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I'm putting together a Noise Marine list, and TBH I'd rather have a Sorcerer with MoS than a Lord with MoS as my HQ. The fact that a Sorcerer with MoS or MoN wouldn't unlock Noise Marines or Plague Marines, respectively, as Troop choices always seemed wierd and arbitrary to me (also that a Lord with MoT wouldn't unlock 1K Sons).


If someone in your gaming group wanted to break the rules and have a MoS Sorcerer give his army the unlock for Noise Marines as troops, would you object? Is there a legit "OP-reason" or fluff issue as to why only Tzeencth Sorceres unlock an Elites troops choice?

If its not in the army book, its not in the book. Its like saying:
"I'm gonna use the old mob rule, but use the new rules for boys having stikkbombs"
Unbound is your friend people. Unbound.

I, personally, wouldn't object. But it would have to be at least a lvl 3 sorcerer.

 WarbossDakka wrote:
If its not in the army book, its not in the book. Its like saying:
"I'm gonna use the old mob rule, but use the new rules for boys having stikkbombs"
Unbound is your friend people. Unbound.

The gaming group I play with most regularly doesn't care if we bend the rules a little here and there, as long as its reasonable and not OP, but we also do not play Unbound, as a house rule, unless its helpful in making a scenario-based game (like all Flyers or seomthing like that). That's why I'm asking if there would be anything OP about doing this, because if there is, I won't do it, and if there's not, my friends likely wouldn't mind, and I can't think about anything OP about it personally.

This army list is intended for casual, and not tournament, play, and when playing PUGs at my FLGS, I never bring an illegal army.

Roknar wrote:
I, personally, wouldn't object. But it would have to be at least a lvl 3 sorcerer.

This seems like a reasonable idea.

I would love it if I can take a Sorcerer with Mark of Khorne and unlock Khorne Berserker as troops.

Unfortunately, Sorc can not take MoK... and even if he did, he would be Sindri who gets sacrificed for DA BLOOD GOD!

I'd object to it. You have three ways to take Noise Marines. As troops with a Lord, as Elites, and as Unbound units where slot doesn't matter. Pick one. I would not be good with a free ObjSec just handed out because your generic HQ has a Mark of Slannesh. Wouldn't say it's good with an Apostle either, or a Warpsmith. I also wouldn't let someone turn Cultists into Zombies with just a Nurgle Lord and not Necrosius or Typhus. These are special unlock 'taxes' that should be brought in for the additional benefits.

The Chaos book, no matter how bad it is, gives you many options for taking units as you like. Some sacrifices have to be made to do it just right, sure, but that's just how it works. I'd have no problem playing an Unbound list and you take all the non-ObjSec Noise Marines you like and no Troops at all.

Thats right! CSM is about all the hard mode even before the game begins!

Very well...I'll go the cheap Lord way.

Too bad Lucius isn't a little better for the points.