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Excellent. We need the spectrum of candidates. And now the only avowed socialist in America, the Yankee Stallion.... Bernie...Saaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnndeeerrrrrrrrs
Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont is running for president, he said Wednesday night. He will be challenging Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination, and the self-described "Democratic Socialist" will keep the pressure on Clinton to move to the left.
Sanders has lamented for a long time over what he thinks has been woefully missing from the national conversation.
"We don't talk about the real issues facing the American people. We don't talk about it. We talk about Hillary's hairdo," Sanders said over a lunch of fried eggs and rye toast at Henry's Diner in Burlington, Vt., last summer. "Or my hairdo!"
This frizzy-haired, 73-year-old Brooklyn native is the only member of Congress who calls himself a Socialist. For months, he's flirted with a possible presidential bid, saying he'd jump in only if no other candidate could force the conversation he thinks Americans need to have about income inequality.
Sanders is running for the Democratic nomination, but he's never identified as a Democrat. Because he says that party isn't doing enough to come up with real solutions for the middle class.
"It's not just that the middle class is collapsing, and that we have more people living in poverty than any time in America's history," Sanders told NPR during the interview at Henry's Diner. "What you're also seeing is that the people on top doing phenomenally well."
Close friends say Sanders has been hammering home the same refrain for decades.
"You know the interesting thing about Bernie is that he's been saying the same thing for 35 years," said John Franco, a lawyer for the city of Burlington when Sanders was mayor of the city in the 1980s. "We used to call it the canned speech on the yellow legal pad. Because he'd get out the yellow legal pad, and he'd write it out and it'd be the same speech. The same speech — stump speech he gives now."
It's a stump speech about the gap between rich and poor, about reducing the power of corporate lobbyists, about government-run healthcare for everyone, about a national jobs program.
A Sanders campaign could force Clinton, the only other declared Democrat in the race to this point, to answer tough questions from liberals in her party. That might pull her further to the left, but it might also help hone her campaign skills during the primaries.
For Sanders, though, the run for the presidency isn't ultimately about Clinton.
"He understands that there are — not just rights to health care, rights to education, rights to food — but that these are obligations people have for one another," said Richard Sugarman, who teaches philosophy of religion at University of Vermont, has been one of Sanders' closest friends for about 40 years. "This is something that he really believes, and this is very, very basic to him."
Sanders may be a long shot, but there's a long tradition of liberal populists who jump in for the long march to the Democratic nomination — just to give voice to the ideas that propel them.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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Why not have a neutral candidate? The founders were initially against party politics and the idea was to have congress as the main source of decision making, not the executive. That didn't turn out to well!
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
A true independent couldn't get on the ballot in many if not most states. Qualifications for getting on the ballot are...interesting.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: A true independent couldn't get on the ballot in many if not most states. Qualifications for getting on the ballot are...interesting.
Frazz, I was under the impression that as long as you were above a certain age, were free born American, and didn't have a criminal record, then that was all you needed to run for President. I thought any average Joe could throw their hat into the ring.
Now you're saying that there's a complicated procedure! What happened to American democracy?
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
BlaxicanX wrote: Am I the only one who gets kind of squeamish when dudes who are old enough to drop at any minute run for one of the most stressful jobs on the planet?
I almost feel like there should be an age limit to running fir the presidency. Like, 65 or something.
You are not. It's a fairly silly view, but a very common one as well.
Frazzled wrote: A true independent couldn't get on the ballot in many if not most states. Qualifications for getting on the ballot are...interesting.
Frazz, I was under the impression that as long as you were above a certain age, were free born American, and didn't have a criminal record, then that was all you needed to run for President. I thought any average Joe could throw their hat into the ring.
Now you're saying that there's a complicated procedure! What happened to American democracy?
One or both sides can throw legal hurdles in your way if they think you might splinter their vote. (Usually Green Party or Libertarians not running as Democrats or Republicans face this kind of treatment.)
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Frazzled wrote: A true independent couldn't get on the ballot in many if not most states. Qualifications for getting on the ballot are...interesting.
Frazz, I was under the impression that as long as you were above a certain age, were free born American, and didn't have a criminal record, then that was all you needed to run for President. I thought any average Joe could throw their hat into the ring.
Now you're saying that there's a complicated procedure! What happened to American democracy?
I know right.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
BlaxicanX wrote: Am I the only one who gets kind of squeamish when dudes who are old enough to drop at any minute run for one of the most stressful jobs on the planet?
I almost feel like there should be an age limit to running fir the presidency. Like, 65 or something.
