it, then move the same facing up to that point we have bigger problems.

Well i don't think there is an issue then:
If you are allowing measurement from the side of a DE Raider, move 6", and then pivot, pointing the prow towards that side then we are in agreement.

Same as how i was describing measuring from the centre point:
1- a DE Raider deployed pointing forward has "the spot about their centre-point" about 3" from the deployment line (as no part of the Hull can go over).
2- a DE Raider deployed sideways has "the spot about their centre-point" about 0.5" from the deployment line.

So at the end of Turn 1, whichever way any of the 2 Raider are facing, if they both moved 6" towards the enemy, one is definitely closer.