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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/29 17:01:46
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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Hey guys, I'm just wondering what the community thinks is the best way to field LRBTs. I've heard that sponsons should be avoided to keep the cost down and that hull weapons should be limited to flamers or heavy bolters. Is this generally accepted? Which variants are best?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/29 17:12:22
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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"LRBT" specificlally refers to the Battle Cannon variant which because of Ordnance fires everything else as Snap Fire so should not spend points on guns it can't shoot.
The non-ordnance variants can buy sponsons fine.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/29 17:13:38
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
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Krieg Russ's usually have no sponsons but personally, I prefer the heavy bolster sponsons on my Cadians with a battle cannon and either a lascannon or heavy bolter on the hull. However, it really depends on the objective I'm trying to achieve at the time such as anti-personnel loadouts or anti-vehicular loadouts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/29 17:27:59
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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Depends on what the main gun is. If it is an Ordnance weapon it's not worth investing the points in sponsons, because you'd be forced to snap fire them.
If it's not an Ordnance weapon, then pick the weapons which best fit the same role as the main gun (since they must all shoot at the same target). I.e. Vanquisher + hull Lascannon. Punisher with heavy bolters all round.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 04:50:52
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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So I have 6 Leman Russes, 5 of which I bought second hand. I've removed the sponsons from some of the Battlecannon models but they all have hull-mounted lascannons that are pretty well glued in there. The only non-standard one I have is an Eradicator. This is kind of what I was thinking:
Squadron 1
Leman Russ Battle Tank, hull mounted lascannon
Leman Russ Battle Tank, hull mounted lascannon
Leman Russ Battle Tank, hull mounted lascannon
Squadron 2
Leman Russ Eradicator, hull mounted heavy bolter and heavy bolter sponsons
Leman Russ Eradicator, hull mounted heavy bolter and heavy bolter sponsons
Leman Russ Exterminator, hull mounted heavy bolter and heavy bolter sponsons
Or should these have some plasma cannons for extra heavy infantry stopping power?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 16:08:50
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Dakka Veteran
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Lord Corellia wrote:So I have 6 Leman Russes, 5 of which I bought second hand. I've removed the sponsons from some of the Battlecannon models but they all have hull-mounted lascannons that are pretty well glued in there. The only non-standard one I have is an Eradicator. This is kind of what I was thinking:
Squadron 1
Leman Russ Battle Tank, hull mounted lascannon
Leman Russ Battle Tank, hull mounted lascannon
Leman Russ Battle Tank, hull mounted lascannon
Squadron 2
Leman Russ Eradicator, hull mounted heavy bolter and heavy bolter sponsons
Leman Russ Eradicator, hull mounted heavy bolter and heavy bolter sponsons
Leman Russ Exterminator, hull mounted heavy bolter and heavy bolter sponsons
Or should these have some plasma cannons for extra heavy infantry stopping power?
What's glued in, try to remove, without destroying the model. If that's not possible, try to proxy. LRBT by itself is sub-optimal, lascannons make that even worse.
What you didn't bought second hand, magnetize (or sponson weapons will hold themselves nicely without a magnet). If you have 3 LR kits, you have a lot of options for both main guns ( BC, Vanquisher, eradicator, exterminator), and sponsons (all of them). Try to buy 2 boxes of LR demolishers for Punisher and executioner guns.
LRBTs would be best with HB hull weapons (as every point spent is a waste). Eradicator with all HBs are fine, for exterminator I'd add a lascannon, not sure about the sponsons, nothing synergises too well with the auto cannons.
The problem with Leman Russes that they aren't that great unless they are Paskishers. Eradicator is fine, Executioner (plasma) too, the others are either bit expensive, or you can't put sponson weapons on them that go well with the main gun.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 16:31:27
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Oh how I dream of being able to mount a hull autocannon and sponson autocannons to an Exterminator...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/04/30 23:11:18
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Dakka Veteran
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ultimentra wrote:Oh how I dream of being able to mount a hull autocannon and sponson autocannons to an Exterminator...
And lascannons all around the Vanquisher...
It'd be nice to have all heavy weapons available to IG for sponsons/hull slot. Even the multilaser.
LR needs some way to re-roll to hits, and it'd be a fine tank. Maybe co-ax heavy stubbers. LRBT with coax stubbers may be a viable choice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 18:24:05
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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One can dream that we will obtain the goodies of the ABG list in our Codex. Till then LRBT are sub optimal.