You are not. It's a fairly silly view, but a very common one as well.
Frazzled wrote: A true independent couldn't get on the ballot in many if not most states. Qualifications for getting on the ballot are...interesting.
Frazz, I was under the impression that as long as you were above a certain age, were free born American, and didn't have a criminal record, then that was all you needed to run for President. I thought any average Joe could throw their hat into the ring.
Now you're saying that there's a complicated procedure! What happened to American democracy?
One or both sides can throw legal hurdles in your way if they think you might splinter their vote. (Usually Green Party or Libertarians not running as Democrats or Republicans face this kind of treatment.)
So, for example, if I were a billionaire, with the funds to finance my own campaign, and I wanted to run as an independent, and I met all the criteria, then legal challenges from the D's and R's would stop me?
That's not very democratic. The electorate should be the ultimate judge on this.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I don't care much for politics. They are not my thing.
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The independent Vermont senator railed against the political machine — blasting "ugly 30-second ads," billionaire big-money donors and other "soap opera aspects of modern campaigns" — in a press conference kicking off his candidacy outside the Capitol on Thursday.
"I think the American people are tired of that," Sanders said.
He said he is running to thwart trade deals like the 12-country Trans-Pacific Partnership and to overhaul business tax rules so corporations operating in the United States cannot shelter their money overseas.
"Their responsibilities are not to shift jobs to China, their responsibility is not to avoid paying federal taxes," he said.
Sanders first announced his run in an email to supporters and media sent just after midnight early Thursday morning.
"After a year of travel, discussion and dialogue, I have decided to be a candidate for the Democratic nomination for president," he wrote in the email, highlighting economic inequality, climate change and the Citizens United Supreme Court decisions as key issues spurring him to run.
Sanders first confirmed to the Associated Press in a story published Wednesday that he plans to run for the Democrats' 2016 presidential nomination.
"People should not underestimate me," Sanders told The Associated Press. "I've run outside of the two-party system, defeating Democrats and Republicans, taking on big-money candidates and, you know, I think the message that has resonated in Vermont is a message that can resonate all over this country."
Sanders caucuses with the Democrats in the Senate but is an unlikely candidate for the Democratic nomination, primarily because he has never been a registered member of the party and calls himself a "democratic socialist."
Yet many of his views fit with the Democratic left, a constituency in which Sanders has found a small yet devout following. Sanders and his top advisers hope that group of voters will propel his dark horse candidacy. Though Hillary Clinton is the dominant frontrunner, many in the progressive left of the party think she's too moderate and are clamoring for a different candidate to support.
For their part, the Democratic National Committee offered a measured welcome of Sanders to the 2016 race on Thursday.
"Sanders is well-recognized for his principled leadership and has consistently stood up for middle class families," DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz said in the statement. "Throughout his service in the U.S. House and Senate, Bernie Sanders has clearly demonstrated his commitment to the values we all share as members of the Democratic Party."
Sanders' campaign advisers said that while their candidate has announced his plans to run, he won't hold his first campaign rally until May. That event is expected to be in Vermont.
Here comes Bernie Sanders
Sanders is an outspoken critic of Wall Street banks and the outsized influence of money in politics and is a supporter of universal health care. He regularly talks about the need to rebuild the middle class and raise taxes on America's highest earners.
"At a time of massive wealth and income inequality, we need a progressive tax system in this country which is based on ability to pay," Sanders said last month in Washington. "It is not acceptable that a number of major profitable corporations have paid zero in federal income taxes in recent years, and that millionaire hedge fund managers often enjoy an effective tax rate which is lower than the truck drivers or nurses."
In interviews before his campaign announcement, Sanders said trade, income inequality and health care would be key tenants of his run. But despite having vocal liberal supporters on these issues, Sanders is a dark horse candidate and has acknowledged that his run will be uphill. A CNN/ORC poll in March found that Sanders has the support of only 3% of Democratic voters.
Born in Brooklyn, New York, Sanders moved to Vermont after graduating from the University of Chicago. His first successful run for office came in 1981 when he was elected Burlington's mayor by a mere 10 votes. He was elected as Vermont's at-large member of Congress in 1990 and jumped to the Senate in 2007. Sanders is the longest-serving independent in congressional history.
Sanders does not have the personality of a typical politician. He is sometimes gruff and blunt, dispensing with social niceties and usually getting right to the point. He has come to be known as much for his fly-away hair as his passionate speeches in the Senate -- and has bluntly lamented the way political journalism in the United States focuses on personality.
Sen. Sanders talks trade deals
"I think this is not about personality," Sanders told CNN earlier this year, raising his Vermonter-by-way-of-New York voice. "I am not a singer, I am not a dancer, I am not an entertainer."
He also starts with a small campaign infrastructure, largely the remnants of his past Senate runs, and is primarily being advised by Tad Devine, a Democratic political consultant who worked on the presidential campaign for Al Gore in 2000 and John Kerry in 2004. At an event this month in New Hampshire where Sanders leaned heavily into a presidential bid, the signs outside the house party touted his 2012 Senate re-election bid.
From the outset of his campaign, it appears money will be Sander's biggest issue. The senator has regularly conceded in the last month that he would not be able to raise near the money Clinton will bring in.
"To run a credible campaign in this day and age, you do need a whole lot of money," Sanders said. "Whether the magic number is $200 million, it is $150 million, it is a lot of money, but even with that, you would be enormously outspent by the Koch Brother candidates and the other candidates who will likely spend, in the final analysis, over $1 billion, if not two."
Despite being a champion for many on the left, Sanders has been somewhat left out in the cold by big liberal organizations like MoveOn.org and Democracy for America, who have spent the last few months unsuccessfully urging Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren to run for president.
"Obviously one would hope one would have as much support as possible from all walks of life," Sanders said on Tuesday when asked why he thinks those groups aren't rallying around him. "I am a great fan of Elizabeth and as for what people do and why they don't do it, I am not going to speculate."
Anna Galland, executive director of MoveOn.org Civic Action, even mentioned Warren in touting Sanders' jump into the race.
"MoveOn members welcome Sen. Bernie Sanders to the presidential race," said Galland. "The Democratic Party is made stronger by each additional voice who enters the race and commits to being a strong advocate for everyday, hardworking Americans and not just the wealthy few. That's why we and our allies continue to call on Sen. Elizabeth Warren to also bring her tireless advocacy for middle-class and working Americans to the race. Our country will be stronger if she runs."
Sanders enters a race that has so far been dominated by Clinton, the former secretary of state and Democrats' prohibitive favorite for the nomination. For most of 2015, Sanders has been reticent to attack Clinton, but he recently has issued statements calling on her to change her policy positions.
"We don't talk about the real issues facing the American people. We don't talk about it. We talk about Hillary's hairdo," Sanders said over a lunch of fried eggs and rye toast at Henry's Diner in Burlington, Vt., last summer. "Or my hairdo!"
Well, he just lost my vote. One can only eat eggs with proper Greek toast.
Also I just realized his brother is a UK politician.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
I can't imagine seeing myself ever voting for ANYONE named "Bernie" unless the competition was somehow worse than that name.
I should also note that I tend to vote for smaller state, county and city candidates based on their name alone and how cool or not cool it is if they are running for some position I can't be bothered to read up on or that won't have some actual impact on my everyday life.
"Why yes, yes I think I will vote for Max Llamathrust for the head of the State Parks Department."
"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
Maybe he can galvinize the "Anyone but Hilary " vote and actually be invited to some of the debates too.
I'm not sure I count, because I'm technically part of the 'Anyone but HIlary or Bush but especially Hilary' camp, but Bernie would have my vote in a heartbeat.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Unfortunately, what's probably going to happen is that the left leaning mainstream media is going to post a quote from him from back when he was, like, 20 years old, taken out of context, and use that to call him a monstrous person now, and the loyal viewers will consume self-righteous outrage until it's leaking out of every pore.
The right leaning mainstream media will continue their campaign of poorly photoshopping his face onto a cartoon devil, citing it as an actual photograph someone snapped in real life, and the loyal viewers will consume self-righteous outrage until it's leaking out of every pore.
If he makes it though, I'll be at the polls for the first time in over 10 years.
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I really hopes he get the nomination. This will be my first year voting in a presidential election, and otherwise it's probebly just going to be a write in. Unless the R candidate is GWB levels of bad.
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I read this as an invitation for a veteran Senator without much hope of now getting to become POTUS to run for he job because it would look bad if Hillary Clinton stood unopposed.
Clinton will become Democrat nominee because she has a political minority well to draw on. It's new, it's 'change' it's 'brave' and unequivocably different.
Clinton is the best chance of the Democrats retaining the Presidency because it ties directly into previous progressive leanings without having to earn them or do anything overly leftist.
Clinton will also very likely become the next President because the Republican party is still hamstrung by overly conservative wierdos. Though there is the off chance they might wake up.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Sanders won't win the nomination, we all know that, but he's got my vote, and I imagine some segment of the population, because why would I vote for GOP-Lite when there's an actual left-winger running?
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.