I still have the first tank i painted in the gory days of the 4e codex. A demolisher with the works: hull LC, sponson PC, extra armor, pintle H. Stubber. It clocks at about 245 pts. It Hasn't seen play since we lost Lumbering Behemoth. Ordnance Russes get a H. Flamer for when it's too close to fire the main gun.
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You shouldn't be worried about the one bullet with your name on it, Boldric. You should be worried about the ones labelled "to whom it may concern"-from Blackadder goes Forth!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 20:04:08
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I keep sponsons off most of mine except the weight of fire ones, like the Exterminator. The Vanquisher ought not to get too close, and ordnance makes the Demolisher snapfire.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 20:55:29
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Hellacious Havoc
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Since no one has pointed it out. If you are going to field a LRBT; it is worth the points to add a hvy stubber. Not that it gives you any extra firepower, but it changes a Weapon Destroyed result from a 1/2 chance of it being the battle cannon, to a 1/3 chance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/02 23:26:04
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Dakka Veteran
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SpookyRuben wrote:Since no one has pointed it out. If you are going to field a LRBT; it is worth the points to add a hvy stubber. Not that it gives you any extra firepower, but it changes a Weapon Destroyed result from a 1/2 chance of it being the battle cannon, to a 1/3 chance.
Weapon destroyed is pretty rare. You need a penetrating hit, then you have 1/6 chance for a weapon destroyed, then half chance to be the BC. That's pretty slim. 5 points doesn't seem much by itself (though it's still a flamer), but it can add up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 01:20:42
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Hellacious Havoc
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Zsolt wrote:SpookyRuben wrote:Since no one has pointed it out. If you are going to field a LRBT; it is worth the points to add a hvy stubber. Not that it gives you any extra firepower, but it changes a Weapon Destroyed result from a 1/2 chance of it being the battle cannon, to a 1/3 chance.
Weapon destroyed is pretty rare. You need a penetrating hit, then you have 1/6 chance for a weapon destroyed, then half chance to be the BC. That's pretty slim. 5 points doesn't seem much by itself (though it's still a flamer), but it can add up.
You are correct, it is a slim possibility. I guess it really comes down to playing the odds. A lot of vehicle war-gear falls into that category; stretching the odds.
It's a form of insurance; that adds about 3% to the total cost of the tank, which really is a small premium to pay. And adds an extra 3 shots at good range against infantry. To me it's totally worth it.
A LRBT with no Battle Cannon =
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 06:09:55
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Judging from the rumors... wait until June 13
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 08:52:39
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Dakka Veteran
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SpookyRuben wrote:Zsolt wrote:SpookyRuben wrote:Since no one has pointed it out. If you are going to field a LRBT; it is worth the points to add a hvy stubber. Not that it gives you any extra firepower, but it changes a Weapon Destroyed result from a 1/2 chance of it being the battle cannon, to a 1/3 chance.
Weapon destroyed is pretty rare. You need a penetrating hit, then you have 1/6 chance for a weapon destroyed, then half chance to be the BC. That's pretty slim. 5 points doesn't seem much by itself (though it's still a flamer), but it can add up.
You are correct, it is a slim possibility. I guess it really comes down to playing the odds. A lot of vehicle war-gear falls into that category; stretching the odds.
It's a form of insurance; that adds about 3% to the total cost of the tank, which really is a small premium to pay. And adds an extra 3 shots at good range against infantry. To me it's totally worth it.
A LRBT with no Battle Cannon =
It doesn't add much firepower, it's still firing snap shots. It's totally your choice, I'm just saying weapon destroyed on BC is so rare it doesn't worth it to have protection against it. You just have more real threats and issues to deal with. Automatically Appended Next Post:
What rumors? Wait for what?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 09:03:41
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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Hey, Talys you can't just say that and leave! Give us treadheads a link man, anything.....
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/05/03 09:04:10
You shouldn't be worried about the one bullet with your name on it, Boldric. You should be worried about the ones labelled "to whom it may concern"-from Blackadder goes Forth!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 09:48:01
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator
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I think he's talking about the Space Marine ones... though, I don't know how this is relevant to this thread.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 10:10:29
Subject: Re:Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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You shouldn't be worried about the one bullet with your name on it, Boldric. You should be worried about the ones labelled "to whom it may concern"-from Blackadder goes Forth!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 10:51:40
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Missionary On A Mission
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I like the Eradicator. It's the cheapest Russ barebones, and even adding the Heavy Bolter Sponsons its' still cheaper than a Battle Tank.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 12:06:36
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Andy Hoare
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I use mine with BC/Lascannon. While overpriced, a BC shot is still powerful artillery and a Lascannon is situationally useful.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 12:26:52
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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A Hull H. flamer is situationally usefull and retains full effectiveness when it's unwise to shoot the BC. It is also cheaper.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/05/03 12:27:07
You shouldn't be worried about the one bullet with your name on it, Boldric. You should be worried about the ones labelled "to whom it may concern"-from Blackadder goes Forth!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 13:05:55
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Dakka Veteran
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konst80hummel wrote:A Hull H. flamer is situationally usefull and retains full effectiveness when it's unwise to shoot the BC. It is also cheaper.
Nothing says "feth you!" better than a BC shot at point blank range.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 13:57:05
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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No, feth you is exploding a Nightscythe with a Vanquisher cannon at 60" while snapshooting.
A BC shot at point blank is more like "stercum, stercum, stercum, moribundi sum".
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You shouldn't be worried about the one bullet with your name on it, Boldric. You should be worried about the ones labelled "to whom it may concern"-from Blackadder goes Forth!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 17:05:53
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Dakka Veteran
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konst80hummel wrote:No, feth you is exploding a Nightscythe with a Vanquisher cannon at 60" while snapshooting.
That's pure luck, while what I said is intentional, disregarding the results.
A BC shot at point blank is more like "stercum, stercum, stercum, moribundi sum".
Sorry, but google search disagrees with your latin.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/03 21:55:11
Subject: Re:Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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Wereas shooting a gun that can scatter on top of you and has a good chance to clip a hull point (and in earlier editions do all kinds of bad things to you) is a valid tactic? I firmly beleive that a tank that fires a BC ( or for that effect a Demolisher Cannon) at point blank is courting destruction. A possible exception involves Demolishers and Wraiths/TECs because the HF won't even cause them to sweat.
A HF lets you shoot at infantry that threatens to charge your tanks and that is a good thing. It can also be used after you tank shock them with the Russ or with Chimeras.
Zsolt wrote
Sorry, but google search disagrees with your latin.
Funnilly google translate provides the phrase "o excrement i am about to die" and my faith in Terry Pratchett's english is restored
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You shouldn't be worried about the one bullet with your name on it, Boldric. You should be worried about the ones labelled "to whom it may concern"-from Blackadder goes Forth!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/04 01:11:25
Subject: Re:Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Douglas Bader
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konst80hummel wrote:Wereas shooting a gun that can scatter on top of you and has a good chance to clip a hull point (and in earlier editions do all kinds of bad things to you) is a valid tactic?
Yep. The chance of scattering far enough and in the right direction to hit the tank is fairly low, and even if it does hit itself it's far from guaranteed to do any damage. Plus, you're IG, everything is expendable. If you hesitate to shoot a weapon because it might kill your own models then you're playing the wrong army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/04 12:38:02
Subject: Re:Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Dakka Veteran
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Peregrine wrote:konst80hummel wrote:Wereas shooting a gun that can scatter on top of you and has a good chance to clip a hull point (and in earlier editions do all kinds of bad things to you) is a valid tactic?
Yep. The chance of scattering far enough and in the right direction to hit the tank is fairly low, and even if it does hit itself it's far from guaranteed to do any damage. Plus, you're IG, everything is expendable. If you hesitate to shoot a weapon because it might kill your own models then you're playing the wrong army.
I wonder if you shoot yourself, on what armor do you hit. for main cannon/hull weapon likely front, sponsons maybe side?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/04 16:10:24
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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Invariably the armor facing that is pointed to thing you shot.
And the men are expendable the tanks are not!!
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You shouldn't be worried about the one bullet with your name on it, Boldric. You should be worried about the ones labelled "to whom it may concern"-from Blackadder goes Forth!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/04 17:18:04
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Dakka Veteran
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konst80hummel wrote:Invariably the armor facing that is pointed to thing you shot.
And the men are expendable the tanks are not!!
The shot is coming from you, not from your target.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/05 21:14:19
Subject: Leman Russ Battle Tank loadouts?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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Well it could be argued that it is coming from the intended target point.
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You shouldn't be worried about the one bullet with your name on it, Boldric. You should be worried about the ones labelled "to whom it may concern"-from Blackadder goes Forth!
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